ICONOS MD 807

[takhslambos]

what do you mean that iconos is my best choise?is the best PD you ever test it?

[Funfinder]

@ takhslambos
Where can you still buy this device and what's the price?

I found out this info here
http://www.hotlinekw.com/iconos_md_ic807.htm
and that their formerly page no longer exists:
http://www.iconos-md.eu/

and here 2 years ago a customer from china was very unsatisfied:
http://174.132.129.189/~moreland/for...ad.php?t=14262


@ Geo

Morgan wrote: According Geo,he found one gold fragment 4 m distance... I think he not lie to this forum.

If you read this can you tell us more about the Iconos and if it's possible to test this device also in air?

I wonder why it's fixed to "gold only" - I don't hope because long time buried gold is so seldom almost noone can prove if the unit really works? Would be much better if it's able to select between different metals.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

@ takhslambos
Where can you still buy this device and what's the price?

I found out this info here
http://www.hotlinekw.com/iconos_md_ic807.htm
and that their formerly page no longer exists:
http://www.iconos-md.eu/

and here 2 years ago a customer from china was very unsatisfied:
http://174.132.129.189/~moreland/for...ad.php?t=14262


@ Geo

If you read this can you tell us more about the Iconos and if it's possible to test this device also in air?

I wonder why it's fixed to "gold only" - I don't hope because long time buried gold is so seldom almost noone can prove if the unit really works? Would be much better if it's able to select between different metals.

WHAT IS ICONOS ???

Long Range Locator,work electromagnetic resonance,head with Gold sample.The same is MINEORO DCH 85.

Some people buy this devices and want to find treasure in the garden,very funny,if not find,they become unappy...This need a lot of expeditions and tests,and probably in 500 places can be found one treasure.
About distances,this LRL´s can found treasure 80 meters,and gold coin (with sparzed signals) not more than 10 meters,always need metal detector for pinpoint. The great distances they put in their sites are ILUSION.

I not give advice here for people by this expensive detectors,i say better try to build similar device with low cost price (see my threads )and try in the fields,results will be the same.

Regards

[Funfinder]

Hi Morgan,

Thanx for the answer. It is great that you have tested and selfmade such ionic detectors but there are some points generally very mysterious:

@ "Mineoro FG79 Price?" in Post #7 from 2008 you've been totally against them:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=mineoro+fg79
Is this because those devices doesn't work outside of Brazil - not in equation with different ionic-fields or something? If so, is there a Mineoro Model that works everywhere and do you still have some to sell?

Next:
@ LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator Page 5
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=14731&page=5
hung in post #116 wrote:

The PDC project and the latest models are many times more powerful than the DCH. The DCH needed almost 100% of ionic emanations to detect. The PDC only 50%.

Testing both of them a couple of years ago in a ancient gold target, the PDC beeped clearly at 100 m distance. The DCH not a single beep even from 25 m.

Yesterday I saw at:
http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/finding_mexico.php#
that the PDC210 no longer is produced but replaced by the much more sensitive FG80.

What does this mean?
Was hung right with his test results or was it a lie and is the PDC210 better?

@ "new mineoro video" hung also found a piece of copper-tube in an ancient city - post 7 - just from a month ago:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...ht=copper+tube

Again with the PDC210.
I guess the PDC210 is much better because it also shows other metal-signals.

As you said, large and long time ago buried gold is very seldom - perhaps 1 out of 500 places, so it's stupid focussing on gold only and frustrating alot customers that throw away there LRLs because they find nothing at all!

I could built the ionic detector and because I found that LM324N opamp also the Gold Gun AL718 out of scratch with some mods and alot additional experimenting but when I read the info of "hung" and your formerly Mineoro statements I wonder what's really right or wrong now and why those devices should work under brazil conditions and not with european.

btw. thanx for the nice pic - under what circumstances and from which distance did you found this cache?

