Strong signal from Ferrite
 

Hi
Last days I deal with the discovery of small treasure. I use L Rods or the generator with the rods. I located a point that also the two precedents shows me the existence of gold. Yesterday I used electrostatic field detector (it is use a long ferrite) and saw a strange phenomenon. In the particular space it gives me a very strong signal with direction from west to east. The same signal I take if I am moved 200m roughly left or right (north to south). I supposed that they is some magnetic field of ground and thus I went roughly 2 km more far. The detector does not detect any signal. Changed a lot of places once again the detector does not detect nothing.I went again in the particular point, and the detector again gave me a very strong signal.
Exists case the signal emanates from the treasure that I search? Can a small treasure of 1000th 2000 coins create a so much strong field and in so much big distance
Regards:)

Hi Geo
Very interesting , is l rods help you find that location ?
Best regards.

…….. and if you are sure ,that location contain old gold coins , it is very good cause
For testing of remote sensing devices , pd or Lrods or ……

Energy from buried GOLD
 

Yes,thats true,you are making progress with your LRL devices.;)

Energies
 

Not forget to see if in this place existe some kind of generator or electric powerlines. This can make the false signals. If not,so you found your treasure...

No, there is not any electric power line shorter to 500 V. Now i made a modification at Iconos and next week i"ll go to detect the place with Iconos, Delta Pulse with 1x1 coil and the GTI2500. It is a good way to see if treasure or (what other it is), generate a so strong signal.
Regards

Yes. With the generator and a small 15W amplifier (20V output signal in the earth) i can detect from distance 500m very easy.
Regards

Hi Geo :)
If assume, buried gold be able emitted , …what stuff emitted from it ??
What emitting from gold ? if emitted frequency ,we can measure and determine
It. only parallel tuning resonance, than amplifying it.
Can you examine this method at that area? If I know, then be able construct
Sharp directional tuned receiver for gold prospecting.
This is only idea !!!!! :cool::cool:
Best regards.

.......Please more explain about circuit .
Best regards.

?

Hi,
you mean that without the generator you use l-rods and works at few distance (for you) but using l-rods+signal generator you gain 500m range ???

But Geo... which kind of generator are you using ? Isn't something like the Dell's omnitron thing ? I mean... you inject something square wave into the soil... just have 20Vpp at output ?

Personally I don't trust l-rods but maybe you're experienced with them or have some ability I haven't. I simply don't know, but the signal gen stuff seems interesting: how do you feel more detection range ? Just your idea or you actually found something that way ? :D

Kind regards,
Max

Hi,
uhm... I think it couldn't be such easy stuff. If that way any am RF receiver tuned to that frequency will do the job of locating gold at distance, but it isn't!

I think that (if something exist for real) it's not about a particular "frequency" but maybe some E-field variation around target: that will explain why many lrl are simple e-field detectors... but I simply can't see how they could be useful cause are too false signals addicted (randomic beeps).

Kind regards,
Max

you better say what phenomenon make a electrical energy in a coil ?

be sure it's not ions as the some members said , the EM field make that and the ferrite is only for increase amplitude of detected EMF .

it's not for battery effect and corrosion of a buried metal , i found some especially ancient gold items (above 90% pure gold) that kept in a resistant and dry place (with no electrolyte) and they had very strong EM energy .

best regards
Alex

Quote:

I think that (if something exist for real) it's not about a particular "frequency" but maybe some E-field variation around target: that will explain why many lrl are simple e-field detectors... but I simply can't see how they could be useful cause are too false signals addicted (randomic beeps).

Hi Max
Ok, I offer to Geo this method because he found good condition area
For testing remote sensing tools.
Also I think seem you, so we assume buried gold, produced E-field,
Then for detecting static electrical field, we need moving
Ferrite antenna, until produce voltage at end of coil .
What is your suggest?
Best regards.

Quote:

i found some especially ancient gold items

Hi Great Alex
What type tools you did use?
Best regards.

I ask it before of Esteban ,in fix position sometimes signal disappear and sometimes it's permanent , it's no need to move the coil ( maybe it was from the very strong field and very slow shake of hand make the Electrical energy )

Energy from Gold
 

I think all metals except ferrous,produce this energy fields underground.
The ferrous metals are the same material as the Planet(big magneto) so they not produce some measurable DIFERENCE in energies,as result,LRL not locate the IRON,and IRON BOX can mask a gold target.

Hi Max
Long time to see you :)
Without the generator, only with L rods i can locate some objects from 30, maybe and 50 meters. No good because i have a friend that can locate coins from 2 Km far !!!
With the generator i can take signal at my rods from500m very easy. I use sine signal 20v P-P. I use the Farnell PSG-1000a (remember i wanted the schematic, i repaired it) and a ampl with TDA 2030 at the output. All at 25.5 v DC.
Of course i found objects with the generator at long distance, but not every time accurary :angry:. Some times i put frequency for gold or coper i i find stones :angry::angry::lol::lol:
Regards

As Max said it is not so easy. I cant explain it :(
Regards:)

Hi. I agree with you absolute

Regards:)

A photo from one test at the farm of a friend
Regards:)

Geo

Interesting. Do you use with LRL rods?

Regards

Esteban

Hi Esteban.

L rods are the only way to work with generator signal. Here at Greece it is a often way to locate objects from long range. The problem is that when the object is very heavy and long long time buried..... we lose the center of the objects :angry::angry:
Regards

Hi Geo
At carl MFD article , at the earth probe did use ,coil.
Are you trying seem as Carl.
Please more inform me . also please upload more picture
In the matter.
Best regards.

Carl put that coil in MFD as a joke , cause he doesn't believe the LRLs at all.

