Need LRL Schematic

[J_Player]

I have this small hand held stud sensor that will detect studs and other objects up to 3 inch distance. I would like to modify it to locate gold from a long distance. 50 feet would be nice, but I can live with 20 feet or maybe even 15.
Any modification must be kept within the plastic case of this stud sensor. I cannot mount large antennas and coils. The reason is because I must disguise the stud sensor to appear as a cell phone or other electronic thing that someone might carry in their pocket without drawing attention.

So I need a small long range locating circuit design that will fit inside. The existing electronics works by sensing capacitance changes due to coupling of nearby objects. But none of the existing electronics need to be used. Surface mount parts are ok if necessary, as long as all the parts fit inside the plastic case, including the battery. This may sound like a hard problem to solve, but here is your chance to finally get the recognition you deserve.

If you are a designer of exotic electronic circuits that perform beyond the realm of the well-understood methods, then ask yourself if you have experienced any of these things:

• Have your efforts been thwarted by a conspiracy of the scientific establishment?
• Did you discover ideas that Einstein was groping his way towards, yet your friends don't understand the significance?
• Were you cheated of the chance to be considered for a Nobel Prize because of misguided scientists with no imagination?
• Have you worked years perfecting a technology that was first introduced by an extraterrestial civilization?
• Do you have to work in a secret workshop so government agents don't come and steal your work?
• When your discoveries are demonstrated, will this cause present-day science to be seen for the sham it truly is?

If you can answer yes to 4 out of 6 of these questions, then now is your chance to show the scientific community what you can do. No more wishing the established scientists will take notice of your work, we can build it here at Geotech, and show the whole world what your design can do. They may complain about not understanding the circuitry, but when we bring home the treasure, well, money talks!

Please post your circuits here so we can decide which is best to convert my stud sensor to a pocket LRL.
(see below for stud sensor details).

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

I have this small hand held stud sensor that will detect studs and other objects up to 3 inch distance. I would like to modify it to locate gold from a long distance. 50 feet would be nice, but I can live with 20 feet or maybe even 15.
Any modification must be kept within the plastic case of this stud sensor. I cannot mount large antennas and coils. The reason is because I must disguise the stud sensor to appear as a cell phone or other electronic thing that someone might carry in their pocket without drawing attention.

So I need a small long range locating circuit design that will fit inside. The existing electronics works by sensing capacitance changes due to coupling of nearby objects. But none of the existing electronics need to be used. Surface mount parts are ok if necessary, as long as all the parts fit inside the plastic case, including the battery. This may sound like a hard problem to solve, but here is your chance to finally get the recognition you deserve.

If you are a designer of exotic electronic circuits that perform beyond the realm of the well-understood methods, then ask yourself if you have experienced any of these things:

• Have your efforts been thwarted by a conspiracy of the scientific establishment?
• Did you discover ideas that Einstein was groping his way towards, yet your friends don't understand the significance?
• Were you cheated of the chance to be considered for a Nobel Prize because of misguided scientists with no imagination?
• Have you worked years perfecting a technology that was first introduced by an extraterrestial civilization?
• Do you have to work in a secret workshop so government agents don't come and steal your work?
• When your discoveries are demonstrated, will this cause present-day science to be seen for the sham it truly is?

If you can answer yes to 4 out of 6 of these questions, then now is your chance to show the scientific community what you can do. No more wishing the established scientists will take notice of your work, we can build it here at Geotech, and show the whole world what your design can do. They may complain about not understanding the circuitry, but when we bring home the treasure, well, money talks!

Please post your circuits here so we can decide which is best to convert my stud sensor to a pocket LRL.
(see below for stud sensor details).

Best wishes,
J_P

Can I laugh at you now ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Esteban]

Can I laugh at you now ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

The last laugh is better.

[Max]

Can I laugh at you now ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

The last laugh is better.

Hi Esteban,
to make me stop laugh at you.... have to post some real and working schematic... not miniature of nothing ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Last laugh is always for you.

:razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

and I don't say you who wrote the pearls of below , you have to guess who is... :D

1meter in ground for a single coin isn't LRL ? :lol:

... lost in the time ! :razz:

[Max]

now take a look at Mineoro's PDC-210 SECRET CIRCUIT (potted one) and use a bit of imagination...

Can't you see anything similar ? :lol: Are you blind ?

