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Old 09-11-2007, 06:19 PM
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Default Mineoro PDC205 ,210 ..schematic need

Mineoro PDC205 veya PDC210 şema istiyorum ve nasıl Áalışıyor? PM
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Искам схема за Mineoro PDC205 ,PDC210 или стари модели. Mой ПМ е
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Old 09-24-2007, 01:15 PM
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:26 AM
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putrechigi Where Mineoro PDC schematics diagram?
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Me too... panzero@gmail.com

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Only a few hours to go and no bids yet -> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=015

Why don't you buy it, do some back-engineering, and post the schematics here for us all to enjoy?
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:59 PM
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Well they do say that the market decides the price.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=015
Such is the power of supply and demand...
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Old 09-28-2007, 04:39 AM
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Hmmmm.... I wonder...

Is the PDC-210 worth $500 USD used? What do you think?

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Old 09-28-2007, 03:37 PM
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Hmmmm.... I wonder...

Is the PDC-210 worth $500 USD used? What do you think?

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Depends what you mean by "worth".
The PDC-210 that was on eBay had zero bids. So the market is telling you it's worthless.
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Old 09-28-2007, 04:49 PM
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I might pay $500 for a PDC210, just to gut open. I paid a lot more for my FG80, which is why I'm reluctant to cut into it. Still waiting for the fiscal pain to subside.

The one on eBay only shows it is not worth $4500 (although an earlier one at $2000 failed to get a bid). If bidding were opened at $1, my guess is it would close at about $1000.

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Old 09-28-2007, 04:52 PM
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Depends what you mean by "worth".
The PDC-210 that was on eBay had zero bids. So the market is telling you it's worthless.
'market' will tell you anything if you're dumb enough to believe. Are you?

'market' once said credit in US economy was a joy. Then the rotten subprime crisis arrived and smashed all fools heads.
Keep trusting the market.
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:02 PM
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'market' will tell you anything if you're dumb enough to believe. Are you?

'market' once said credit in US economy was a joy. Then the rotten subprime crisis arrived and smashed all fools heads.
Keep trusting the market.
But if nobody place a bid there will be a reason... or not ?

Just we disagree on reason.

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Old 09-28-2007, 08:13 PM
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I might pay $500 for a PDC210, just to gut open. I paid a lot more for my FG80, which is why I'm reluctant to cut into it. Still waiting for the fiscal pain to subside.
It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.

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The one on eBay only shows it is not worth $4500 (although an earlier one at $2000 failed to get a bid). If bidding were opened at $1, my guess is it would close at about $1000.

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That's true, although it still shows that it's grossly overpriced. Especially for something that doesn't actually detect gold from a distance.
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:21 PM
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'market' will tell you anything if you're dumb enough to believe. Are you?

'market' once said credit in US economy was a joy. Then the rotten subprime crisis arrived and smashed all fools heads.
Keep trusting the market.
You are confusing 'market' with 'market forces'.
It is patently obvious that no-one was interested in the PDC-210. Carl may be correct that would have sold for around $1000 if the bidding had started at $1, but it would have been for curiosity value only.

At least one thing is certain - you are one of the most qualified people in the "dumb belief" area.
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Carl may be correct that would have sold for around $1000 if the bidding had started at $1, but it would have been for curiosity value only.
Maybe, but I came up with that price based on the "affordable gullibility" rule. That is, there are quite a few people who can afford to be gullible for about $1000. That's one reason why $1000 is a good selling price for LRLs. When you price an LRL at $5000, people look at it and say, "I'm gullible, but not THAT gullible." So $1000 is a reasonable rip-off, but $5000 looks like an unaffordable scam.

Interestingly, pricing an LRL too low will hurt ya, too. A $50 LRL will make people think you're a rube selling toys you made with kitchen garbage. It's just not a serious price. So even if you tape a calculator to a dowsing rod, jack the price up to a serious "affordable gullibility" level to optimize your sales, and your laughs.

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A very wise man once told me "it is worth what someone is willing to pay for it". What "it" is is irrelevant. Does this mean that if there are no bids, then it is worth zero?

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Old 09-29-2007, 05:41 AM
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I would say that if that $1000 were used to buy quick pick lotto tickets your odds of getting rich would be greater then buy a LRL and finding anything of value. Is it greed, gullibility or just stupidity that makes people believe in that "pot of gold" at the end of the rainbow?
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I would say that if that $1000 were used to buy quick pick lotto tickets your odds of getting rich would be greater then buy a LRL and finding anything of value. Is it greed, gullibility or just stupidity that makes people believe in that "pot of gold" at the end of the rainbow?
Hi,
problem are not pots of gold... that I showed in other threads there are in some places and found with conventional MDs... in UK this happens now quite often, or well ... we know that cause people declare to authorities the finds...

problem is that these LRLs cannot detect any gold (or anything but noise) at any distance.

If you live in ancient places or near there or even few centuries of history are under your feet you could find that things too.... but for sure not using one LRL.