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

Hi Morgan,

Thanx for the answer. It is great that you have tested and selfmade such ionic detectors but there are some points generally very mysterious:

@ "Mineoro FG79 Price?" in Post #7 from 2008 you've been totally against them:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=mineoro+fg79
Is this because those devices doesn't work outside of Brazil - not in equation with different ionic-fields or something? If so, is there a Mineoro Model that works everywhere and do you still have some to sell?

Next:
@ LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator Page 5
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=14731&page=5
hung in post #116 wrote:


Yesterday I saw at:
http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/finding_mexico.php#
that the PDC210 no longer is produced but replaced by the much more sensitive FG80.

What does this mean?
Was hung right with his test results or was it a lie and is the PDC210 better?

@ "new mineoro video" hung also found a piece of copper-tube in an ancient city - post 7 - just from a month ago:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...ht=copper+tube

Again with the PDC210.
I guess the PDC210 is much better because it also shows other metal-signals.

As you said, large and long time ago buried gold is very seldom - perhaps 1 out of 500 places, so it's stupid focussing on gold only and frustrating alot customers that throw away there LRLs because they find nothing at all!

I could built the ionic detector and because I found that LM324N opamp also the Gold Gun AL718 out of scratch with some mods and alot additional experimenting but when I read the info of "hung" and your formerly Mineoro statements I wonder what's really right or wrong now and why those devices should work under brazil conditions and not with european.

btw. thanx for the nice pic - under what circumstances and from which distance did you found this cache?

Hi F. finder

This cache was found not more than 20 m distance and deep was 60 cm.
Was found with Pistoldetektor prototype ,one copy of the original,this you can see in yootube working as demonstration.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

Hi Morgan,

Thanx for the answer. It is great that you have tested and selfmade such ionic detectors but there are some points generally very mysterious:

@ "Mineoro FG79 Price?" in Post #7 from 2008 you've been totally against them:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=mineoro+fg79
Is this because those devices doesn't work outside of Brazil - not in equation with different ionic-fields or something? If so, is there a Mineoro Model that works everywhere and do you still have some to sell?

Next:
@ LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator Page 5
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=14731&page=5
hung in post #116 wrote:


Yesterday I saw at:
http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/finding_mexico.php#
that the PDC210 no longer is produced but replaced by the much more sensitive FG80.

What does this mean?
Was hung right with his test results or was it a lie and is the PDC210 better?

@ "new mineoro video" hung also found a piece of copper-tube in an ancient city - post 7 - just from a month ago:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...ht=copper+tube

Again with the PDC210.
I guess the PDC210 is much better because it also shows other metal-signals.

As you said, large and long time ago buried gold is very seldom - perhaps 1 out of 500 places, so it's stupid focussing on gold only and frustrating alot customers that throw away there LRLs because they find nothing at all!

I could built the ionic detector and because I found that LM324N opamp also the Gold Gun AL718 out of scratch with some mods and alot additional experimenting but when I read the info of "hung" and your formerly Mineoro statements I wonder what's really right or wrong now and why those devices should work under brazil conditions and not with european.

btw. thanx for the nice pic - under what circumstances and from which distance did you found this cache?

About MINEORO

Yes,i´m against the huge prices of mineoro products and the propaganda of LRL performance are not true.
Until now i get results with my DC2008 model,thats becouse i stop sell my MINEORO,i find that it can work but NOT AS THEY PUT IN THE SITE. Mineoro DC2008 work very defective when is to find objects in gold.

My finds with DC2008 :

Large silver coin 4 meters distance (only sparzed sounds around the target,impossible to pinpoint)

Golden buckle (similar distance,sparzed sounds around,not possible to pinpoint)

A few objects in the beach (the same behavior)

treasure i never found with MINEORO,but i think is possible.

So you can build one LRL project,i think results will be the same,and you save your money.

[Funfinder]

Thx morgan and it's very good you bring the important facts up: "Not working as described".

Sparzed sounds from a detector that costs 1000s of dollars... - even if 4m for a coin is a respectable distance!
But what you do if the sounds vanish in thin air or the pinpointing with an usual MD fails...


We need reliable equipment and signals - we also don't use shovels made out of cardboard - we have to analyze the real potential and "quality" and don't rely on "good looking" advertisment infos!

