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  • @ ivconic

    Have to correct myself:


    Can give the Blisstool LTC64 v1 instead of 85 points out of 100
    "only" 75 because it uses a "becoming blurred" motion-circuit.

    We can see it here at this already posted video link
    (guess this is a Bulgarian metal-detectors club) :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zQfyX4nMH0

    On heavy mineralized ground such circuits (the Fisher 1266-X
    has the same big problems there) really lose alot of the depth!


    Experienced users will benefit from nonmotion-circuits including
    manual reset buttons at least 15 % more depth compared with
    those motion "ground-blurring-circuits" and have much better
    chances to detect metal object buried in highly mineralized ground!

    And the word "average" was wrong, I wanted to say "over-average".



    btw. The truth cannot be in the middle of anything because
    if so the fix- or angle-points would have to be "credible" or
    "true" and must be somewhere in "the middle" of their own.

    What persons think always is some kind of proposal:

    It could be an evil lie, it could be their personal conviction,
    their believe and it could be the 100 times proven truth!

    This is a world of survival, all kind of different motivations
    and the biggest problem of all: SELF-KNOWLEDGE !!!

    I am because I think that I am!
    René Descartes, french philosopher (latin: Cogito ergo sum)

    Or in other words: A person that doesn't understand itself
    cannot really clearly understand the rest of the whole world.

    And we have to be very careful in this world that mass-opinions
    not became the overall counting truth - because very often the
    egoistical motivations blurrs the true important quality away!



    @ slomobi

    The in the video used threshold 4 really is not high!

    If a persons only wants "High Fidelity metal detection"
    (you know HiFi from good music) the Blisstool may be
    not his choice but if he likes to filter out the "mountains"
    of erratic-noise to get most deep targets for a very good
    price this is the choice Nr. 1!


    > am very good friend of the owner of the company that makes Golden Mask - Vladimir Lilov, even more, 15 years ago I was a partner with Lilov in the manufacture of metal detectors,


    It is really correct that you give us/me this info so we know you
    are also an experienced person.

    And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against you, I even
    have the bulgarian flag in my living-room and one of the
    biggest bulgarian music collections of whole Middle-Europe
    (BG DJ asked me already to copy for him my HQ Music clips)
    but we have to work scientifcally to get most realistic results!

    Your point of view is different, the Blisstool is not your favorite
    choice, we know this already, but you should not spread your
    personal disagreements with Ahmed including his personal
    problems and manufacturing methods by creating an
    impression that the technical abilities of the Blisstool LTC64
    is worth "nothing" or much less than we have tested already.

    You may have a hard competition situation in Bulgaria
    and the produced detectors from Notsi, Deep Tech, Detech,
    Golden Mask and Mikron (also look here: BG MD inet shop)
    http://mdetectors.com
    have not so much differences in depth and power.

    However: What counts, too, is the overall package and
    if Ahmed is successful to create high depth, production and
    warranty standards so he is able to work worldwide you
    should respect this and not try do destroy his good work.

    The LTC64 at least reaches alot attention and let flow good
    money from foreign countries to BG. Why a person should
    "waste" more than 5.000 dollars or 10.000 leva for a
    Minelab GPX 5000 if he can reach the almost same depth
    with a 10th of this amount?

    I give you a very good tip, slomobi:

    In live always better fight for the good things you wanna
    achieve or you are representing instead fighting the "bad"
    you think others do. Save yourself, my friend, everything
    else just will make yourself enemys and doesn't get you
    any further.

    Convince other people what you are thinking is the better.



    Oh - and concerning the plastic of the Blisstool searchcoils
    mentioned already here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5d0Fa4WRq0

    This is GOOD, bendable gum plastic, not bad!
    Especially if you are hitting rocks with the search coil
    and if temperatures are low.

    The bad thing is the filling stuff that is not tough enough.

    BUT: there exists high-tec synthetic plastic already like
    used for the Jeohunter coils that is much tougher!
    It has a consistance like extremly hard wax - it won't
    break and is still flexible enough.

    At least Blisstool should provide an additional lightweight
    coil-cover for protection, because to get the hand on such
    hitec compound material may be not that easy.

    slomobi, what do you think about that the big chief of this forum,
    Carl, now has ordered the Blisstool LTC64x v3? Too bad, huh?

    He is a fair person that even fights all those fraudulent LRLs!
    You and we all will be confronted with his tests and his
    opinion, and believe me, he will be not happy with your
    activity. At least you must provide technical proofs instead
    of personal accusations against Ahmed. Let him live!
    Live and let live! You must find a better solution to solve
    your own problems you have with Blisstool than discredit this
    over-average good detector for a very good price.

