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Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)
...Let me say I see no advantage to producing a scientific-like study. I've been practicing daily for many years and I don't need any "proof". If you want proof then go and get it yourself. Get a frequency generator and some L-rods or better yet get a system with an electronic receiver if you hope it to be scientific. But even then it is unlikely. There are just too many variables not the least of which is the emotional state of the user.
I am told the signal line from Molecular Frequency Discriminators (MFD) is magnetic. That is, the essence of the target's field is communicated across this something like the string on a tin can and string telephone used by children. The signal line acts like an antenna. It is a concentration of the lines of force. If you have studied ground radio you know it is conduction and induction. Absolutely no doubt in my mind this is where the MFD concept originated.
...I guees I shouldn't say I think you skeptics are stupid. You are just gullible to believe someone without one shread of experience on the subject. Well, that is stupid.
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Hi Mike,
I have looked for some proof as you suggested with both dowsing rods and with a swiveling LRL to see what signals are present.
I used very sensitive instruments to measure actual signals in the air much smaller and broader spectrum than any radio you can buy will tune.
I measured both magnetic signals and electric field signals. I was able to observe tiny signals well below 1 Hz, and into the GHz band.
Guess what I found?
I found noise in the air.
This was mostly RF from nearby power circuits that were switching, from broadcasts, and from local computers and electronics.
When I set up LRLs that were guaranteed to establish a signal line from a rod or antenna to a gold sample I was not able to locate this signal line.
I guess this is evidence that whatever "magnetic" signal line is so much weaker than the noise in the air that it cannot be measured or detected with magnetic or electric sensing instruments.
I also read where some LRL users say the signal line circuit is completed by traveling in the ground from the buried treasure to the feet of the dowser or LRL user. So I made some tests using ground probes to check for unusual signals in the line between them.
Guess what I found?
I found more noise.
Even the noise is hard to find unless you set your instruments to very sensitive settings and take special precautions for grounding and shielding so you don't pick up stray noise that is not being measured from the ground probe.
The appearance is no matter where you go to conduct these measurements, you find the same exact noise signals whether you remove the treasure sample or not, and regardless of who is holding the dowsing rods.
The LRL signals is a whole different story.
I did measure signals coming from the LRL, but they were not measurable beyond 6 inches maximum (this particular model did not have a powered adjustable frequency generator attached, but a pocket calculator for generating a signal).
The bottom line is that very sensitive electronic instruments were not able to locate anywhere a signal line between the dowser or LRL and a piece of gold at any frequency between 1/4 Hz and into the low GHz range. Not in three dimensional space, and not down six inches into the ground
Not a magnetic signal or an electric signal or a signal that we call RF.
I would think I would see at least a millivolt if this signal was strong enough to cause a rod to swing, or an antenna to swivel.
But there was nothing there.
The noise signals I measured did not change in the least when an assistant removed the gold sample from the location 30 feet away.
The evidence I measured with electronic instruments makes it hard for me to believe that there is a signal line composed of a magnetic frequency.
And we know that if there was such a signal moving through the air as a frequency, it would propagate in transverse waves, not longitudinal waves as we find with the mechanical waves traveling through a string between tin cans.
Now, I begin to wonder who told you that the signal line is magnetic? Certainly not a scientist who has experience with magnetics.
It sounds like something a person who is ignorant of the properties of magnetic waves and fields would say.
You say you see no advantage to producing a scientific-like study. I've been practicing daily for many years and I don't need any "proof".
Of course not if the evidence we find by actually taking measurements proves your theory is wrong!
Does the evidence make people wonder how your practicing every day with dowsing rods/LRLs caused you to conlcude there are magnetic waves traveling in a signal line that can't be measured?
Does it make people wonder if you expound these un-founded theories of magnetism to convice other people who also don't know the nature of magnetic waves?
You finish your symposium on dowsing/MFD theory by saying skeptics are gullible.
I have already seen the evidence that your theory is wrong.
But I have not seen evidence that you can in fact successfully locate hidden things with your dowsing or LRLs.
If you really believe you can find things with your dowsing rods and LRLs, this is fine with me.
But I will never believe you can do it until I see a convincing demonstration where you repeatedly recover things that you don't know the location of.
If you believe this defines me to be gullible, then feel free to believe as you wish.
Judging from your description of how dowsing/MFD works, your version seems to work as the result of mental conditions rather than than physical conditions.
Best wishes,
J_P