What I'm missing is the shielding in other directions! I built a cantenna for WLan WiFi and worked alot with antennas and ant.amps and have 3 sat-dishes on the roof and they all work directional!

So how a LRL should work properly if it receives "ball-like" the EM-disturbances from all directions? And this is even if the antenna has some "directive form" as long as it is not properly shielded or housed in a metal-tube like my USB Stick cantenna below, which still has a 45° working field.

The Mineoro is in a wooden box because of reducing static electricity-fields and I doubt it has a directional shielding inside at all.

Before I will put many hours in electronical building, engineering, testing and finetuning work:

Please tell me if the ionic-electrostatic field detector from 2008 found here:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14731
is the best choice or do exist better schematics meanwhile? The same question about the Alonso PistolDetector (is this the same as Gold Gun AL718?) you and Geo prefer.

Of course I will tell you in return if I'll find out any improvements (of course I will make them), because I can put really exTreme huge effort into something and can make excessive tests, too.

[Astrodetect]

Hi
My opinion is that if you want directivity by electromagnetic fields in these LRL's it is difficult to acomplish because the frequencies involved are too low with huge wavelengths, therefore the best way to have precise directivity as an LRL is by infrared detection, like Esteban has shown.
Regards

[takhslambos]

Originally Posted by Morgan

WHAT IS ICONOS ???

Long Range Locator,work electromagnetic resonance,head with Gold sample.The same is MINEORO DCH 85.

Some people buy this devices and want to find treasure in the garden,very funny,if not find,they become unappy...This need a lot of expeditions and tests,and probably in 500 places can be found one treasure.
About distances,this LRL´s can found treasure 80 meters,and gold coin (with sparzed signals) not more than 10 meters,always need metal detector for pinpoint. The great distances they put in their sites are ILUSION.

I not give advice here for people by this expensive detectors,i say better try to build similar device with low cost price (see my threads )and try in the fields,results will be the same.

Regards

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WHAT ABOUT THIS WHITE ONE PD?IS BETTER THAN THE BLACK ONE?

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by takhslambos

WHAT ABOUT THIS WHITE ONE PD?IS BETTER THAN THE BLACK ONE?

This PD in the photo (with silver coins) is the clone,it works very good.
But the original works better.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by takhslambos

WHAT ABOUT THIS WHITE ONE PD?IS BETTER THAN THE BLACK ONE?

Both are in same working condition - both cannot detect nothing in soil: not from remote, nor from vicinity.

Except if targets are buried by yourself - than you detect not by PD, but by SD (Self Deception).

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by WM6

Both are in same working condition - both cannot detect nothing in soil: not from remote, nor from vicinity.

Except if targets are buried by yourself - than you detect not by PD, but by SD (Self Deception).

To be slightly pedantic - self deception applies to dowsing gadgets and certain electronic LRLs, but the PD does have a real T/R metal detector built-in (a Heathkit GD348 ) and therefore is actually capable of detecting metal buried in the ground. The debate surrounds the claimed medium-range detecting ability, not the short-range. By the way, I say "medium-range" because the PD does not claim to be a long-range detector. The term "long-range" is reserved for the idiotic claims of target detection measured in kilometers.

[hung]

See Morgan?
Now you might understand what I told you in our email group about these skeptics not suceeding in replicating the PD. After wrong schematics, inverted transistors and wacky theories of operation, they never understood what was going on.

From what he said above, you can testify they know even less now about it, than they did 2 years ago.

Alonso can sleep peacefully.
You can sleep peacefully.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

To be slightly pedantic - self deception applies to dowsing gadgets and certain electronic LRLs, but the PD does have a real T/R metal detector built-in (a Heathkit GD348 ) and therefore is actually capable of detecting metal buried in the ground.

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Agree, but not deeper in soil as the worst Chinese metal detector. Agree that this "PD" can be used as bad MD in soil, but not as LRL PD.

If one try to use it as LRL PD it covert to EDR (Electronic Dowsing Rod) in his hand and all detecting operation to dowsing self deception.