This EM field make all the EM detectors even PI detctors to find the treasure place easily , not as the Geo claim over 500 meter or 2KM :eek: , but under 50m is possible .

Hi GEO

what's the signal frequency that you show on the scope ?

please send some pictures of your domplete device , Lrods & other components that you use .

Hi Aft.
I don't use the coils. I connect the signal and the gnd to the earth via 2 crocodile
Regards:)

Hi Alex. The frequency 13.92 Khz is frequency for copper. Also copper is detective with 11.7 Khz but L rods open....
I attach you some pictures of the generatoe, and the amplifier with the inverter 12 to 225.5 V
Regards:)

You have not right. 500 m is a small detecting distance for a 20V output signal (at the probes in the earth).
I believe that Carl's MFD can locate a object at 500 m distance.
Regards:)

L Rods
 

:|Ok,if Geo put his L rods p00p box generator here in forum,i also can put this one made long time ago.
It beeps when find target. Patent not registrated

MFD with probes,Generator,Alarm system with Buzzer,Single Rod Antenna... Attachment 7218

Attachment 7219

Attachment 7220

L Rod
 

Some of the finds.
Ops,i forget to put in the picture the big amount of iron nails,seams this frequencies generator not works only for Gold...

Attachment 7221

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/foru...0&d=1228770673
Hi Morgan. I cant see any Buzer for "It beeps when find target".
It seem to me for a Estebans schematic, but the coil at the rotor is not good
Regards:)

...
 

It as a small buzzer inside,like some toys...
Yes,it beeps when find the target,and its not Esteban project.

Hi Geo

Thanks for pictures , did you built the carl MFD and test it on a long range target?

about the distance i must say that i'm not the skeptic man that always say "it's impossible" , but in a very long range (over 500 m) there are many disturbance in environment , soil , other metals and some substants with similar manner as target ,so the device that work based on gravity system and resonanse between the anttena and the target in a speciall frequency hardly can detect the target and confiused . but nothing is imposible ;)


is the signals that emitted by the target or from your signal generator or another enviromental noise ?


Nice work Morgan
but now you built the PD , and your PD become a big mystery to me , which device is better , PD or your Lrod ?

Morgan , if you help and i built a PD someday i promise you that i don't steal your country treasures:lol:

MFD
 

Yes the oncle Carl´s MFD works,hope not registrated patent;)

Hmmm ... :rolleyes:

We've just seen a different list of frequencies on another thread, which states Copper has a "special" frequency of 58.6kHz. Now you're saying it's 13.92kHz.
You cannot both be correct ..... but you could both be wrong! ;)

Hi Alex.
No, i never tried the Carl MFD. Now about the distance, maybe i have right, maybe you are right. We receive signals from distance longer than 500m, but some times we have false signals. So yes is more hardly to detect right a target from large distance, But it is Possible.

I speak for generator signal.......

Regards

I think that the other frequencies are transmit frequencies. Here are ..... (i dont know :lol::lol:), but really work. Believe me, here at Greece a lot of people work with generator and rods with good results especially at coper, bronze and silver.At big quantities of gold there is a problem, we take the signal but we cant locate the center. Always the center is south of the point that the rods see:(.

Regards:)

One edit.....
At my reply with photos i wrote inverter from 12V to 225.5v, it is wrong:(.
Right is 12V to 25.5 V.

...
 

Coil around Magneto,in Rotor,it works,also some people use little rotor from broken speed car toy.;)

The Buzzer
 

Here is the complete Electronic RodAttachment 7226

I presume that the rod on top is able to swing from side-to-side, and the coil inside the box detects the movement of the rod. Correct?

Before some years i had a schematic with a 555 to drive a coil at VLF.The coil was externally of the axis of the rod. It seems about the same with Morgan's LRL rod. If i will find, i"ll attach it
Regards:)

Rod
 

Yes,it swing,and the antenna is able to detect the signals reflected in buried objects, signal wave sent to ground by oncle Carl´s MFD frequence generator.
It works fine,but not so far from the MFD...

http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/88.gif Geo στειλτω και σε μενα.....http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/200.gif

So it's really a dowsing rod in disguise. :shocked:

Hi Morgan
Inside of receiver, you use ferrite with coil plus battery and
Small circuit . Why?
Please upload receiver circuit. Also more explain.
Best regards .

Hi Geo
I impatient , seeing circuit diagram.
Best regards.

Καλως το παιδι.
Ειναι αυτο που εψαχνα χθες στον υπολογιστη και δεν το βρηκα. Εαν το πετυχω καπου θα στο στειλω
:)

Hi Aft...
I have long time to see it :(
If i will find it, i"ll post it here. But for me, use simple rods in bearings and you are OK:)

Hi Great Alex :)
I built Carl MFD some years ago. For test, put some old silver coin
In the ground and behind it at soil. Apply 8.7 kHz sine wave with 20vpp
To ground probe . Carl did use 7.8khz , but I read at old geotch forum that
Esteban Said, correct frequency for silver is 8.7 kHz.
For transmitter I use 10 MHz Philips function generator.
Sometimes I feel that the two Lrods mention to silver coins and sometimes
I didn’t that feel. Sometimes I feel that the two Lrods, crossover on target
Location. And sometimes nothing any . I was astray in the matter. :frown::frown::frown:
Also I read more times at forum which Lrods , didn’t work . Then I stopped
My examination with Lrods. Until yet , Geo said me , MFD working .
Also Morgan picture show , he found some coins .
Best regards.

For silver coins, play between 8.7 and 9.2 Khz. Put a silver coin at a place 10..15 cm in the ground and adjust the frequency where the rods close exactly up of the coin.
Regards:)

Ok, Geo, please explain about ferrite electrostatic LRL .
Best regards.