    Help us with the knowledge you have with metal-detectors
    and stop this useless Blisstool down-making if you want
    to earn respect and credibility. I / we will like this much better.
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    • Originally posted by Funfinder View Post

      The LTC64 at least reaches alot attention and let flow good
      money from foreign countries to BG. Why a person should
      "waste" more than 5.000 dollars or 10.000 leva for a
      Minelab GPX 5000 if he can reach the almost same depth
      with a 10th of this amount?
      What will be the next in the chain of your lunatic statements?

      It is not known that one ever is testing LTC64 on gold nuggets and you compare here dedicated, proven, professional factored and best existed tiny gold nuggets detector with "after Fisher 1266 DIY creation", which, according your own words, cannot manage heavy mineralised ground. Practically all gold grounds are heavy mineralised. So?

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      • Originally posted by WM6 View Post
        What will be the next in the chain of your lunatic statements?

        It is not known that one ever is testing LTC64 on gold nuggets and you compare here dedicated, proven, professional factored and best existed tiny gold nuggets detector with "after Fisher 1266 DIY creation", which, according your own words, cannot manage heavy mineralised ground. Practically all gold grounds are heavy mineralised. So?
        Minelab GP and GPX series are top of the tops, especially considering nugget shooting.
        Although i tested GP3000 on other items too - beast!
        Main advantage at those is perfect stabillity and complete immunity on bad soil conditions.
        Not to mention that masking is not possible at GP and GPX series.
        Depths! Wow! Deepest i ever seen on smallest coloured items! Especially gold ones.
        So; there should not be any doubts nor debate about GP&GPX's top ranking.
        Still i prefer Deus, Deus is my machine of all times. Yet GP&GPX (especially latest GPX) are significantly deeper than Deus on smallest golden items.
        So... GPX RULES!
        That's why it is looking pretty pointless to compare any other machine with GPX, when small golden items are testing subject.
        GP&GPX machines worth every cent invested.
        I don't like them only for one reason; to robust and uncomfort to work with them.
        To many cables, wires, belts, heavy accu's... on my terrains i can not move that easy like i do with tiny Deus.

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        • Originally posted by ivconic View Post

          I don't like them only for one reason; to robust and uncomfort to work with them.
          To many cables, wires, belts, heavy accu's... on my terrains i can not move that easy like i do with tiny Deus.
          Too heavy detector is something I really do not like.

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          • You can give it to me

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            • Originally posted by Davor View Post

              You can give it to me
              Lucky you, you have dealt with weight lifting already as a baby.

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              • Such a baby wouldn't notice any difference
                (orig. "ne zna dijete što je 50 kila")

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                • Originally posted by ivconic View Post
                  Minelab GP and GPX series are top of the tops, especially considering nugget shooting.
                  Although i tested GP3000 on other items too - beast!
                  Main advantage at those is perfect stabillity and complete immunity on bad soil conditions.
                  Not to mention that masking is not possible at GP and GPX series.
                  Depths! Wow! Deepest i ever seen on smallest coloured items! Especially gold ones.
                  So; there should not be any doubts nor debate about GP&GPX's top ranking.
                  Still i prefer Deus, Deus is my machine of all times. Yet GP&GPX (especially latest GPX) are significantly deeper than Deus on smallest golden items.
                  So... GPX RULES!
                  That's why it is looking pretty pointless to compare any other machine with GPX, when small golden items are testing subject.
                  GP&GPX machines worth every cent invested.
                  I don't like them only for one reason; to robust and uncomfort to work with them.
                  To many cables, wires, belts, heavy accu's... on my terrains i can not move that easy like i do with tiny Deus.
                  Hi ivconic!

                  Yeah, let's got to Down Under and dig some Bonanzas.
                  Money is no object as long as we find enough of them -
                  even not for those 2500-6000 bucks for the Minelab.

                  But perhaps a well self made PI that costs just a small
                  part of this price would compares really good? Who knows?

                  And not everywhere are those tiny gold-nuggets on the floor.

                  The Minelab is wrong designed, too - far too heavy for
                  usual long search sessions! Thoses treasure hunters I saw
                  two weeks ago have been looking equiped like special
                  forces or army soldiers. What's so complicated to make
                  coils and holder as lightweight as possible and unite the
                  rest in a uncomplicated hang around the neck unit? Nothing!

