Sultans of LRL

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Are you saying that Carl, DID indeed pull a speaker coil glued to a potententiometer casing from the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems - Omnitron GS pro, without your knowing it to be a fact, or truth? What happened to your first party inclusion of "WE" ? Dell

Hi Dell,
We includes everyone who saw Carl's photo and read this forum including you.

We are the same people who take the word of scientist who say the earth is round, even though we have not traveled to space to see it first hand, nor has the scientist. This includes you, unless you are a member of the Flat Earth Society.

We are the same people who believe that the sports event we read about in the news paper really happened, even though we were not there, and we know the sports reporter was not there to see most of the events he is reporting the results for. This includes you, unless you are calling the sports reporters liars.

We are the same people who saw Carl's photo and read this forum including you. At least I assume this includes you after reading what you posted:
"I certainly have reason to doubt Carl, finding the item in the Pro-GS". But now I begin to wonder if you are changing your story, when I read your words: "Carl's amazing far fetched, discovery".

I wouldn't want to speculate about your hidden meaning, so tell us Dell,

Are you claiming that Carl did not pull a speaker coil glued to a potentiometer casing from the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro or not?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Dell,
We includes everyone who saw Carl's photo and read this forum including you.

We are the same people who take the word of scientist who say the earth is round, even though we have not traveled to space to see it first hand, nor has the scientist. This includes you, unless you are a member of the Flat Earth Society.

We are the same people who believe that the sports event we read about in the news paper really happened, even though we were not there, and we know the sports reporter was not there to see most of the events he is reporting the results for. This includes you, unless you are calling the sports reporters liars.

We are the same people who saw Carl's photo and read this forum including you. At least I assume this includes you after reading what you posted:
"I certainly have reason to doubt Carl, finding the item in the Pro-GS". But now I begin to wonder if you are changing your story, when I read your words: "Carl's amazing far fetched, discovery".

I wouldn't want to speculate about your hidden meaning, so tell us Dell,

Are you claiming that Carl did not pull a speaker coil glued to a potentiometer casing from the epoxied portion of a Dell Systems GS Pro or not?

Best wishes,
J_P

The answer is very simple ... it comes down to trust.
Do you trust Carl, when he says that he found a speaker coil glued into a potentiometer casing inside a Dell Systems GS Pro, or do you trust the word of Dell?
Personally, I know whose side I'm on, and it's not the one who has the same name as a famous computer vendor.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

The answer is very simple ... it comes down to trust.
Do you trust Carl, when he says that he found a speaker coil glued into a potentiometer casing inside a Dell Systems GS Pro, or do you trust the word of Dell?

Hmmm... That is an interesting point. We see two conflicting points of view, and try to decide where the truth lies.

When it comes to "who do you believe", most people look at things like credentials and a track record, what have they accomplished? what do they produce? What things do they do consistantly well?

I can't say I agree with Carl all the time, but there is no doubt in my mind that he doesn't fabricate stories about what he finds inside a LRL when he takes it apart. I've seen too many of his photos that look exactly like photos that others have taken, and I don't believe he has time or the inclination to start playing fake-report games. One thing I think we all noticed about Carl is he gives us a straight answer, and a knowledgable answer to just about any technical question we could ask, and isn't afraid to say if he doesn't know an answer.

I suppose you could also say Dell doesn't fabricate stories, and possibly he doesn't lie if you consider the logic of "since I wasn't there, I don't know for certain what happened". However, I can't say I feel like I hear many straight answers from him. If I wanted to know a simple answer, I would not expect to get the answer from Dell.

But in order to decide what to believe about the facts, it is not necessary to pick sides. you only need to collect what information you consider helpful to decide what you should believe is correct. Based on everything I have seen and read, I think that if conclusive tests were done, they would show that the speaker coil did come from a Dell Systems GS Pro, as Carl said. I think testing of samples of the epoxy on the coil would prove it is the same epoxy in the GS Pro. But I also think enough research would show that Dell did not put the coil in the epoxy. My guess is it was set in epoxy by whoever built the GS Pro for Dell, and Dell was probably not aware that it was in there.