I also saw that photo, and the implication is that these coins were found with the LRL / dowsing rod contraption. However, I expect the final recovery was done with a real metal detector.

Hi.
Today i went again at the same place with the generator, L rods and the
electrostatic field detector. Today the detector did not gave me any signal, except a small signal at a point 10m from the point that the rods indicate that there is the treasure. After few days i"ll go again with metal detectors to find the exact point that there is (If there is :lol:) the treasure, and of course to see if the electrostatic field is from gold, or not.
I will inform you for everything
Regards:)

hello
 

Hi Geo

why is it mfd detection prone to error? is it because the frequency being used is not fine tuned to that particular metal? many times i dug holes only to find volcanic rock, corals and even trash metals. :frown:

Antenna Rod
 

Antenna Rod it was used to locate the targets in the range not far from the Carl MFD,and then to pinpoint i use one normal metal detector,and i found also a lot of trash,but always something...
This kind of Dowsing devices are very good for playing and finding something,but for those who ask big money for this kind of GIZMOS its unfair.
I asume here,THIS IS ONE ELECTRONIC DOWSING DEVICE.

Some times when the target is very big and heavy, we have the Ring phenomenon. One way to reduce it is to work at very hight harmonics. So for gold i work also at 630.980.610 Hz. Yesterday all frequencies indicated me about the same point. So it is something and not so big.

For gold i work at 6,20 KHz ''Geo'' and for me is the best ...............

http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/88.gif frequency

Here is my generators

1- http://www.imageshack.gr/files/5b0l0...c3ll_thumb.jpg

2- http://www.imageshack.gr/files/2gsd5...jnqt_thumb.jpg

3- http://www.imageshack.gr/files/8fxss...ezai_thumb.jpg


Circuits...........Later.

the gold frequency that you are used are so diffrent

630.980.610 Hz = 631Mhz & 6,20 KHz of Geo , 59.5 Khz of Steban device &

i don't understand what's the correct frequency , maybe it response to each frequency :stars:

i have similar experience with Gravitator ,sometimes it works very well but sometimes detect nothing .:frown::nerd:

but the :ml:explorer always detects the coin:)

TROUBLED WITH RINGS
 

I guess you are right GEO! just yesterday, i went also to my site and found out that the two readings using my improvised MFD turned out to be one reading which is located at the center of the two previously detected spots. the distance between the two readings(NORTH & SOUTH) is 24 feet and my previous computation of the depth of the treasure is at 12 feet. i thought the real object is in the north spot! Thank you very much for the clarifications on this matter.



sweatofglory

ΤΗΕ :ml:explorerhttp://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/136.gif............For me... is the best &
http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/88.gif

just a sort of advise
 

Hi GREAT ALEX

Try to test those frequency yourself to come up what is best for you.;) For me, 59.5 khz does not work well.:(

Hi Morgan
I waiting, ……………………… or maybe secret . ;)
Best regards.

Hi Great Alex :)
Although I had random result with Lrods plus function generator but ,
About molecular frequency scanning systems,as I knowing and read
The most producer setting For gold (approximately) ~ 5khz and silver ~ 8.7 khz .
Applying to earth by two probe.
Best regards.

Can be some different inject frequency via rods in soil than uses oscillator as detector. By the way 59.5 is near 62 Khz (used by Alonso) and 6.2 Khz is harmonic of 62 Khz (1/10). So, your point is between 5.6 Khz to 6.2-6.4 Khz and in other way 56 Khz to 62-64 Khz. Can be variations fo the type of gold mixing with others metals and in different proportion.

For oscillator "high frequency" as 300 Khz means you'll detect aluminium foil of cigarettes, chiclets, etc.

And ... are you surprised by this? :shrug:

Also small gold chain can't be detected by real metal detector, and is recovery by electronic LRL. But real metal detector is useful for to find into the hole or sparzed removed sand for to find the target... this is not a mistery. When you excavate the site, the "phenomenom" "breath", and detection dissapears sometimes or is poor, so you need also real metal detector as part of your artillery.

If you want to learn about rings look on my site.
http://lrlman.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1190603542

The frequency you are using if off causing the ring to shift to the right or left.

Tim

You will never find a universal accepted frequency for specific metals. The reason is, each operator determines what they believe is the frequency for "themselves" and their particular equipment. These "frequencies" are determined completely by empirical methods; hence there will never be a single frequency that can be agreed is the "right" frequency.

This is the ONLY result there can be when multiple sources take data on random occurring events and observations.

Plus, don't forget one of the biggest problems with the MFD and the frequency notion. In nearly all instances the generated frequencies are of a power level that is so minuscule, as to have ZERO influence on any distant targets beyond a few centimeters from the source.

Like the Ring Theory, the MFD/Frequency Theory is completely bogus. There are no "so-called" rings around buried metals or treasure items. This Ring Theory was concocted by an LRL scam artist in order to explain away the obvious Empty Holes that will happen when his customers complain about the dowsing contraption not working. The Ring Theory was concocted strictly as part of a marketing scheme, is total pseudo-science and has no connection with real science or physics.

If you want to learn more about such things, I found a great deal of good information on
http://sites.google.com/site/dowsingtruth

Sam I thought you only slander people using re-mailers on google? Are you supposed to attach peoples character? Didn't you get on trouble in the past for that?

http://web.archive.org/web/200108181...forum/locator/

You can see some of Sam's post here. He's the guy that used to write articles about dowsing and sold dowsing equipment. Anyone that does not agree with Sam is harassed and slander. There is a picture of Sam on this site. See if you can find it. Also Sam if you can prove willful deception please do. Otherwise I would except Carl to silence your post.

