LRL questions.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

We've been through this point before.
If I tell you that I believe there's a tea tray in orbit about the Earth, it's not up to you to prove me wrong. It's up to me to prove that there actually is a tea tray in orbit about the Earth...

Exactly, and this is also the interest of those devices manufacturer.To (seriously) prove that they work would bring them unconditional success forever.So i don´t understand why we don´t do it...
Fred.

[olympios]

Gentlemen.
I'm gonna jump in here... after all, I started this thread, lol.
Some of you believe that LRLs work as advertised. Some of you, don't. My own experience is this: I have personally seen dowsers locate water very accurately, several times. A friend of mine (electrician), he uses a piece of copper wire, bent in "L" shape, to locate wires in walls. Now, What puzzles me is the fact that all those dowsers were never able to lacate items, like jewelry, that I had hidden! So, I do believe that dowsing is possible and that some people do have this ability to find only certain things.
As for LRLs, based on my own experience with two different devices (Omnitron II and OmniRange), they do not work. They were tested by me and several other people and the results were negative. Also, reading in several forums, only the people that sell them insist that they work!!! There is, however, a possibility that they probably work only if the person is also a dowser, but I'm not a dowser so I can not confirm this.
These are my own experiences, based on what I have actually seen first hand and not hearsay. Now, what happened between Carl and those other guys, and who backed-off and who didn't, doesn't make any difference to me, and doesn't change the fact that LRLs do NOT work! They might work if you were a dowser but this is not what the manufacturers advertise. In fact, they claim that you don't have to be a dowser in order to have them work for you. Desides, I think it is too stupid to pay thousands of dollars for a hundred dollar device. They say that they sell technology!!!??? Technology where? In a device that doesn't even work? LOL, what a joke!!!

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by olympios

I have personally seen dowsers locate water very accurately, several times. A friend of mine (electrician), he uses a piece of copper wire, bent in "L" shape, to locate wires in walls.

Water dowsing, pipe dowsing, and wire dowsing are all probability events. Water dowsing is extremely easy, most anyone can do it and be successful at it. It is not the least bit impressive.

For those who understand utilities and can read terrain, boxes, and meters, utility (pipes, etc) dowsing is not very difficult. As a teenager I worked for an irrigation company and saw dowsing used several times to find pipes, almost always where we figured the pipe would be anyway. But I also saw some spectacular failures, where dowsing was horribly wrong. (This started my skepticism!)

Same with locating wires in a wall. I did all my own wiring when I built my house, and I could probably figure out with pretty good accuracy how wires are routed in other houses. It's largely common sense, for those who know wiring.

What you may have seen are a few successes, but I expect there were also a lot of failures you never saw, where their intuition was just wrong. If you had your electrician friend do a simple test where he tried to locate a movable wire in a wall (or on the other side of a wall), you would find he is not as good at dowsing as you think, he is just a good electrician.

This is why scientific testing is so important. Our senses are easily fooled, and we have very selective memories. Dowsing doesn't hold up under scientific investigation, no matter if it's water, pipes, wires, or treasure.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Fred

Exactly, and this is also the interest of those devices manufacturer.To (seriously) prove that they work would bring them unconditional success forever.So i don´t understand why we don´t do it...
Fred.

I do!