Maybe you can't... but how many often you have to see OA89 germanium diodes today ??? :razz:

If not... use more imagination... and more ... till you'll get the big picture!
Be imaginative... not blind... :cool: and use googles.
(but you need to be maybe malicious too... really... )

Belive in the power of frequency ! :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

and I don't say you who wrote the pearls of below , you have to guess who is... :D

1meter in ground for a single coin isn't LRL ? :lol:

... lost in the time ! :razz:

And yes, I have now English version, and the same: 3 feets for an only coin in dry terrain. This NO MEAN I ACCEPT IT. Mean as I don't trust in translations, my intention was to see original version. No more.

[Esteban]

Here the text, sorry, I'm not the author. Why your unique argument is to lie?

[J_Player]

Interesting talk guys,

So where are the circuits that will fit in my stud sensor casing and find gold at 50 feet?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Here the text, sorry, I'm not the author. Why your unique argument is to lie?

Hi,
so you are the author of the post I've just reposted here as is! :lol:

So, in what I'm lying ?
Aren't you the author of that post ? :razz:

Have you tested the circuit ? What about depth for a single coin ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Because you wish to appear this as my assertion, and not. In the past I search for original English version, so a friend sent me and comprobe the same in Portuguese. This no mean that this capability is true, OK?

[Max]

Because you wish to appear this as my assertion, and not. In the past I search for original English version, so a friend sent me and comprobe the same in Portuguese. This no mean that this capability is true, OK?

So I'm not lying eh ? :lol:

I repeat the questions:

Have you tested it ? What about depth for a coin ?

[J_Player]

Have you tested it ? What about depth for a coin ?Stud sensor can locate a US nickel about 1 inch in air. Not very far. But it gives very good location of edges of coin.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Stud sensor can locate a US nickel about 1 inch in air. Not very far. But it gives very good location of edges of coin.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
yes I know...
questions are for Esteban... about that BFO schematic of the picture above.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

questions are for Esteban... about that BFO schematic of the picture above.I think maybe the bobina de busca shown above will not fit in the case for my stud sensor. You think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

I think maybe the bobina de busca shown above will not fit in the case for my stud sensor. You think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
I think that in original design it was something 18-19cm diameter... so I think not.

What's interesting is the claim of finding a single coin at 3feet underground.

Maybe the author was drunk ! :lol:

3inches is more realistic...

But let's ask Esteban about performances... I think he made it.

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

But let's ask Esteban about performances... I think he made it.

No yet. My real interest is good stability.

[Max]

But let's ask Esteban about performances... I think he made it.

No yet. My real interest is good stability.





Hi,
so you saw an article that say design can find a coin at 3feet underground... and you haven't tested it. :lol:
Just interested in stability... ok.

Let me guess... you have already LRL circuits that find a single coin at more distance. :razz:

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

BTW Esteban ...
what do you think there is in the SECRET CIRCUIT (potted) Mineoro's PDC-210 of above ? :rolleyes:

Have you a clue ? :lol:

Kind regards,
Max

[ban]

what is the diode ( oa89 )?

[Qiaozhi]

what is the diode ( oa89 )?
It's a germanium diode.

[Funfinder]

what frequency uses bfo usually (100kHz?) and isn't it possible nowadays with highspeed chips to stabilize that circuits and measure the "pulse" at some 1/100 of Hertz range?

[goldfinder]

After extensive research I found that a stun gun circuit would be ideal. Build the circuit, Stick the stun gun to your head and trigger it. The high voltage will give you a near death experience (hopefully not total death:lol:) and while out of the body you will be able to locate gold at any number of feet.:) Upon returning to the body from the NDE recover the gold.:D
Goldfinder

[Funfinder]

do you compensate some lrl frustration with jokes?
we have no working lrl but it's fun to discuss about it. huh? :D :nono:


what stud finder did you mean? (female) horses?
You have to be fast if you're too funny joking to bunnies ehm horses. :razz:

we could test your stun gun theorie in hospitals with almost dead persons or coma patients but what you're doing if these can't see through soil or can't remember the exact position afterwards?

btw. those so called oob out of body experiences is exactly the same like with lrls, there are no proofs and it could be just poison or wrong receptors in your brain! You see the white light or hear the gold coin but in reality the acid or electrons flow and creates it's own reality!