Now if I am right, it does leave a curious question... Why was it there?

My first thought was that whoever was pouring the epoxy had some junk on the shelf above that fell while the epoxy was wet. Maybe he tried to fish all the junk out, but missed a part. Then I got to thinking... What would an electronics manufacturer be doing with a speaker coil glued into a pot casing anyway? That thing looks like some teen-age hacker's project. Is it possible this coil was intended to go into the epoxy? Perhaps it's purpose was to be a mechanical spacer of some sort, or maybe a gage to tell when you added enough black pigment to make the epoxy opaque? Maybe it is a decoy, so if people dissolve the epoxy, they will think they found a mysterious part that does some treasure locating magic.

Or maybe it is not a decoy... Maybe it is supposed to be some kind of passive inductor to help direct the "signal line". Who knows? We are talking about a Gs Pro that comes with the buzzer that shorts a battery across two L-rods. If that is supposed to do something, then why not a speaker coil in a pot?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

"Did you sell any GS-Pro's that contained a speaker voice coil stuck inside a potentiometer casing, that was then encased in epoxy?"


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Winders
Certainly not that I am aware of, nor do I know of any reason for it.

I think this response pretty much sums it up. Complete denial of everything.

Tim, I hope you're reading along. Perhaps now you see why, when you hang out with the LRL crowd, it reflects on your integrity in a very bad way. You have Jim Thomas stuffing Radio Shack AM radio guts into a box, and selling it for $1595. You have Bob Fitzgerald selling dowsing rods filled with sand, and electronic junk for $19,995. And Dell Winders putting scrap pieces in epoxy, and denying any knowledge of it when he's exposed.

This is all very typical of the LRL industry. Are these the people you want to be associated with?

Carl, I realize your back is to the wall, and your libelous untruths about me, and others, are closing in on you, but you are really grasping for straws trying to associate me with other vendors in the LRL industry.

Trying to cover up yours, Sam's, and Randi's, slander agenda and misdeeds against me with further inferences, innuendo, or gossip mongering will not help your credibility. You are responsible for the libelous content of this website, and accountable for it. Dell

[Dell Winders]

Why Dell Winders is not a television weather man
Welcome to the Skunkland theatre!
Tonight's presentation stars Dell Winders, playing a television weather man in the fictitious city of Skunkland. Put on your seatbelts and prepare for the premier episode of Dell in Skunkland, where you will learn why Dell chose a career in LRL sales instead of television weather man:


News Announcer: ...so that wraps up the world news. And now for the weather with our own weatherman, Dell Winders. So do you think we will have rain tonight, Dell?

Weatherman Dell: That's a bald faced lie!! I never said we would have rain tonight and you know it! It is a total LIE, from you and your unscroupulous newscaster friends. You are all habitual LIARS, spreading your deception to serve a questionable agenda.
I have over 40 years experience watching the weather. Who the h**l are you to come here and spread lies about the weather?
Did it rain last night or the night before? Noooooooo.!! I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS THERE. WERE YOU? For that matter, how come you're still here?

News Announcer: Ummm...Dell, do you think we could get on with tonight's weather so we don't run out of time?

Weatherman Dell: ANOTHER LIE..!! It's hard to argue with with absurd logic. For the record, I did not start the lie about it raining tonight. Roll back the tape and you will see who is guilty of ignorant, stupid, devious rumors about tonight's weather, and tried to blame it on me. If there is any problem of running out of time, then it was your ignorance that caused it.... Or should I say lie? I have been truthful about everything I said, while you continue with your lieing inferences. Do you have any more lies to make up about me tonight, or are you satisfied with your BS for the day?
Dang you... now look what you did... We're out of time... we got to go to commercial. It looks like your devious trick worked! Are you happy now?

Television viewer... Geez... I just wanted to know what the weather forecast is... I think I'll click to a different station...
[Click] ...yes take out your umbrellas tonight folks, it's starting to rain!