                  No disturbing bell trailers incl. cables and all this stuff.


                  btw. I have had a very good idea to get almost 100% out
                  of the gold-sand etc. containing gravel all those miners in
                  Canada or Alaska are washing. Too bad evil persons like
                  WM6 are here in this forum so I can't tell anyone how
                  this totally new invention works.

                  But I could get amazingly rich in a very fast time with it.

                  Anyway, those gold-washing drums and gutters incl. grids
                  and carpets are horrible ineficient! The most of the gold
                  gets washed away over it.



                  And almost last but not least a little excursion how to work
                  scientifical - for our never want to learn it opinion-spamers:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical
                  Empirical data are data produced by an observation or experiment.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_deduction

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

                  The first link is most important (and short to read) because any
                  theoretical conclusion must be verified first - in our case:
                  real good tested metal detectors!

                  And persons that don't have a certain MD simply can't do that !!!
                  Sometimes opinions are OK but sometimes opinions, suspects
                  and speculations are no basis at all!

                  Read this:
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

                  Because sometimes/often logical correct conclusions are true but
                  appear as implausible and sometimes/often the vice versa happens!


                  That's why it is absolutly great that Carl has ordered the
                  Blisstool and that he has very good experience with MD observations
                  or experiments! holyuser, WM6 and slomoby, ivconic and mikipn -
                  let's see how you like Carls "empirical data" if you won't
                  believe jamin360, me, MLR, target, barryny and the others!

                  Is pentecost whit monday in the States a free holi-day like
                  in many european countries? If so he may get his Bliss today
                  on tuesday if he hasn't received it already on saturday and is
                  busy with intensive testing. Now it's just a matter of short time...

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                  • Originally posted by Funfinder View Post

                    Too bad evil persons like WM6 are here in this forum so I can't tell anyone how
                    this totally new invention works.

                    .
                    What a pity, you will remain undiscovered talent.

                    On other side, all gold of the world belong to your "totally new invention".

                    Is this "totally new invention" about head mount - body rotary system?

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                    • Originally posted by WM6 View Post
                      Too heavy detector is something I really do not like.
                      Too heavy? You've got to be kidding me right! Its not the weight of the detector that kills you, its the freakin holes that you have to dig. Use some nice light spoked Nugget finder or coilteck coils and you can swing a large coil all day. Of course you do need to use a bungy cord, but that is no big deal. The detector almost floats.

                      You guys that look for treasure would do really well finding missed targets. The only downside is the lack of discrimination. However in mild ground that you can use a vlf detector on easily, I think that the ML discriminator would work ok. I have been over many mullock heaps that have had people go over them with a ML and a DD using the discriminator, and I must say they have not missed much gold. I like to dig all, and my 2000 does not have a discriminator so I see what they have scratched at and left because the disc said it was junk and guess what, it was JUNK!

                      As far as building a suitable detector for Australian ground, sure it can be done but it is a hell of a lot of work to get it right.... And you need to have a real good understanding of hot ground, low noise ccts, cct layout etc. Certainly not a job for autorouter!

                      Cheers Mick

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                      • Originally posted by Mechanic View Post

                        Too heavy? You've got to be kidding me right! Its not the weight of the detector that kills you, its the freakin holes that you have to dig.
                        Mick, the only digging tool you need, is this electronic scoop with depth indication.
                        You loved the small holes then.

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                        • "....its the freakin holes that you have to dig..."

                          Hell.... you are right on that!
                          Funny thing human nature!
                          We all do tend to have deeper detectors and once we have it; than problem is in digging huge holes!
                          By this i put myself on first place! I am naturally very lazy.
                          Digging 30cm hole is huge effort for me. And i am not joking at all!
                          Lately with Deus i am forced to dig deeper holes than ever in the past!
                          Few weeks ago i dug 90cm hole! Damn, it was hard labour!
                          Don't know what to say nor to think any more.
                          Ehhhm; good old times with lot of finds under 20cm....
                          Rough times came!

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                              • It is clear that this is just another variation of Wave.
                                Watching all those video clips was so obvious that it is Wave, according to it's behavior.
                                Author decided to improve it by adding dozen trimmers and presets.
                                And yes, it is true; Wave is unfinished detector. Lacks of good discrimination and good stability.
                                So adding dozen trimmers and optimizing overall circuitry Wave could be made a bit better.
                                Yet, much away from any competitive quality to be compared with top notch machines like Explorer, Spectra, Deus and few others...

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