Till someone prove us with real demonstration LRLs work... of course anybody that will buy one for the purpose of finding gold or whatever is a bit naive from my point of view... no offence to anyone, but I think so.

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Old 09-29-2007, 10:11 AM
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A very wise man once told me "it is worth what someone is willing to pay for it". What "it" is is irrelevant. Does this mean that if there are no bids, then it is worth zero?

Best wishes,
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This is what I was implying when there were zero bids, but Carl correctly pointed out that the starting bid was not $1, it was $4,500. In that case the first bidder would have needed to stump up four and a half big ones to start the ball rolling. However, it still shows that no-one was willing to pay the asking price.
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Old 09-29-2007, 10:25 AM
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http://cgi.ebay.it/Mineoro-PDC-210-L...QQcmdZViewItem


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here the video!!!
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Interesting video, what I found most interesting was the following.

Regardless of the distance the box was away from the camera(and microphone) the sound of the beep never varies in volume.

In one scene there is quite a bit of wind blowing the trees yet no wind noise in the microphone, just the unvarying volume of the beep.

If they fake their promotional videos you can bet your last dollar the product will be equally fake.

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Old 09-29-2007, 12:02 PM
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US$ 4,500 is about what I paid for mine at the time. If the owner on ebay is asking that, he knows it’s worth.
He claims to have found gold and needs to sell it to have bugdet for a recovery. Could he be lying? Sure he could, and this could be a marketing gimmick, specially coming from an american, the kings of capitalism…

But the PDC has a extensive list of sucesses troughout the time. Several and several treasures were found with it. There are sucessful owners from all parts of the world. In America, there’s Donald Dereck and Hank Carey. So what the owner on ebay claims is very normal to happen. I myself as a sucessful owner knows it for sure.
And don’t’s say the above persons don’t exist. They do , they have emails and a member here has even traded some messages with them.

You see, this is not what is important here. What is important is that this is one perfect expample of how this kind of discussions, since a long time ago, left the realms of simple success stories and cases of LRL owners, to become a pathological excursion in sick deviations.. Some people insist in attach hoaxes on everything related to this topic in a manner which has long left the doctors consulting rooms straight to resting facilities.

It takes more than one PDC to suceed in finding gold. Lots of hard work involved. Even if someone owns one and he’s an ‘armchair researcher’ he’s destined to failure. And the majority of people here falls in this category. Am I lying? Be honest. How many of you regularly go out in the field?
I’m not talking about skeptics as those specimens have never got out from their computer monitors.

Carl Moreland is a case apart. By now, he has lost all credibility towards me. I must admit it never was that much tough. When he first got his FG, I stood back just to watch what he would do and what his intentions would be. I knew that he had in hands a device which I was totally familiar with and that could find gold. But I had this stong impression he had just purchased the device to have the ‘alibi’ of using it just for his personal agenda and real intentions.
Well, I was 100% right.
I gave him all attention, providing instructions and telling him all the time TO GO OUT IN THE FIELD to test it with people who used other LRLs and knew where gold was. He would see the device working. But then what would this mean? That he had to revise all of his long time agenda of skeptcism about LRLs. So what he did instead? Kept twisting facts of not being able to detect fresh gold and blah, blah blah, despite of being told by me that special conditions were required for this to happen and I agreed this was a little exagerated in the advertising. I told him every time to go out in the field for a real test as the best ionic and electrostatic conditions are met for long time buried gold.
But I knew what his agenda was. He did with me exactly what he did many times before in the very same situations, such as when he used similar tricks to back out from Kelly Brown’s challenge. So his line of thought’ was, if the ‘administrator’ of this forum claimed the device did not work, this was more than enough to have credibility. Going out in the field in a real research was ‘just a detail’.
Poor Carl, he owns a ton of regular MDs and pratically all LRLs available and despite of that all he claims to have is a gold bar which he probably purchased?
I admit he has a good contribution tough keeping the remote sensing subject active here for discussion, although this being clearly skeptic oriented.

It’s notorious he always had and will always have an agenda towards this subject. Only a naÔve will remain ignoring it. Carl will keep doing this till the day he dies expecting promotion, so let’s stop hypocrisy here. 'Supposed credibility' in this forum towards me is not that important as I trully know my achievements, but for him it’s very important. It’s imperial for his surviving.
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Old 09-29-2007, 12:33 PM
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US$ 4,500 is about what I paid for mine at the time. If the owner on ebay is asking that, he knows itís worth.
He claims to have found gold and needs to sell it to have bugdet for a recovery. Could he be lying? Sure he could, and this could be a marketing gimmick, specially coming from an american, the kings of capitalismÖ

But the PDC has a extensive list of sucesses troughout the time. Several and several treasures were found with it. There are sucessful owners from all parts of the world. In America, thereís Donald Dereck and Hank Carey. So what the owner on ebay claims is very normal to happen. I myself as a sucessful owner knows it for sure.
And donítís say the above persons donít exist. They do , they have emails and a member here has even traded some messages with them.

