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Originally Posted by WM6
Hi dear friend KT315,
sorry, but you are wrong about ivconic.
If you follow his posts here on RS, you can find:
- that he was from start curious explorer and even proposer of some LRL project which he was find at the end as nonworking (as remote detector),
- after that he was still open to possible scientific proof, but was very suspicious against unargumented claims,
- in fact he is skeptic and left this forum as skeptic.
I think we have to be hard against all LRL scam open or hidden, against all sort of LRL scam promotion and against all sort of scam defender but there is not need to be against researching and experiments in all field of remote sensing.
There is not need to be contra dogmatic believers by dogmatic scepticism.
So, i vote against all sort of LRL scam and propaganda but at the same time not against research and experiments in field of remote sensing.
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Hi WM6,
Thank you for pointing out kt315's errors.
All that WM6 says is correct.
Ivconic was never a defender of LRL scams. He made pages of criticisms against every LRL scam, and only had interest to find real working electronic circuits.
WM6 wants to vote against all sort of LRL scam and propaganda, but at the same time not against research and experiments in field of remote sensing.
I vote for this too.
This is exactly the reason Carl-NC made the Remote sensing forum. Read Carl's words:
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Originally Posted by Carl-NC
Personally, I'm a very vocal skeptic of LRLs. I've spent a ton of money buying them and exposing the scams, and even been sued for my efforts. Yet I still allow people -- even proponents -- to discuss them on my web site. Have you ever wondered why?
...The Remote Sensing Forum was created with the hope that it would attract discussions about legitimate remote sensing technology, but with the full expectation that it would instead attract endless debates over LRLs.
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WM6 has the exact same interest in Remote Sensing forum as Carl-NC has -- Very skeptical and vocal about LRLs but interest in discussions about legitimate remote sensing technology.
We see it is not only WM6 who has this idea. This is also what Ivconic was interested in. It is exactly as WM6 tells us. We can read the forum to know he is correct.
But it is not only WM8 and Ivconic who posted here to argue against LRL scams and look for some legitimate remote sensing technology. There are many others. This is what most people read the Remote Sensing forum for.
Simply read the posts in Remote Sensing. Most of the posts are made by people tinkering with electronic circuits to see if they can get them to work for long range locating on their weekend treasure hunts. Same as Ivconics early attempts, and the attempts by Funfinder and Gold finder do today. When they make their forum posts, there are many other readers who work together to look for answers and make suggestions. Isn't this exactly what Carl made this forum for?
But kt315 has come here and attacked Carl and the geotech forum in several posts, calling Qiaozhi dishonest and calling the people who like to expose scams and discuss possible solutions scum. According to kt315, this is criminal behavior.
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Originally Posted by kt315
"LRL is the crime business in clear form. you know its fact very well. why Geotech is due to bear the criminal behaviour? is it a politics of White's?"
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Look at his posts - kt315 is calling people scum who expose the LRL scams and look for discussions of legitimate remote sensing. He depicts them to be promoting the sales of fraud bomb detectors that cause deaths.
Why does he say this?
Does this argument make any sense?
A forum which publicly exposes LRL scams and bomb detector scams is promoting them?
Anyone with average intelligence can see the Geotech Remote Sensing forum does not promote fraud detectors of any kind. Geotech is among the first to send warnings to the world about these frauds.
In fact, the Geotech Remote Sensing has the largest forum archive in the world that exposes fraud detectors available for public reference. This is where guests come to ask questions when they want learn the truth about a particular detector. Unlike other online LRL forum, Geotech Remote Sensing has a large background of real engineers who tell the real facts about manufacturers who are scamming people.
kt315 has been lying to us.
To stop promoting deaths from the sale of fake bomb detectors is not the reason he is trying to remove the Remote Sensing forum. This argument is a ruse to conceal his true motive.
The people kt315 calls "scum" are people who have a prolific history of making posts and reports of fraud detectors.
He did not begin calling them scum until they pointed out he was wrong. Who will be the next "scum" according to kt315? Will it be WM6? Another well-established engineer who argues against scam detectors and looks for viable methods?
Why the smear campaign?
kt315 found out he only had one other person who would vote with him to remove the remote sensing forum. Then he decided to start a proxy war by recruiting people who don't read the Remote Sensing forum enough to know he is giving out false information to alarm people to add more votes for his cause. Check it out for yourself. Read the posts in the voting thread. It is exactly as I said. kt315 solicited votes from the Tech forum to come here and vote, using the propaganda you see in his posts above and in the voting thread.
It doesn't even make sense to think that this forum is promoting sales of fake bomb detectors. This is only what kt315 wants people to believe who have not read much in the Remote Sensing forum.
kt315 does not even care about sales of fake bomb detectors. He never had any interest in the sniffex or ADE-651 bomb detectors until he decided they would be good propaganda to alarm innocent people that this forum is criminal and induce them to vote his campaign to remove the Remote Sensing forum.
See the proof:
When Carl-NC and other Geotech engneers were exposing the fraud of the sniffex 4 years ago,
kt315 was nowhere to be found:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11812
When Carl-NC and other Geotech engneers were exposing the fraud ADE-651 bomb detectors,
kt315 was there posting, but he remained silent about this fraud:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16267
There are hundreds more posts like these for for manufacturers of fradulent detectors being exposed as fakes in the Remote sensing forum. Where was kt315 to help expose them as frauds?
Kt315 does not believe there Geotech is supporting these frauds. This is a lie. He only pretends so he can create a ruse to make people believe Geotech is promoting these fakes, and to believe he fights to condemn them. This is simply not true.
But this brings us to the final question:
What is the reason why kt315 wants to remove the Remote Sensing forum?
We know it is not to stop the sales of fake bomb detectors.
So what could his motive be to shut down a forum that exposes fraud detectors and has discussions about developing detectors that might work?
I asked him the question several times, but did not get an answer.
But kt315 tipped his hand. It has nothing to do with his sham argument of promoting fake bomb detectors. It is more of a personal reason that
concerns kt315. I will address his real reason in another post if anyone is interested. But for now, I can assure you there is no danger that Remote Sensing forum is promoting any fraud detectors.
This is the largest and longest standing Remote Sensing forum the world has seen that tells the real story of long range locating and scam detectors.
I suggest that anyone who wants to vote would be wise to check to see if you know the facts of what you are voting for.
Otherwise you may be blindly voting to remove the world's largest archive that exposes fraud detectors based on false charges made by kt315.
The facts are all in this forum. Make a search for the name of any fraud detector and read the real facts.
Best wishes,
J_P