Be sure to check back next week for more...
no actually that was terrible there probably won't be anymore...
of the Skunkland Theatre!

Best wishes,
J_P

Good work, JP.

It is another of the many examples of the mentality of Skeptics, seeking each others peer recognition on this forum.

It's an exercise in futility for me to repeatedly answer the same asinine questions where honesty is mocked and unappreciated. So, I think I will go back to the Treasure forums where I share a common interest with rational, open minded people.

It's been entertaining. Delll

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

It's an exercise in futility for me to repeatedly answer the same asinine questions where honesty is mocked and unappreciated.

Answer questions? I thought you were repeatedly calling people liars.

In all your so called answers, I don't see anything you said to convince me any of these people told any lies. In fact I don't see much of anything you said that contains any useful information. I think I already learned long ago that you will call anyone a liar and part of a devious agenda who dares to say they think your LRL gizmoes can't be demonstrated to do what they are depicted to do in a double blind test. Repeating it continually doesn't teach me anything new.

But I did learn one new thing from you: If I ever decide I want to call someone a liar, I can simply say they weren't there, so they don't know what they were talking about. This should work fine for proving that snake oil cured a person with aids as well as proving no man ever set foot on the moon, or even proving an LRL found lots of coins in the sand. And it gives me a perfect alibi to call the skeptic a liar. The problem is, I just don't think I can bring myself to use that kind of logic.

If you ever decide to demonstrate your LRLs finding and recovering treasures like they are depicted to do on your web page, be sure to videotape it. I would be very interested to see how well they work.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

...It is another of the many examples of the mentality of Skeptics, seeking each others peer recognition on this forum.

I like the Skeptics with big "S" .
I guess there is the Skeptics, and the Sellers.
And an hypotetical race,the Buyers...
Both sharing the same Galaxy ,with their secrets and their questions ...
Fred.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Good work, JP.

It's an exercise in futility for me to repeatedly answer the same asinine questions where honesty is mocked and unappreciated. So, I think I will go back to the Treasure forums where I share a common interest with rational, open minded people.

It's been entertaining. Delll

Same old duck and run tactic you've used for years. <<<yawn>>>

[Carl-NC]

Dell,

Drove by your house last night, sorry I couldn't stop by but it was midnight and I was just too tired. I'll drop in another time.

- Carl

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Carl, I realize your back is to the wall, and your libelous untruths about me, and others, are closing in on you, but you are really grasping for straws trying to associate me with other vendors in the LRL industry.

Trying to cover up yours, Sam's, and Randi's, slander agenda and misdeeds against me with further inferences, innuendo, or gossip mongering will not help your credibility. You are responsible for the libelous content of this website, and accountable for it. Dell

Dell why do you keep it up?
You lie so much that you have to lie to lie.
But if you can sell one bent wire you will lie.
How can you build a LRL and not know simple electronics or is that a lie.
Even my boy knows what a speaker coil looks like.
Dell you do know what a speaker coil looks like do you?
One thing you do do well is to use your snake tounge.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Dell why do you keep it up?
You lie so much that you have to lie to lie.

Years of practice and self denial.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Years of practice and self denial.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK.

He could always try with weather predictions...

Dell what about tomorrow forecast... use your pendulum stuff...

[olympios]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Carl, I realize your back is to the wall, and your libelous untruths about me, and others, are closing in on you, but you are really grasping for straws trying to associate me with other vendors in the LRL industry.