IF you want proof of who you are I will supply it. You link yourself to google by the above post. I have all post you have on google about me. If you can prove willful deception do it. Other wise if you want to say my equipment is bogus go for it. Stop attaching my character. If you don't use dowsing that's your business.

Carl talk to Sam and keep him in line.

Tim

Who is Sam? Do not see anyone here by that name.

If you are making ref to my remarks about your Ring Theory, that is fine. My remarks were in no way "attaching" or attacking your character. (I'm not sure what "attaching" is.)

I stand by my original remarks. The Ring Theory is bogus and is pure pseudo-science. If you would like to prove my remarks are wrong you will need to back up your Ring Theory with validated scientific proof and data, supported by other than yourself or other LRL salesmen. Bring on the data, I'm anxious to see it. ;)

Tell you what Sam. Let's let the good people of this forum decide if you are tacking me using the words "LRL scam artist".

Also if Carl approves of your bashing dowsers, then I think the good users of this forum should ask Carl if you are Sam! I think Carl is honest and has no reason to lie for you Sam.

So if anyone here wants to know if Theseus is the Sam that Dell and other have been talking about. The Sam that has caused many dowsing forums to go under go ahead and ask Carl here.

As far as my ring theory I am open to testing by people of which you are not.

Tim

Wow. You seem to be a very confused and irate individual. I guess you must've gotten burned pretty bad by this chap "Sam".

But let's put aside your anger and past dealings with this fictional character.

I'd rather concentrate on you providing scientific (validated) data for this Ring Theory. Who exactly are "qualified" to validate this theory? Has Carl observed the Ring Theory? Would he be qualified?

Please explain who would be "qualified", other than other dowsers and LRL salesmen.

Let's get down to the facts here, about this Ring Theory, and quit beating around the bush.

Either these rings exist (for everyone; all observers) or they don't; and it is nothing more than a concocted marketing scheme.

Here is our starting point. I say the Ring Theory is bogus and totally baseless. Prove me wrong.

A university that would test random people 1000 or more a study for responses using rods. There I answered your question. Now please answer mine.

Sam I thought you only slander people using re-mailers on google?

Are you supposed to attach peoples character?

Didn't you get on trouble in the past for that?

Are you saying you are not Sam?

What if I showed you email from people you know that know you are Sam? Would you believe them?

You know me Sam. If you want to bash my equipment go ahead. I have no problem with that. I also was the first to say there is no proof that rings exist. And no equipment can prove human perception does not sense rings when dowsing.

The question to you is are you Sam, Jblack, Karl Miller, Jean and many others. By the way the above list of name have been kicked off treasurenet forums. Can you guess why?

Tim

Answer is simple. All those frequencies might be correct as there's no such thing as 'the correct frequency'.

All elements are made of several and several frequencies which are relevant as to determine its shape, color, size, density, etc and etc.
Once you determine a fair amount of relevant ones, chances are you will get strait to the target with no false signals.
The secret is to master the correct way to filter the desired ones and apply the right concept.
A one only frequency is prone to several falsings.

Good luck.

I'm sorry but I'm having a little problem with your sentence structure. Perhaps if you weren't so taken with accusing me of someone I'm not, you could concentrate a little more on what the important issue is here.

"A university that would test random people.... 1000 or more.... a study for responses using rods."

Sorry, but you seem to have run several thoughts together. Do you want a 1000 universities to run some sort of test, or one university to run a test on 1000 random individuals???? What is a "study for responses using rods"?
Are the only people "qualified" to comment on your Ring Theory, those who can get responses from dowsing rods? Carl can get a dowsing response from a dowsing rod. I can get a dowsing response from a dowsing rod. I'll bet J_Player can get a response from a dowsing rod. Are we qualified?

From everything you are indicating here, apparently you don't actually have ANY data yourself, to validate your Ring Theory. Else you would provide it right here. That being the case, how is it that you can advertise the Ring Theory here or on your website, or explain it to prospective customers ---if in fact you can't actually provide tangible validated evidence to support your "theory"????

Incidentally, when you answer the questions above, would you mind leaving out all the rhetoric about some list of characters (real or fictional) that you are carrying a vendetta for? That adds nothing to the issue we are discussing. Thank you.

Look this is your agenda, your ego to keep this BS going on. I would have thought you could understand what I posted, but again you could not keep from saying something against me in the process of posting! Amazing! You sir are a study.

Answer my questions. If you cannot that's ok say so. Please don't dance around and change the subject. By the way "A university" means one. Just helping you to understand. I will let you figure out the rest.

Tim

My agenda? I don't have an agenda per se.

Was it not you that made the following posting?

"If you want to learn about rings look on my site.
http://lrlman.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1290604542

The frequency you are using if off causing the ring to shift to the right or left."

I thought this was a discussion forum, and after you said we could all "learn" about "these rings", I looked but did not find any data to support your "ring theory".

You still refuse to place any data here to support these "so-called" rings you make reference to, or point to where it is located.

Without data or third-party sources to substantiate these "rings" you talk about, the only conclusion anyone could arrive at is that it's just a lot of pseudo-science mumbo-jumbo.

Thus, my statement that the ring theory is bogus, is true and accurate. End of story.

Theseus, I don't see you posting any scientific data that supports your personal allegation that the ring theory, or Frequency discrimination, is bogus. Let's hear what credible Science you base your allegations against Tim, committing fraud? Surely, you can prove your allegations in a court of law? Dell

Well Sam you have to convince everyone that has experienced rings not me. What would you say to the person that posted about the ring and many others that email me? As before you have not answered my questions and you never will.

