[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Can all sorts of threats to Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms to be protected by Freedom of Speech and/or Human Rights?

Can speech against Freedom of Speech to be protected by Freedom of Speech?

Can public solicitations to criminal acts to be protected by Freedom of Speech?

Where can we put here LRL scam criminals, false LRL scam propaganda, and LRL scam advocacy. Are all this pro or contra Human Rights and Freedoms?

"Can all sorts of threats to Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms to be protected by Freedom of Speech and/or Human Rights"?

Of course they can be protected by freedom of speech.
Why should anyone be forced to keep their mouth closed when they want to tell other people what is on their mind?
You don't like what they are saying?
Then this is YOUR PROBLEM.

So how can you deal with someone who says things you don't like to hear?
Should you ban them?
Or should you send ninja assassins to remove them?

Hahahaaa.
A lot of people tried those methods before, and they discovered that they don't work.
when you try to remove people who want to say things you don't want to hear, then everyone sees you to be the Nazi gestapo who will not tolerate anything except what you want to hear.
And they stop listening to you.
Then they listen to the people who you want to remove.
This makes a second problem for you...
Now you must also stop the people from listening as well as stopping people from talking about things that you don't want them to say.

Some people like to live in an environment of censorship.
It is the wonderful place where people are not permitted to say anything you don't want them to say.
This is a great way to promote your favorite ideas, and to stop all ideas that you don't like.
You can put people in prison when they say things that are not popular, and books are burned if they have stories of wrong thinking.
It is the wonderful land where only right thinking is allowed.
The only problem is .... who is in charge to decide what is right thinking and what is wrong thinking.

Will it be the Christian god who in charge to decide about right and wrong thinking?
Or the Muslim God?
Or Buddha?
Or maybe the Genghis Khan?
Or maybe Hitler?
Or maybe you should be in charge to decide what is right thinking and wrong thinking?

Wasn't it a wonderful time during the French and Spanish inquisitions when people were executed for wrong thinking and wrong talk?
Take a look back and see how right the censors were during those times.
It seems to me not many people even remember what wrong things were said and done back then.
Do you think the wrong ideas people had back then are still wrong ideas today?

Have we forgot that those people who were censored centuries ago were thinking the their thoughts even when they were not allowed to talk about them publicly?
They had ideas in their head that were prohibited to be thought about...!
And today, nothing is changed.
Any ideas that someone tries to censor will still be thought and will continue to propagate among the people who like these banned ideas.
The question becomes... who will be the king who decides what ideas are good and bad?
Who decides what is right thinking and wrong thinking?

In metal detecting, the only ideas I have seen anyone try to ban is dowsing and long range locating.
So suppose we try to ban both of these ideas.
First, it is an offensive gesture against anyone who wants to investigate these ideas to see if they have any value.
Second, it is impossible to stop people from thinking about dowsing and LRLs.
Third, there is no purpose to stop people from thinking about and investigating these ideas.

What is the worst that can happen when a person investigates dowsing and LRLs?
Suppose a person investigates and decides they are good working science.
Maybe they don't have the intellect to understand that fake bomb detectors fail to protect people from dying in war zones.
And maybe they are not smart enough to notice they have not found any treasure with using their LRL.

...Who cares?
We are looking at a very few persons who are interested in LRL stuff.
These are people who can become poor if they spend enough money for fake treasure hunting locators.
How can it possibly hurt you if a handful of hobbyists spend their money or their time to play with treasure detectors?
The fact is it does not hurt you.

The only people who are being hurt are people who are forced to use fake bomb detectors to keep themselves safe in a war zone.
This has nothing to do with treasure hunters and hobbyists.
This has everything to do with government corruption and fraud.
It happens because government officials are willing to lie to the people who they are supposed to protect in order to get rich from the manufacturers of fake bomb detectors.
It happens because the corrupt people who force citizens to use these fake bomb detectors are confident that there will be no free forums where citizens can read the warnings for fake bomb detectors.

If you read the Geotech forum, you will find we are one of the most vocal places on the internet that warns against the fake bomb detectors as well as fake treasure detectors.
If people were not permitted to make claims that they have magic treasure finders and bomb finders, then Geotech engineers would have nothing to complain about, and no warnings to make.
A condition of censorship will not help to prevent people from dying from fake bomb detectors. Nor would it help to prevent people from buying fake treasure detectors.
A condition of censorship will close one of the only places people can read to learn the truth about fake detectors.

We already see the forums that do not permit LRL talk... these forums do no good for warning people.
The only people who visit these forums are people who are interested in conventional metal detecting.... not people who want to know the facts about LRLs.
Only Geotech and Tnet do much of a job to warn people of the dangers.
If Geotech was to decide to ban all LRL posts, then all the warnings would end.
Nobody would come here to read the reports of whether an LRL works or not, because they would know there is no information here for current LRL events, and no news for the latest scams to watch out for.

Presently, nearly half of the Geotech readers are reading the Remote Sensing forum.
This is nearly the amount of readers we find in all the technical forums put together.
What other place on the internet has this much readership where people can read warnings about fake scam locators?

The reason why people come here to read Geotech is because they know this is the premier forum for technical based evaluations of all sorts of metal detecting technology.
They know Geotech is ready for all people who claim to have a new technology, and the facts will be quickly separated from the fiction here.
If the people who promote fake scam locators were banned, then readers would stop reading here because they would see us as a slanted forum that only permits our own point of view and bans wrong ideas that we don't like.

That is the bottom line.
Geotech can only make fraud warnings if it is a free and open forum where people can say what is on their mind, whether we like their ideas or not.
The proof is in the whining we hear from LRL manufacturers who demand that we stop publishing bad opinions about their equipment.

There is no threat from hobbyists experimenting with their VLF LRLs and dowsing rods.
The problem to be dealt with is the manufacturer of LRLs who sell fake detectors to ignorant treasure hunters, or who bribe government officials to pay high prices for their fake bomb detectors.

Best wishes,
J_P