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Old 11-24-2012, 06:21 PM
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Hi J_Player, if "Phenomenon" was caused by gold ions "crashing" as they neutralized, and using the energy of the "crash" to transport the ions,
Maybe gold send strong photon light with acoustic vibrations, because one madel of Alonso have (use) eye (IR Trans. or IR Led) for receiving.

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Hi humhim,
There are three problems with that theory.

1. No Gold Ions
There are no ions of gold at the surface of the ground or in the air. This was proved by scientists who measured to find where the gold ions are. The only gold ions they found were under the ground, 10 cm and deeper, and these ions are in the parts per trillion amounts. These ions in the ground cannot be measured unless you dig a soil sample and take it to a laboratory, then make an assay of the soil with some very sophisticated instruments. When these ions move near the surface of the ground, they neutralize and become a microscopic gold metal particle. And they remain particles even after they reach the surface of the ground. Some of these microscopic gold particles blow in the wind into the air, where they can be measured in the parts per trillion concentration. But scientists cannot find any gold ions in the air. The microscopic gold metal particles in the air, and in the ground, and the sea water are not ions. They have neutral charge because they are part of a neutral metal lattice, not ions in solution.

2. No ions means no photons, No IR interactions from ion "crashes"
Knowing that there are no gold ions on the surface of the ground or in the air, we can determine that there are no gold ions neutralizing on the surface of the ground or in the air, and there is no "crash". A solid gold particle does not send strong photon light from within the gold. The only light we get from a gold particle is light that is reflected from another light source, or if we heat the gold so hot that it begins to glow from the heat. When we are looking for buried gold, any light from an artificial source, or from a gold ion is blocked by the soil, which prevents visible and NIR light from passing above the ground where it can be seen from the surface. Therefore, we can see that light from the NIR LEDs on Mineoro locators is blocked from direct exposure to gold ions because the nearest possible gold ion is buried 10 cm below the ground. The IR LED can only be shined on the surface of gold that is above the ground, not under the ground. Since the only gold above the ground is gold metal, there is no ionic activity or photons coming from the neutral gold metal.

3. Femto, atto second electronic noises cannot be measured without special equipments
The femto and atto second electronic pulses which Alonso talks about cannot be measured with the cheap signal transistors he uses in his locators. When we are trying to measure the electronic noise of chemical ions neutralizing, we generally put probes into a strong liquid solution where the ions are concentrated, and we use a very sensitive low-noise instrument to record the electronic noise from the ionic activity. But the ions which Alonso claims are causing his locators to beep are not in a strong liquid solution where we have probes submerged, and connected to a low-noise instrument. The ions Alonso talked about were measured in parts per trillion concentration, at a long distance from where we want to detect them, and they are buried at least 10 cm. The signal to noise ratio is way to far exceeded to measure these ions from long distance, even if we placed probes in the ground to measure them. The only way I could imagine is to go to a known location of buried metal which corrodes more than gold, such as copper. Then seed the ground with an acid which is known to corrode copper and push in some probes within 10 cm of the buried copper. In this condition, you may have a chance to measure the electronic noise from the copper ions changing to metal, and back to ions. But you would need some very sophisticated lab instruments to connect the probes to. And you would need some luck too. I think you would have a hard time to measure any ion electronic noise. To measure the electronic noise from buried gold ions from a distance is thousands of times more difficult than for copper, which commonly can make thousands of times more ions in the ground.

To detect this noise from a distance with IR...
I would like for someone to explain how it is possible, when we have parts per trillion of gold ions buried 10 cm and deeper under the ground.
I don't need to hear anecdotal stories about how it is really, really working, because it is not.
We already saw the performance of the Mineoro IR models. I believe they only work with hidden transmitters.
Simply explain what exactly the IR LED is detecting.
I know for a fact there is no light from a near IR LED shining on a buried gold ion.


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