If an oobst (out of body soul theorem) could see through things the contrast factor would be crucial. such "energy-personality" could see through the whole earth and would be blinded by the sun even at night. Or it could see even through the sun. Perhaps it also could see all kind of different radio waves and radiation, cause what we see most of the time is just a reflection of light (a very small EM band). If you want to see through the ground this reflection must be heavily reduced or turned off.

The most important thing is the enjoyable disposition of your brain / personality / body.
Better being capable to feel happiness while having almost nothing than being suicidal or down while collecting huge anmounts of money or wealth. Read Thoreau where he describes his poor but satisfied life in the woods. Of course with Jeohunter, mp3 player and whiskey it's much more pleasureful there! :lol: :lol:

Perhaps the real treasure is the LRL experiments adventure and we're lucky beeing part of it as long as we haven't paid 10.000s of bucks. Especially thanks to our 2 very funny guys called WM6 and goldfinder here who warned us to buy LRLs and contribute the comedian part! :razz: :lol:


But back to the dry technical questions - any BFO goes hitec infos available?

[goldfinder]

Jeesh - No fun here razzing youall. You get too serious and can't take a joke.

I built the Gary PI detector and it would barely detect a 1 ounce coin at 3 ft in air. Never tried to bury a gold coin 3 ft deep. Too hard to dig here wi lots of rocks in soil and I'd be leery of loosing a $1500 coin.

So why are we discussing an old beat freq osc (BFO) detector here as a possible LRL?:nono:

I thought LRLs should be able to detect at much further distances than 3 feet.
Goldfinder:)

[Qiaozhi]

So why are we discussing an old beat freq osc (BFO) detector here as a possible LRL?:nono:

I thought LRLs should be able to detect at much further distances than 3 feet.
Goldfinder:)
You're obviously not up-to-date with the latest pseudo-science. ;)

[ban]

hi
will (1n34a) instead use (oa89) diode ?

[ban]

what use instead ( oa89 ) germanium diode ?

[Qiaozhi]

what use instead ( oa89 ) germanium diode ?
http://uk.farnell.com/microsemi/1n34a/diode-germanium/dp/1651088
http://uk.farnell.com/semelab/oa47/diode-germanium-do-7/dp/1208634
http://www.maplin.co.uk/signal-diodes-19076?ordercode=QH71N

[perzo]

HI all .How can the LRL of the metal non-metal found ?(On rotation)

[J_Player]

It has been 4 years since I posted asking for some help to find an LRL circuit that would fit inside the plastic stud-finder in my photos.
See here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13404&highlight=designer

I have received no schematics for circuits to put inside the plastic studfinder.
What should I think?
Are Geotech experimenters not capable of showing me a simple LRL circuit to fit inside my plastic enclosure that will find millions of dollars worth of treasure? :eek:

Best wishes,
J_P

[iron1944]

Mr. J Player

LRL Witness

Analysis on this circuit

Yours sincerely
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[Zocky-Zocky]

Hi iron1944!
A very interesting scheme!
Please tell us if you can answer these two questions::)
1st - How exactly is called a book in which this scheme was published, author of the book, year and place of publication, and
2nd - Can you put a full page 8 of Electrical parts list.
Thank you in advance!:)
Zocky-Zocky

[J_Player]

Mr. J Player
LRL Witness
Analysis on this circuit

Yours sincerely
Hi Iron,
Thank you for your circuit. Now I see a circuit that will fit inside my stud sensor. At least all except the handles and the antenna.

If you are looking for an analysis, It seems pretty simple.
Since R1 is 1 meg, it is looking at small signals.
The electronics are designed to detect slight variations in the resistance seen across the two handles.
But at these small signal levels, there may be other electronic events influencing what is sensed.

It appears that any sensitive amplifier matched to the handles could work as well, such as the modified zahori amplifiers, or the ivconic ion sensor amp.
But this one is configured as an oscillator which varies according to what is seen as a resistance at R1.
I am not sure exactly what advantage this has over a simple signal amplifier, but anyone who builds it will probably find out.

Looking closer at what the circuit is sensing, it is designed to sense the resistance that is seen through the hands of a person holding the two handles.
Electronically, anything placed inside the metal box would not be expected to influence the circuit.
I would think that if the antenna picked up a stray charge from the air, it could change the relative charge of the person holding the handles, depending on how well his shoes were insulated from the ground.
Maybe this charge from the air could have some influence on the circuit.
And if a charge imbalance developed between one hand and another while holding the handles, this could cause the oscillator to vary as well.
Also, moisture on the handles and the enclosure could have an influence if it provided a conductive path for current to leak from one handle to the other.