I have on my site if anyone wants to ask my customers about the LRL500 email me for references. Over and over I have people thanking me for my theory. I know that means nothing to you. But it's them you have to convince not me.

I just want to say that I count Carl as a friend. He has posted his views without belittling any dowser and I respect him for that. We have talked about meeting one day at a treasure show.

Sense this is going in circles I will not answer any more of your rambling post. Many people have died so I can have free speech. I am thankful. Use free speech wisely.

Sam have a nice day.

Tim

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Try to remember Dell, it is always the responsibility of those making the "claims"; to actually provide the proof for those claims, not the other way around.

My proof for making the statements I have, not only about the bogus ring theory, but also your bogus MFD/LRL theories is based on very sound principles. I will iterate them for you here, and I hope you will understand.

Once a device or phenomenon has developed around poor theories, it essentially halts all useful progress by its practitioners until the idea is reintegrated with the larger scientific community. The institutionalization of theories and devices in an uncritical atmosphere and away from the larger scientific community almost guarantees that there will be a continuing sequence of "positive" results, sometimes for centuries, even though the phenomena remain slippery, understanding remains vague, and discovery of new knowledge is left to the rest of science. In short, a duck is born. Quack, quack.

In regards to your own advertisements and those of a similar ilk; I would simply remind you of the following:

DEFENSIVENESS. It is a common human tendency to take criticism of one's work personally and respond defensively. True science must constantly be aware of this tendency and suppress it, because unchecked defensiveness is the death of scientific inquiry. When a manufacturer/dealer consistently interprets criticism of his or her theories, hypotheses, or data as personal insults, they become suspect, and rightly so.

How appropriate, and predictable, that one LRL salesman would come running to the aid of another. Why don't you get Claude Cochran or Richard Thomas to join in your little dogpile.:rolleyes:

Sorry, once again you must have me confused with someone else.

But regardless, the chore of convincing the gullible and technically-challenged is not mine. I'll leave that up to you LRL salesmen. If you can do what you do, advertise what you do, sell what you do --and still sleep at night, you've got a whole different set of scruples than I do. Good luck.;)

Sorry, that tired old rationale you use doesn't apply

In a court of law, the burden of proof is required to be shown by the person publicly making false, or libelous accusations against another. SHOW PROVE PROOFYOUR ALLEGATIONS.

Dell Winders & Tim Williams, publicly display their names, phone numbers, and addresses, without nothing to hide.

You, on the other hand go to great lengths to deceptively hide from the authorities behind a list of aliases, and IP's addresses.

So, come on Sam, show the folks here who you really are. Give them your true name, and address, where certain authorities have access to your whereabouts. Apparently, they are not aware of recent internet activities, and the same old tricks. Dell

No, if it is harmonic of the frequency that excite the target
Regards:)

To Theseys, Tim and Dell
 

The problem is very simple.
Everyone can say what he think !!!!!!
I found the Ring phenomenon a lot of times, so i dont hear what everyone says. Also, all people that i know who work rods with generator, the have the same problem with ring. Who is he, who work with rods and dont have ring problem????
I told a lot of times. At me the LRL works, with and without generator, so i dont know what the universities teach but how the rods are moving.
If anyone will come for holidays to Greece i can teach him
All the other , for me are words only for write......
My regards:)

Yes, the rationale I stated does apply, but of course pure pseudoscience will never fit into real science and physics, so there is no point in real scientific investigators wasting their time pointing out the obvious. Especially since your mind is CLOSED to real science in the first place.

By the way, since all of the statements I've published about you, your cohorts or your LRL/MFD are true, there is NO Libel; hence no accusations. Merely facts and truth. :razz:

The only possible way you could make a case for libel is if you could prove LRL/MFD actually worked better than Chance guessing. And, you can't (or won't) do that, so..... case closed, end of story.

Yes! but i think some are selling their ideas very expensive...

Call it whatever you want, Ring phenomenon, Ring Theory, Ghosting, Magnetic Images or whatever. It all equates to the Empty Hole Syndrome, or in simple terms; a hole that was dug after the dowsing (LRL/MFD) was finished, and nothing was found resembling a sought after target.

Don't take my word for it; Carl has written an excellent article on the subject, so there is no sense in me repeating the facts here.
http://geotech.thunting.com/cgi-bin/...oles/index.dat

Also, please remember, if enough holes are dug in search of something that could be construed as a viable target, you WILL be successful some of time. It's called the Law of Averages.

Hi Fred.
Again the things are simple!!!
If some selling their ideas expensive........ don't Buy
Regards:)

Hi.
I Regard Carl..... BUT
What about a lot of coins (hundrends) that i found with LRL or LRL and generator ?????? What about bigger objects that i found ????
What says Carl ????
Carl speak about his experiments and i believe him. But i speak about my experiment and the results are different from Carl.
So i write about me and not what i read!!!!
Regards:)

With an oscillator I made, at 300 Khz tends to detect aliminium foil, but a lowest frequency no. ;)

If an LRL actually works, would it not have to be operator independent? I would certainly think so. Similar to an ohmmeter. If several different individuals were asked to measure the same 100 ohm resistor with the same ohmmeter, we would expect all the readings to be very very close to one another.

If I understand you correctly, if both you and Carl tested (experimented) with exactly the same LRL, you are saying it would work for you but not for Carl.

Why do you suppose that would be?

In normal service, since when is an ohmmeter considered totally operator Independent? Get real.

Not if one operated with a dead battery, or one was being untruthful serving the Skeptic agenda, or one was an idiot. Dell

Sorry, I forgot to take into account your relative intelligence level, and that of a sack of rocks. You are right; if you were operating the ohmmeter it might not be operator independent.