Trying to cover up yours, Sam's, and Randi's, slander agenda and misdeeds against me with further inferences, innuendo, or gossip mongering will not help your credibility. You are responsible for the libelous content of this website, and accountable for it. Dell

Back in the Summer of 1996, I bought a unit from Dell Winders. It was a unit with two rods connected to a small box, and a larger box with two probes that you have to stick to the ground. If I remember well, it was called Omnitron system II, or something like that. I was living in Alaska at that time, and I phoned Dell (internet was limited in 1996) and he told me that the operator of the device does not need to have dowsing abilities in order to use it. He also told me that I was welcome to go to Florida for a demonstration, and that he was living in a trailer with an extra room for visitors. I paid something like $600.00 back then, got the device and a few months later I went to Greece where I spent the next five years. I practiced for countless hours in the next few months and I learned NOTHING! The device would not respond. Then my brother was interested in trying but after a few weeks he came out with the same results. Just to make sure that maybe there was something wrong with us, we also had some friends to try using the unit. Nothing. Then I took it to a person that is a successful dowser in our area, and after a few hours of testing he told me that the only thing useful is the rods (for a dowser), the unit is useless as it does... nothing! And the rods were not that good either. He said he had better ones!
So, I took the unit to my father's farm, open the box and cleaned out the useless electronics, and used the box as a nest for pidgeons!!! At least I found a good use for it, lol.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by olympios

Back in the Summer of 1996, I bought a unit from Dell Winders. It was a unit with two rods connected to a small box, and a larger box with two probes that you have to stick to the ground. If I remember well, it was called Omnitron system II, or something like that. I was living in Alaska at that time, and I phoned Dell (internet was limited in 1996) and he told me that the operator of the device does not need to have dowsing abilities in order to use it. He also told me that I was welcome to go to Florida for a demonstration, and that he was living in a trailer with an extra room for visitors. I paid something like $600.00 back then, got the device and a few months later I went to Greece where I spent the next five years. I practiced for countless hours in the next few months and I learned NOTHING! The device would not respond. Then my brother was interested in trying but after a few weeks he came out with the same results. Just to make sure that maybe there was something wrong with us, we also had some friends to try using the unit. Nothing. Then I took it to a person that is a successful dowser in our area, and after a few hours of testing he told me that the only thing useful is the rods (for a dowser), the unit is useless as it does... nothing! And the rods were not that good either. He said he had better ones!
So, I took the unit to my father's farm, open the box and cleaned out the useless electronics, and used the box as a nest for pidgeons!!! At least I found a good use for it, lol.

You use the box for a pidgeons nest,and can use the rods as antenna for TV,but anyway 600 $ its a lot of money for this...

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by olympios

So, I took the unit to my father's farm, open the box and cleaned out the useless electronics, and used the box as a nest for pidgeons!!! At least I found a good use for it, lol.

Perhaps the knowledge that Dell was simply selling a device that someone else made, that he had no idea what was actually inside, that he is in no way responsible for anything you found out about the product, and that nothing is ever his fault, makes you feel a little less bitter about the whole episode.

Someone loaned me an Omnitron II a while back. I'm sure I took some photos, will have to dig them out so you can re-live those glorious memories.

- Carl

[olympios]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

.........
Someone loaned me an Omnitron II a while back. I'm sure I took some photos, will have to dig them out so you can re-live those glorious memories.

- Carl

Lol, thanks Carl. If I remember well, the unit was in a grey soft plastic bag/case that had a tag or label that said "TRAVELER" or "VOYAGER" on it. I remember this because some people asked me if that is the name brand, and I told them "No, that's... me; a tourist."

[mosha]

Originally Posted by olympios

So, I took the unit to my father's farm, open the box and cleaned out the useless electronics, and used the box as a nest for pidgeons!!! At least I found a good use for it, lol.

your birds should know mental dowsing, otherwise you will not have eggs.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

The answer is very simple ... it comes down to trust.
Do you trust Carl, when he says that he found a speaker coil glued into a potentiometer casing inside a Dell Systems GS Pro, or do you trust the word of Dell?

Actually, it doesn't even come down to trust. With LRLs, I've repeatedly told folks not to take my word for anything: "Look, and see for yourself." When other people have opened up the same LRLs I've opened -- Ranger-Tell, Electroscope, Treasure Scope -- they've all found the same things I've found.

Anyone who would rather not take my word for what I found in a GS Pro is encouraged to find a GS Pro on their own and open it up. Then you won't have to believe, you will know. And knowing is always better than believing.

- Carl