My guess is this circuit was originally designed to measure the resistance across a person's hands to show any resistance variations.
If this was the original intent of the circuit, it appears to have been modified to add an antenna and a metal box to hold a sample.

Does it find treasure?
I don't know.
I doubt it.
But testing it would tell.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

....Can you put a full page 8 of Electrical parts list.
Thank you in advance!:)
Zocky-Zocky

Page 8 parts are:
R1 1 meg 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R2 1 meg 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R3 3.3K 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R4 10K 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R5 10K Potentiometer
R6 100 ohm 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R7 100k 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R8 1 meg 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R9 1 meg 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R10 50k 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R11 390k 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R12 50 ohm 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R13 10k 5% 1/4 watt resistor
R14 50k Potentiometer
SW1 Double pole double throw slide switch

Best wishes,
J_P

[Zocky-Zocky]

J_Player!
Thank You very much for Page 8!
Regards!
Zocky-Zocky

[mesy64]

hi dear j-player
I want to make this circuit
Gold is a good place to find it?
To what depth and radius of the device can be used to find gold?

[J_Player]

hi dear j-player
I want to make this circuit
Gold is a good place to find it?
To what depth and radius of the device can be used to find gold?I believe this device cannot find any gold unless you touch the antanna onto the gold. Then you will hear a noise in the speaker to indicate that you located gold. I think the gold may make the same sound as when you touch the antenna to a piece of copper or lead.

For longer range without touching the antenna to the gold, I believe the maximum depth is about 2000 miles with radius of 4000 miles. I believe you will find gold with this device within the 4000 mile radius of any point located less than 2000 miles distance from where you are standing. Point the antenna any direction, then turn the control until it beeps. The beeping will indicate you located gold. Remember, you can also find this same gold detection without using any electronics. Simply point your finger any direction and you will find the same gold within 4000 mile radius from the spot you point to. You may point to any place, up to 2000 miles distance from where you are standing. You should find there is gold within a 4000 mile radius of that point about 99% of the time.

Best wishes,
J_P

[teknoloji]

Mr. J Player

LRL Witness

Analysis on this circuit

Yours sincerely
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I would like to try this LRL good, but the schema and documentation complete it and email e-mail address. im_pals@hotmail.com

Best wishes

[teknoloji]

for measurement of wet ground to search for used if no, unfortunately.

Good day

[Geo]

Hi Iron,
Thank you for your circuit. Now I see a circuit that will fit inside my stud sensor. At least all except the handles and the antenna.

If you are looking for an analysis, It seems pretty simple.
Since R1 is 1 meg, it is looking at small signals.
The electronics are designed to detect slight variations in the resistance seen across the two handles.
But at these small signal levels, there may be other electronic events influencing what is sensed.

It appears that any sensitive amplifier matched to the handles could work as well, such as the modified zahori amplifiers, or the ivconic ion sensor amp.
But this one is configured as an oscillator which varies according to what is seen as a resistance at R1.
I am not sure exactly what advantage this has over a simple signal amplifier, but anyone who builds it will probably find out.

Looking closer at what the circuit is sensing, it is designed to sense the resistance that is seen through the hands of a person holding the two handles.
Electronically, anything placed inside the metal box would not be expected to influence the circuit.
I would think that if the antenna picked up a stray charge from the air, it could change the relative charge of the person holding the handles, depending on how well his shoes were insulated from the ground.
Maybe this charge from the air could have some influence on the circuit.
And if a charge imbalance developed between one hand and another while holding the handles, this could cause the oscillator to vary as well.
Also, moisture on the handles and the enclosure could have an influence if it provided a conductive path for current to leak from one handle to the other.

My guess is this circuit was originally designed to measure the resistance across a person's hands to show any resistance variations.
If this was the original intent of the circuit, it appears to have been modified to add an antenna and a metal box to hold a sample.

Does it find treasure?
I don't know.
I doubt it.
But testing it would tell.

Best wishes,
J_P


Hi J_P.
Before years i constructed two similar devices who had the same operating principle, the measurement of the hands resistance. Results was not good so i believe that this schematic don't work.