(See above.........) :lol: Are you inferring that when Carl tests an LRL, he uses a dead battery in the device, or has a bias towards making it look like the LRL didn't work, when actually it did????

Theseus (Sam), You can express personal opinions about products all you want, if stated as such, however you cross the legal line when you make false, accusations of fraud against Tim Williams, & Dell Winders.

When you cowardly hide behind a continuance of aliases and random Isp, and spread malicious lies, with a venomous tongue it is you who is guilty of fraud, deception, and libel.

Come out from hiding from authorities, be a man, SHOW PROOF THAT BACK YOUR STUPID LIBELOUS ALLEGATIONS. And remember, Carl, is legally responsible for the content of this forum, and your libelous allegations.

The internet, is better policed, and it's harder for you hide under false pretenses. Sam, (Theseus) your vindictive days of seeking egotistical revenge against Dell Winders & Tim Williams, are over.

SHOW PROOF OF YOUR ALLEGATIONS AGAINST TIM WILLIAMS, & DELL WINDERS, or go back into hiding and start yourself a new life. Dell

Sorry, I don't have a clue what you are talking about, and I'm guessing neither do you. I'm not your long lost buddy. You and Tim apparently have some long-standing problem (or vendetta) against someone in your past. I certainly hope you can resolve your differences. You both seem to be quite worked up about something.

As for me, I will continue to make input here as I see fit, or until I'm requested to do otherwise by an administrator, certainly not at your request. ;)

Looks like Hung´s measurements :lol:
Now i have to retest all my resitors several times and average the readings to get a almost-real value...:frown:

Apparently, you don't see fit to demonstrate any credibility behind your accusations. It's all BS.

SHOW PROOF OF YOUR ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD AGAINST TIM WILLIAMS, & DELL WINDERS.

I'm sure viewers here would be interested. Dell

Coming from The King of BS, I find your remarks most laughable! :lol:

You have provided all the proof I could ever come up with. Don't forget it is you that is attempting to sell the over-priced paint roller handle; and trying to convince the gullible that it will point to treasure. I guess that's why you are The King of BS, and I'm just a lowly contributor to the forum. :cool:

Theseus, SHOW PROOF OF YOUR ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD AGAINST TIM WILLIAMS, & DELL WINDERS.

aliminium = aluminium
a lowest = at lowest
:lol:

Dell and Tim,
I don't think Theseus is calling you names, he is simply asking for proof of your statements. I think is a reasonable thing to ask given the weight and the possible enormous amount of applications that your devices would have. That is, if you can provide a mean to learn how to use the technology, we are not talking here about art or religion, are we?. A user manual with detailed instructions would be highly appreciated, but it has to work at least 80% of the time.

I commented to a friend of mine in the local university about your claims and he reply with a link he got while visiting a Baltic country.
Here is the link:
http://www.geo.lt/Earths_fields.pdf
By the way, he knows who you are Dell, because he was involved in the Zond12C project, and you know exactly what am I talking about, right?

Please check the link, some articles are in Russian, but mostly in English. My friend also promised to find a book about an experiment in the Karsluhe university in Germany, they had more than 500 dowsers there doing a blind test with all sorts of objects. I'll be glad to post it somewhere so it can be accessible, perhaps somebody here has heard about it and can help with that. It is not the 1000 that you requested Tim, but still a measurable amount and a respected university.

This is not to fuel up your controversy, but to give you some hints on the fact that beside your own opinions there are other people interested in the subject as well. It would be wise to check out some other opinions before jumping into conclusions, after all for a science or technology to be a science or a technology the results ought to be predictable, right?
Regards,

Hi Esteban. Yes you have right for 300 Khz. No good for gold. But try 4.93 Mhz or 9.86 Mhz !!!!!
You will remember me
regards:)

Hehe .... you have right from one side !!!! LRL dont work as a ohmmeter or as a TV. LRL are not sure 100% every time with every weather.....
But LRL is (maybe) the only way if you want to find objects from long distance. One time you maybe locate the targets and the other no... but what other to do???? there is not other way.
Now about Carl and me... If we will work with generator then i believe that we will have the same results (same freq and same rods), but if we will work only with rods , then the results will be deferent

If you test all your resistors yourself, then the results will be the same. You need to get all your friends round, and ask them to measure all the resistors ... then you can average the readings. ;)
Don't forget to use double-blind testing though, otherwise someone who can read resistor color codes could unconsciously affect the results. :lol:

Hi.
Before one week i went at the place where the rods indicate me that there is something in the earth. This time i had my DP with the 60x60cm coil. Yes there is a very strong signal at this point. I lift the coil about 40cm and the signal is strong yet. I located the place 30m around this point and i found another point where the signal of DP was very strong. The second point (about 20m far from the first) was the point that rods indicate when i don't use the generator. The place is near a village so it is not so easy to dig it.
Yesterday i went again with the Eagle. At first point it writes a lot of numbers when i move the detector. So it writes ID 00 Iron, Foil, ID 45...52(this iis maybe gold) and ID 67. At the second point it writes Iron and foil and at the corner of the hiden object ... ID 87.
I believe that maybe at the first point there is the small treasure, but at the second only irons with maybe al plates.
Please i want your opinion.....
If weather will be ok , then on New Year i will dig it
Regards...:):):)