You see, this is not what is important here. What is important is that this is one perfect expample of how this kind of discussions, since a long time ago, left the realms of simple success stories and cases of LRL owners, to become a pathological excursion in sick deviations.. Some people insist in attach hoaxes on everything related to this topic in a manner which has long left the doctors consulting rooms straight to resting facilities.

It takes more than one PDC to suceed in finding gold. Lots of hard work involved. Even if someone owns one and heís an Ďarmchair researcherí heís destined to failure. And the majority of people here falls in this category. Am I lying? Be honest. How many of you regularly go out in the field?
Iím not talking about skeptics as those specimens have never got out from their computer monitors.

Carl Moreland is a case apart. By now, he has lost all credibility towards me. I must admit it never was that much tough. When he first got his FG, I stood back just to watch what he would do and what his intentions would be. I knew that he had in hands a device which I was totally familiar with and that could find gold. But I had this stong impression he had just purchased the device to have the Ďalibií of using it just for his personal agenda and real intentions.
Well, I was 100% right.
I gave him all attention, providing instructions and telling him all the time TO GO OUT IN THE FIELD to test it with people who used other LRLs and knew where gold was. He would see the device working. But then what would this mean? That he had to revise all of his long time agenda of skeptcism about LRLs. So what he did instead? Kept twisting facts of not being able to detect fresh gold and blah, blah blah, despite of being told by me that special conditions were required for this to happen and I agreed this was a little exagerated in the advertising. I told him every time to go out in the field for a real test as the best ionic and electrostatic conditions are met for long time buried gold.
But I knew what his agenda was. He did with me exactly what he did many times before in the very same situations, such as when he used similar tricks to back out from Kelly Brownís challenge. So his line of thoughtí was, if the Ďadministratorí of this forum claimed the device did not work, this was more than enough to have credibility. Going out in the field in a real research was Ďjust a detailí.
Poor Carl, he owns a ton of regular MDs and pratically all LRLs available and despite of that all he claims to have is a gold bar which he probably purchased?
I admit he has a good contribution tough keeping the remote sensing subject active here for discussion, although this being clearly skeptic oriented.

Itís notorious he always had and will always have an agenda towards this subject. Only a naÔve will remain ignoring it. Carl will keep doing this till the day he dies expecting promotion, so letís stop hypocrisy here. 'Supposed credibility' in this forum towards me is not that important as I trully know my achievements, but for him itís very important. Itís imperial for his surviving.
Hi,
I went out this morning for a short 3hours TH session... just few drive... then I stopped my car and start searching with my BandidoII-clone and found 3 nice items in less than 2 hours...just walking and sweeping... nothing more!

Found a total of 17items but just 3 of interest...other stuff was trash... brass stuff etc

Problem with your LRLs is that you can't switch it on and be sure of what happens next... I mean that they sound with noise or even at random!

So where the usefulness of LRLs ? I cannot see any.

When my MD sound I dig stuff... but when zahori or other pistol sound I cannot understand why most of the times... if not under a powerline.

How can I find treasures with a thing that beeps at random ?

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I gave him all attention, providing instructions and telling him all the time TO GO OUT IN THE FIELD to test it with people who used other LRLs and knew where gold was.
Hahahahahaaaa nice try... We all know there is nobody on earth willing to demonstrate a LRL working. Even the local Mineoro dealer failed to answer any of my emails inquiring about the FG series. I read the reports about the Mineoro factory refusing to answer emails from disappointed customers. Your instructions are bogus. I have had an open invitation to test a LRL for free, and I see nobody on earth is willing demonstrate their LRL working and receive a free professional web page with videos showing the LRL working. Also free forum posts linking to the free professional web page. Nobody on earth is willing to show their LRL work. Not hung, not Alonso, not the local Mineoro dealer, not anybody on earth.

Hahahaahahahahaha what a bunch of bogus BS.



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By now, he has lost all credibility towards me. I must admit it never was that much tough.
I misexpressed myself above and the sentence ended up with a completely different meaning.
The correct is:

" By now, he has lost all credibility I had for him, and this credibility was never that much tough.' (sic)

This is what I meant.
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Hahahahahaaaa nice try... We all know there is nobody on earth willing to demonstrate a LRL working. Even the local Mineoro dealer failed to answer any of my emails inquiring about the FG series. I read the reports about the Mineoro factory refusing to answer emails from disappointed customers. Your instructions are bogus. I have had an open invitation to test a LRL for free, and I see nobody on earth is willing demonstrate their LRL working and receive a free professional web page with videos showing the LRL working. Also free forum posts linking to the free professional web page. Nobody on earth is willing to show their LRL work. Not hung, not Alonso, not the local Mineoro dealer, not anybody on earth.

Hahahaahahahahaha what a bunch of bogus BS.



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JP,
I sent you an email some weeks ago, covering the subject you coment above. I hope you have received it because it would end all the discussions regarding this topic.
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How are you doing with your detector you are making?
Did you get it to work with diamonds yet.
Will it pick up small gold rings
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