Regards:)

[iron1944]

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DEAR J PLYER.
LRL is how this circuit.
Yours sincerely.

[teknoloji]

According to the diagram in my opinion,
Sending a pulse to generate electricity with a static ne555 mechanical shape. Gold itself does not produce static energy is not suitable for this project I think he kind of circuits we have seen, but they did not know the project, and I see that we have to do research on.

m sorry to google translate.

thank you

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.
Before years i constructed two similar devices who had the same operating principle, the measurement of the hands resistance. Results was not good so i believe that this schematic don't work.

Regards:)Hi Geo,

I believe you found this kind of circuit did not work for you.
But maybe you did not understand how to use it correctly.
I tried to explain the correct way to locate gold with this LRL in my post to mesy64, but maybe I did not explain very clearly.
So I try again:

I believe this device cannot find any gold unless you touch the antanna onto the gold that you are hunting for.
When you touch a piece of gold to the antenna, then you will hear a noise in the speaker to indicate that you located gold.
The sound you hear will be the sound of locating the gold you touched to the antenna.
I think the gold may make the same sound as when you touch the antenna to a piece of copper or lead to locate copper or lead.
I am very certain you will hear the sound of locating when you touch the target metal to the antenna.

For long range detection, it does not work the same way.
For long range, you cannot pinpoint.
You must point the LRL in the direction you want to search, then turn the pot R5 and R14 until you hear the sound.
This sound tells you you have located gold in that direction.
The gold is located somewhere between where you are standing and 2000 miles distance from you.
It may be located above the surface of the ground, or buried up to 2000 miles deep.
But it is there for certain, because the LRL made the sound, and the meter moved.
Because you cannot pinpoint it any closer than 2000 miles, you must dig many holes until you find it.
You may also need to dig off to the sides up to 2000 miles as well because of the poor pinpointing ability.
When you finally recover the gold, you can touch it against the antenna to hear the sound and to prove the LRL detected the gold a second time. :good

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Hi Geo,

I believe you found this kind of circuit did not work for you.
But maybe you did not understand how to use it correctly.
I tried to explain the correct way to locate gold with this LRL in my post to mesy64, but maybe I did not explain very clearly.
So I try again:

I believe this device cannot find any gold unless you touch the antanna onto the gold that you are hunting for.
When you touch a piece of gold to the antenna, then you will hear a noise in the speaker to indicate that you located gold.
The sound you hear will be the sound of locating the gold you touched to the antenna.
I think the gold may make the same sound as when you touch the antenna to a piece of copper or lead to locate copper or lead.
I am very certain you will hear the sound of locating when you touch the target metal to the antenna.

For long range detection, it does not work the same way.
For long range, you cannot pinpoint.
You must point the LRL in the direction you want to search, then turn the pot R5 and R14 until you hear the sound.
This sound tells you you have located gold in that direction.
The gold is located somewhere between where you are standing and 2000 miles distance from you.
It may be located above the surface of the ground, or buried up to 2000 miles deep.
But it is there for certain, because the LRL made the sound, and the meter moved.
Because you cannot pinpoint it any closer than 2000 miles, you must dig many holes until you find it.
You may also need to dig off to the sides up to 2000 miles as well because of the poor pinpointing ability.
When you finally recover the gold, you can touch it against the antenna to hear the sound and to prove the LRL detected the gold a second time. :good

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi j_p, where you was???
At final you have wrong. If you touch it against you Reset the detector:good

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi j_p, where you was???
At final you have wrong. If you touch it against you Reset the detector:good

RegardsOf course you reset the detector if you built the version that automatically resets.
But in the process of resetting, you should hear the sound change for a short moment.
This is the actual sound of detecting the gold piece that you are touching against the antenna.
Also remember... you must set the controls to make it sensitive to touching things against the antenna.

I have not built this amazing LRL circuit yet because my studfinder shows the same unbelievable performance for finding gold without making any modifications.
Think about it... I have 2000 miles range when using the long range mode.
Why would I want to make a modification?

Now to solve the pinpointing problem... :rolleyes:


Best wishes,
J_P

[teknoloji]

Mr. J Player

LRL Witness

Analysis on this circuit

Yours sincerely
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Can you give more information than text. The date in which the magazine or catalog.?

Thankyou

Daha fazla bilgi yazı verebilirmisin. Hangi tarih te çıkan dergi yada katalog bu.?

Teşekkürler.