XAXAXAXAXA...............Τι περειμενεις ?..........ΑΡΧΗΣΕ ΤΟ ΣΚΑΨΙΜΟ

Υ.Γ Αν θες βοηθο.....σφηρα:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[quote]Hi.
Before one week i went at the place where the rods indicate me that there is something in the earth. This time i had my DP with the 60x60cm coil. Yes there is a very strong signal at this point. I lift the coil about 40cm and the signal is strong yet. I located the place 30m around this point and i found another point where the signal of DP was very strong. The second point (about 20m far from the first) was the point that rods indicate when i don't use the generator. The place is near a village so it is not so easy to dig it.
Yesterday i went again with the Eagle. At first point it writes a lot of numbers when i move the detector. So it writes ID 00 Iron, Foil, ID 45...52(this iis maybe gold) and ID 67. At the second point it writes Iron and foil and at the corner of the hiden object ... ID 87.
I believe that maybe at the first point there is the small treasure, but at the second only irons with maybe al plates.
Please i want your opinion.....
If weather will be ok , then on New Year i will dig it
Regards...:):):)[quote]



Hi Geo
At the first , happy new yare , I hope you and your family
Having very good times in year 2009.:):)

Very strange, if I remember correct, you tuned generator
Frequency For gold and you obtaining iron and foil result now.
It is need, digging. Be ware , people of village , don’t see you .
Better dig at midnight time .
In my country digging for treasure, very dangerous . If any
Person know ,immediately call to police and Central Intelligence .

Any way, ………..I am very interest know final result.
Best regards.

Hi Aft...
Of course i will inform you.
Yes there is iron indication but also there is and gold indication ID 45 ... 52. Also i dont know about the ID 67.
And at my country the digging for treasure is very dangerous...
I will not dig at midnight but at midday....... who will say that this crazy man dig for treasure at midday.....:lol::lol::lol:
Regards and happy New Year for you and your family :):)

Αυτος ο χρονος καλα πηγε....
Αστο για τον καινουριο.:)

[quote=aft_72005;83326]

Здравей AFT , прийатела ще се уплаши.

Σπυρο σεπιασα...... τι δουλεια εχεις εδω ????

Ηρθα να σε δω................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
 

ENGLISH PLEASE...............................

What do we have here? The Guerillas' Cafe?

http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/147.gif
Why English ? .....GREEK is my language. http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/113.gif

και οχι μονο (and not only)

Giati ti problima exeis ?????:lol::lol:

Easyyyyyy!!! Cafe without MANIAC and Tsipouro, isn't a Cafe. Where are they?

xaxaxaxaxa http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/200.gif ..............http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/88.gifhttp://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/85.gif


good post

Rospy says why you don't say anything for the guys who write in russian language ????:lol::lol:
Regards :):):)

Πεστα εσυ γιατι εγω δεν την κατεχω την .......αγγλικη.

Cafe Antartwn
 

Paei den antexv allo
Here it goes- I can't bear it any longer.
I will notify JUSMAG that guerillas have taken over Greece
and invaded Geotech fortress.

GEO simazepse tous mposikous giati thaxoume diplwmatiko epeisodio

GEO control the loose ones because we ll have a diplomatic intervention.

It seems cafe "in Vivo" doesn't suffice to Spyros.
They need world recognition. . . !!!

Kante kanena LRL ki afhste ta salia.

Make an LRL and leave the salivas [ that makes perfect sense...! ]

You made my day pallikaria...

ALEX 356

WELCOME 2009!
 

"MY TREASURE HUNTING EQUIPMENTS"

1. A MODIFIED CALCULATOR LOCATOR

2. A MODIFIED CARL'S MFD

3. MY CELLULAR PHONE " SAMSUNG SGH-D500 "

4. WHITE'S TM-808 2 BOX DETECTOR

5. GARRETT TALKING DETECTOR

6. COMMON SENSE

GEO, Thanks for the translation......

I have only two electrostatic field detectors and one generator with the rods
:)
These days i had a problem with my Hard disk. I promised to Alf to attach the photo of the electrostatic detectors, but the HD restore is not OK yet....
Soon .........

"MY TREASURE HUNTING EQUIPMENTS"

Metal detectors
http://www.imageshack.gr/files/a1ed6...lhmo_thumb.jpg.. http://www.imageshack.gr/files/3g0y1...8n1k_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/8uy5p...8p8h_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/w1cdi...1vk0_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/yyu32...10at_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/fv8wt...n87h_thumb.jpg


Long range
http://www.imageshack.gr/files/y38sd...z7mr_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/nvk58...84hy_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/dxi9w...xjiu_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/izknw...qrgx_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/thre0...5h6x_thumb.jpg

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/o3mrf...ko8g_thumb.jpg

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/fsxg6...27tx_thumb.jpg.. http://www.imageshack.gr/files/ejdih...qdnl_thumb.jpg

ROSPY
 

My friend , I see you are an exceptional technician and you have constructed MANY LRLs.
Kindly tell me which one detects a big size metallic object [say a car's engine buried in 1.5 m. ] from a distance of 50 or 30 m.
Not gold. Just ANY metal 100-200 kgs. mass.
I am personally interested in your work and need an HONEST reply.
Thanks for your input. It is greatly appreciated.
ALEX 356

Hi Geo
I waiting……………………
Best regards.

Hi rospy
I am very interest to your long barrel Ferrite detector.
Are you having success with it?
Best regards.

There is a problem but will fix it.
The circuit is something like this..........

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/oa81f...zos3_thumb.gif

Hi dear rospy
Thanking so much for………………:thumb::thumb::thumb:

What are these?
Best regards.

Geo, honestly speaking, i am very interested to build an electrostatic detector but don't have time yet. i spent most of my time doing research and experiment with my locator. :)


Happy New Year!!!!!!

My wishes for Happy New Year to you and to your family
:):):)

Spyro kala xemperdemata :lol::lol::lol:
"Rospy give more details" !!!!!
:):)

XAXAXAXAAXA................Αφου ξερεις οτι μ'αρεσουν αυτα.......θα τους

χαζεψω..........και μετα θα την κανω με ελαφρα.......χαχαχα...για να μην τους

βγει και η μεταφραση.................:razz::razz::razz::razz: :razz::razz::razz:

Οοο......I forgot my favorite

http://www.imageshack.gr/files/nnsa6...qqz5_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/sxk4s...fond_thumb.jpg..http://www.imageshack.gr/files/2fbh8...hwtb_thumb.jpg

Rospy
 

Happy new year my friend rospy! hope you are in the best of everything...

Τhank you my friend.....i wiss the best for you :):)

HELLO........................
 

Where are you guys? :frown::frown::frown::frown::frown::frown::frown:

Rospy
 

Rospy,

Что вы думаете о моем вопросе?

Randy

Здраствуй Седен, IR приемник для золота будет Фотодиоде примет желтый свет. (RU)

[quote=Seden;83473] What frequency is the ferrite tuned to?

Този ферит е настроен за приемане на шум около

Δεν καταλαβα ακομα τι θελεις να κανεις ?

:lol::lol::lol:

Rospy PT.II
 

:nono: No my friend you don't.And this is the reason tο destroy it :(

Hi Geo
Also I waiting for pictures.......................................... ..........
Best regards.

Hi Geo :)
Where are you? What is final result, also if it isn’t secret?
Best regards.

Hi GEO, alex wrote once upon a time

what's the signal frequency that you show on the scope ?

please send some pictures of your domplete device , Lrods & other components that you use

is it possible to have a copy too
αιντε βοηθήστε ρε παιδιά τους καινούργιους εδώ
i allready made the LRL rods
friendly epitopios
ευχαριστω εκ των προτέρων

Hi all :)
For a time, Geo didn’t send any massages at fourm . anybody having any advise from him ?
May be he had bad event ? :frown:
Best regards.

Do not worry. He is well, but too busy.

Hi Aft,

Maybe Geo has found what he is looking for but is afraid to divulge infos regarding his finds for security reasons.:):):)

Hi sweatofglory http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/91.gif
Yes, Geo said about treasure hunting problems at greece .
But important subject for me , know about acting of Lrods with
Signal generator and electrostatic filed detector . Geo had those
is it really Be able finding metals in the ground ? http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/144.gif

Hello Aft,

Yes it can! but using 5khz is not sufficient to pinpoint the center of the target. the rings depend on how deep the target is. for me, 5khz is good only in shallow target. say 1 foot, the distance between the true target and your detection is at 2ft.:):):)

Hi sweatofglory
Intersting result http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/85.gif ,after Geo , also you are second person you having success with Lrods.
Is your sestem handmade ? please more explain .
Best regards.

yes a modified Carl's mfd and a calculator lrl. it sounds funny but it works for me.:):):)

What is calculator LRL? Is it rengertel ? http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/143.gif
Can you uploade some pictures ?

Hi Geohttp://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/91.gif


after long time ,you comeback to forum and I am glad see you again.
If you remember , you said me that upload some pictuers from your
Electrostatic field detector with ferrite. I am also wistful.
Best regards.

Hi Aft...
How are you????
Of course i never forgot my promise. Next week i will give you the fotos
Regards :)

Ψεφτςςςςς....Κλεφτςςςςς............:razz::razz::razz::razz::razz:

Hi Geo
Thank you , nowadays, I am working for new automation line for power
Cable factory. Metal detector circuits is my interesting.
I waiting for it.
Best regards.

hello brodhy aft 72005, my congratulations for you, because, you is the new entusiast lrl hoobist
you go for good way
welcome to group of vanduardists'
my embrace dman.

Hi detectomanhttp://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/91.gif
Many thanks for your attention, awhile that I am interesting to
LRL system. detectoman , Esteban, Morgan, Geo,ANDREAS, rospy ,whom intelligentsia
At LRL systems . I am try more learning in the matter from they.
As I studying LRL forum from far past , Esteban leader in the matter .
Best regards .

Don't Stop Believing.........
 

Hi Geo,

WELCOME BACK! the forum needs you........

electrostatic detector photo....
 

Hi Aft.
I attach one photo. I will looking for the other detector...
Regards :)

Hi Geo
Thank you,:):) I will build Electrostatic detector with ferrite.
I am busy on other project now.
Best regards.

Hi aft.
I found a photo of the other detector but not inside the box.
Sorry
Regards:)

Hi Geo
What is it ? is it long range? Is it really work on very long time berried valuable metals ?


Best regards.

Yes... It is a electrostatic detector (small pcb) and from the other pcb i use the power suply and audio generator. It work for long time buried objects at medium distances. I never found something only few years buried.

Regards:)

Hi Geo :)
It is good :), what was detection distance?
What was dimension? What kind of metal?
Best regards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNO3_hjbcE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkoXbZWUrJU

Hi rospy :)
Interesting …………
Best regards.

As I knowing very old buried metals may be produced static field.
While at movie coin on the top of soil !! :???:
Best regards.

Αμε γιατι οχι φιλε?

WHY NOT MY FRIEND ?

http://f.imagehost.org/t/0706/DSC00025.jpg http://f.imagehost.org/t/0968/DSC00026.jpg http://f.imagehost.org/t/0368/DSC00036.jpg

Make the same test with the coin at 75 cm depth.

:(:(I want to apologize for that it was presented. They was a gulf that I made in rospy without him it occupies. That it appears in the video this moment is false.
Sorry !! :(:(

My friend george??.....This is all folks ??

Οχι ρε φιλε αληθεια αστειο ειτανε ??

Sorry :(:(

Όλα θες να τα μαθαίνεις , ακόμα και τα αστεία ;)

Ωχ μας επιασαν!!!!:lol::lol: