H3Tec discussion

[Dave J.]

Originally Posted by Rudy

This is a very grave situation indeed.

Quick, fetch the Thomas Gravitator from the medicine cabinet!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

This pressure is the result of the 'creator's vibration' over an infinite point within the universe and maintains the atmosphere of all planets. And this is very easy to understand.

We can only conclude from your posts that you are either schizophrenic; there is more than one person posting as "Hung"; or you use a lot of cutting and pasting ... or a combination of all three. This is clearly evident in your various posts - ranging from sheer rants to almost lucid.

However, your quote above is yet another demonstration that your ideas are nothing more than a confused and disjointed set of concepts, cobbled together from the ramblings of other pseudo-scientists and search engine results.

What on earth is meant by the "creator's vibration"? Are you now saying that a deity was involved somewhere in your confused view of the universe? What this even has to do with the title of this thread (H3Tec discussion) is anybody's guess. Please also define the meaning of "infinite point within the universe". This is just gobbledygook.

Some people on TNET may be impressed by your ability to string random words together into a sentence (complete with spelling and grammatical errors) but you will have to try much harder here on Geotech ... much much harder.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

What on earth is meant by the "creator's vibration"? Are you now saying that a deity was involved somewhere in your confused view of the universe?

It is not about deity. Term originates from Pamela A. She named her vibro-thing "Creator". But Hung forgot that she never use it from remote, so it is not valid as Hungs LRL proof.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

What on earth is meant by the "creator's vibration"?

The same 'vibration' the creator in 'his' infinite goodness provides for pathetic creatures such as yourself as an opportunity to come to this world to evolve.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by hung

...No, it's not I who state this. It's our friend Math.
The universe.
This is very interesting.
You and some others here, seem to comprehend electronics and physics to some extent. Actually there are no genius among us. We are just human beings who keep learning as we go along.
But there is a difference between you people and some of us. Note that I include others here.
You people think that the amount of physics you know accounts sufficiently to explain everything INCLUDING WHAT CANNOT BE.
This is stupid. This is idiotic. And this only accounts for the IGNORANCE that reigns here.It should exactly be the opposite. You and others here should be the first ones to state and admit honestly that you are not able to make afirmations about certain apparently unexplained phenomena because the physics you know cannot explain.
This would be the honest man position. But no. You try to deny the color TV simply because a B&W set is all you got.
Long range detection of metals is so simple. So silly. Yet you pose this subject as something supernatural.
Poor fellas.

Evolution is happening right now for all quanta beings in this planet, whether you like it or not.
Evolving is an unstoppable process inherent to all beings in this planet.
And this also includes you pal.

What?
Dr. hung is teaching more HungScinece?

Ok... here we go again....

"It's our friend, math"...
Math? As I recall, the hero who you plagiarized your scribblings from is a deposed physicist who was shown to be fraudulently trying to win a Nobel Prize for his ECE theory until it was discovered he does not even know basic math needed to solve matrix equations that a first year physics student knows. Is it any wonder that his theories about physics didn't work, and were ultimately discarded by real physicists some time before he lost his job teaching physics? Can you demonstrate any equipment at all to work in front of skeptical witnesses that uses his theories to accomplish something useful?

Dr. hung claims the theories of Myron Evans and his math are responsible for the underlying principles that prove dowsing and LRLs work. No need to prove it with demonstrations when we have the deposed Myron Evan's theory that is unquestionably correct. But Evans has never been able to demonstrate any useful working mechanism that utilizes his theories... No problem. Hung's research team proved it:

Originally Posted by hung

I had a research team which was developing a project which completely have ‘blown’ some accepted standards of quantum mechanics. I will never tell this because besides the fact I’m not allowed to, it’s too much, incredibly dangerous. ...thank God all went fine and stoped in time. What purpose served this? To demonstrate EXACTLY what Evans states in his speech...

From: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=32
Well, he almost proved it. It appears it was too dangerous to talk about the project or the results, but we all know we can trust Hung. What he says is really true. No need for publishing any results or demonstrations.

So we see how "math is our friend" even when the math used to prove the theory is full of mistakes. Of course the final test of demonstrating working equipment to prove the mistaken math and theories really works cannot be shown. It's a secret. So secret that Hung can not even talk about it. (of course he really proved the Evans ECE theory is true with his incredibly dangerous experiments, but he is not allowed to tell, or perhaps he never had a team that worked on a project which proved Evans mistaken theories are really true)?


"Actually there are no genius among us. We are just human beings who keep learning as we go along".
We? Maybe most of us do. But it seems there are a few who never seem to learn unless they can find their information from sources that have been shown to be wrong, using math that does not work to produce theories that cannot work to produce non-working equipment.


Long range detection of metals is so simple. So silly. Yet you pose this subject as something supernatural.
??? More fake BS that Dr. hung will never demonstrate in front of a skeptical witness?


Evolving is an unstoppable process inherent to all beings in this planet.
Actually, I have observed some living organisms regress to a lower life form on occasion.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

The same 'vibration' the creator in 'his' infinite goodness provides for pathetic creatures such as yourself as an opportunity to come to this world to evolve.

So this must be the "ranting Hung" that is replying here?

Presumably then, we can safely assume that you cannot answer the question. Just a little word of advice ... please try to use randomly-strung-together words that actually sound like they mean something.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Some people on TNET may be impressed by your ability to string random words together into a sentence (complete with spelling and grammatical errors) but you will have to try much harder here on Geotech ... much much harder.

no...no...no

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Some people on TNET may be impressed by your ability to string random words together into a sentence (complete with spelling and grammatical errors) but you will have to try much harder here on Geotech ... much much harder.

Originally Posted by Jim

no...no...no

What are you saying "no" to?
That anyone on TNET is even the slightest impressed by Hung's randomly-strung-together words, or that he should try much harder here on Geotech?
Or both?

My guess is that you don't want him to try harder. Probably nobody here wants that!

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

What are you saying "no" to?
That anyone on TNET is even the slightest impressed by Hung's randomly-strung-together words, or that he should try much harder here on Geotech?
Or both?

My guess is that you don't want him to try harder. Probably nobody here wants that!

That anyone on TreasureNet is even the slightest impressed by hung's randomly strung together words.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by hung

You are a perfect example of the people who has some understanding of science but is unable to think beyond the books they learned at school, also accepting certain things as true without even questioning what it really means.

I'll take that as a compliment coming from you.

This pressure is the result of the 'creator's vibration' over an infinite point within the universe and maintains the atmosphere of all planets. And this is very easy to understand.

If there was such a thing, by virtue of it being a vibration, one would expect it to be compressive during half its cycle and extensive during the other half, with an average of zero, no?

If no constant pressure existed to maintain the 'gaseous cap' that surrounds every Planet, it would expand itself to the vacuum as again, gases pocess the tendency to expand indefinetely.
Remember Torricelli? He did not come up with the conclusion that atmospheric pressure over a given surface is 13.6g X 76cm of the mercury column for nothing. But this pressure is only perceived at sea level. For each 10 meters of elevation, the column drops 1 milimeter. So, theoretically, at 76KM high, there should be no pressure anymore! But aerial currents were observed in variable altitudes. If these currents did not existed you would be smashed by the huge atmospheric pressure.

With all due respect to Torricelli, gravity accounts in large part for our atmosphere. It also helps that our earth has a magnetic dipole that also helps keep our ionized upper atmosphere from being lost, as well as protect us from the solar winds.

Our bodies were created to withstand the atmospheric pressure, indeed, they depend on that pressure for their survival.

It's a repulsion. If there were no repulsion between energy and magnetism, motors would not turn for instance. This same repulsion act in the nebulae. Light repels the magnetic fields, so the 'multitude' of stars from several galaxies provide a great repulsive force in the nebulae's matter making them 'escape' fom each other.
Think. It's known that light weights right? This weight is nothing more than pressure that it exerts over matter. If the Sun attracted, its light would have no weight, but an opposite agent.

Part of what you are saying is solar radiation. The other part is ... nonsense.

If only an atraction force existed, but no repulsion at all, our little planet would come against its own atraction point.
And before you bark that centrifugal force is the cause for this repulsion, Earth would make a spiral smashing itself to the point of atraction.
No, it's not I who state this. It's our friend Math.

Is the repulsion you are talking about the force that keeps nuclei from fusing together?

You and some others here, seem to comprehend electronics and physics to some extent. Actually there are no genius among us.

I am no genius. But I did spend 10 years working with physicists at Bell Telephone Laboratories in a research department. While there, I had the privilege of meeting several fascinating Nobel laureates. People like like Arno Penzias, Bill Shockley and Richard Feynman, who though not a Bell Labs employee, was a frequent guest researcher.

But there is a difference between you people and some of us. Note that I include others here.
You people think that the amount of physics you know accounts sufficiently to explain everything INCLUDING WHAT CANNOT BE.

Not at all. There are many things unexplained in current physics. But I do not take the explanations offered by charlatans, that have no rigorously developed theories backed by impeccable mathematics.

This is stupid. This is idiotic. And this only accounts for the IGNORANCE that reigns here.It should exactly be the opposite. You and others here should be the first ones to state and admit honestly that you are not able to make afirmations about certain apparently unexplained phenomena because the physics you know cannot explain.

To insist on anything else would be stupid and idiotic.

Long range detection of metals is so simple. So silly. Yet you pose this subject as something supernatural.
Poor fellas.

Then explain how its done without a lot of mumbo jumbo. If you have to resort to obscure pseudo-scientific theories from charlatans, that' not good enough. If you don't wish to take Carl's test, then come and visit me in a chauffeured driven Rolls Royce with a suit case full of hard currency. This would make me believe that you have applied those principles and used them to become incredibly wealthy.

[Saturna]

Originally Posted by hung

The same 'vibration' the creator in 'his' infinite goodness provides for pathetic creatures such as yourself as an opportunity to come to this world to evolve.

Ahh, yes. Scientific validity and, indeed, reality are always increased when religion is introduced.

[hung]

ll take that as a compliment coming from you.

Thanks. I knew I was right.

If there was such a thing, by virtue of it being a vibration, one would expect it to be compressive during half its cycle and extensive during the other half, with an average of zero, no?

There is no 'if' regarding the primary isotropic cause of all events. And no, what you infer above is absurd. Equilibrium forces to be kept do not allow antagonist periodic cycles.

Part of what you are saying is solar radiation. The other part is ... nonsense.

If you appear to mix the concept of solar radiation with that of sun light pressure, how can you state the rest is nonsense?
This is very typical in brains who cannot process a particular data and emits an escapist comand verbalized.

Is the repulsion you are talking about the force that keeps nuclei from fusing together?

No.
One more evidence that by not understanding the point, a refutal cannot be expressed.

I am no genius. But I did spend 10 years working with physicists at Bell Telephone Laboratories in a research department. While there, I had the privilege of meeting several fascinating Nobel laureates. People like like Arno Penzias, Bill Shockley and Richard Feynman, who though not a Bell Labs employee, was a frequent guest researcher.

Had you spent more time learning from these guys and less time taking pictures of them or talking amenities in fast food locations, you could have had at least an introductory view on vibrational states. Specially with Feynman.
But reading some of your 'beliefs' in a post to Don Jose unfortunately you sure wasted precious time.

Not at all. There are many things unexplained in current physics. But I do not take the explanations offered by charlatans, that have no rigorously developed theories backed by impeccable mathematics.

Finally I agree. But not all of them need to be theories. Just plain observations and common sense.

To insist on anything else would be stupid and idiotic.

Exactly.

Then explain how its done without a lot of mumbo jumbo. If you have to resort to obscure pseudo-scientific theories from charlatans, that' not good enough. If you don't wish to take Carl's test, then come and visit me in a chauffeured driven Rolls Royce with a suit case full of hard currency. This would make me believe that you have applied those principles and used them to become incredibly wealthy.

See? This is what I mean by 'escapist comand verbalized'. You organize ideas in a regular way then all of a sudden spits an incredible BS out of the blue like the one above.
Try to help and be useful to others sometimes.
It's good for the heart and keeps you in tune with the universe.




__________________

[WM6]

Originally Posted by hung

The same 'vibration' the creator in 'his' infinite goodness provides for pathetic creatures such as yourself as an opportunity to come to this world to evolve.

It seems that The Creator made some big reset of Universe Vibrator by dowsing rod, just in moment you come to this world.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Jim

That anyone on TreasureNet is even the slightest impressed by hung's randomly strung together words.

This seems to be a universal law. Maybe it's part of Hung Science.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

This seems to be a universal law. Maybe it's part of Hung Science.

I'll be willing to go out on a limb here....and simply say Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Thanks. I knew I was right.
There is no 'if' regarding the primary isotropic cause of all events. And no, what you infer above is absurd. Equilibrium forces to be kept do not allow antagonist periodic cycles.
If you appear to mix the concept of solar radiation with that of sun light pressure, how can you state the rest is nonsense?
This is very typical in brains who cannot process a particular data and emits an escapist comand verbalized.
No.
One more evidence that by not understanding the point, a refutal cannot be expressed.
Had you spent more time learning from these guys and less time taking pictures of them or talking amenities in fast food locations, you could have had at least an introductory view on vibrational states. Specially with Feynman.
But reading some of your 'beliefs' in a post to Don Jose unfortunately you sure wasted precious time.
Finally I agree. But not all of them need to be theories. Just plain observations and common sense.
Exactly.
See? This is what I mean by 'escapist comand verbalized'. You organize ideas in a regular way then all of a sudden spits an incredible BS out of the blue like the one above.
Try to help and be useful to others sometimes.
It's good for the heart and keeps you in tune with the universe.

And after all this baloney about "vibrational states", "black holes, etc., etc., the bottom line here is that you still believe in dowsing and dowsing-related devices, such as the Ranger Tell Examiner. Unbelievable!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Einstein

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

We can only conclude from your posts that you are either schizophrenic; there is more than one person posting as "Hung"; or you use a lot of cutting and pasting ... or a combination of all three. This is clearly evident in your various posts - ranging from sheer rants to almost lucid.

However, your quote above is yet another demonstration that your ideas are nothing more than a confused and disjointed set of concepts, cobbled together from the ramblings of other pseudo-scientists and search engine results.

What on earth is meant by the "creator's vibration"? Are you now saying that a deity was involved somewhere in your confused view of the universe? What this even has to do with the title of this thread (H3Tec discussion) is anybody's guess. Please also define the meaning of "infinite point within the universe". This is just gobbledygook.

Some people on TNET may be impressed by your ability to string random words together into a sentence (complete with spelling and grammatical errors) but you will have to try much harder here on Geotech ... much much harder.

It is not hard to determine where the source of Dr. hung's HungScience comes from.
Originally, it came mostly from the producers of Mineoro LRLs. We can read pages of hung posts dating back several years extolling the virtues of Damasio, producer of the Mineoro DC and FG long range treasure detectors. He was the original source of the gold DNA facts. But when it comes to general physics knowledge, Dr. hung ignored the disciplined explanations that were backed with actual mathematics and actually worked in practice to produce useful results that anyone could test and demonstrate. Instead of learning these principles, he focused on learning the theories which allowed for impossible mechanisms to work, such as free energy machines and LRLs.

Why?
Because he wanted to tell stories of how he invented some secret LRLs which find fabulous treasures. In lieu of showing any real evidence that his LRLs exist or found any treasure, he planned to tell stories of how they theoretically work, to convince people he is telling the truth. He figured his stories would also prove he is telling the truth about his fabulous recoveries and his brilliance for inventing better LRLs than any factory can. With any luck, he could reach the level of popularity and prestige that Esteban attained, who actually built experimental LRLs and showed photos of them, describing the components inside. By searching and finding physics theories that sound logical to a layman, he might be able trick people into thinking he actually invented and built working LRLs and made fantastic recoveries without actually showing any real evidence that he did.

It seemed like a cool plan, but there was one problem. It was easy to discover his sources. I was able to discover he had copied the writing found on Tom Bearden's website. But as it turned out, the writing he pasted actually came from Myron Evans website, an associate of Bearden who also had the same text on his website: http://174.132.129.189/~moreland/forums/showpost.php?p=52000&postcount=13

But where are these sources of pseudoscience?
We find many of Dr. hung's posts contain conglomerates of copy/paste and paraphrased text from a number of websites that are often found linked together on web pages dedicated to free energy, levitation, UFO conspiracies, and other pseudoscience websites. We discovered hung has been learning his physics from a number of quack physics promoters such as Myron Evans, Tom Bearden and others. As an example, Dr. hung once tipped us off to where we could find the sources for his science arguments when he posted here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=32

Originally Posted by hung

...WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU HAVE TO QUESTION EVANS, HUTCHINSON, CATHIE, FLAMARION, TT BROWN, ETC.???!

So there you have it...
You don't even need to listen to Dr. hung's HungScience teachings to know what his argument is.
You can read it directly from the source by visiting his favorite "science websites":

Myron Evans: http://www.aias.us/
Tom Bearden: http://www.cheniere.org/
John Hutchinson: http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/
Bruce Cathie: http://www.whale.to/m/cathie.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2190350/Wo...s-New-Zealand-
http://books.google.com/books?id=Alw...page&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=yc4...page&q&f=false
Camille Flammarion: http://www.archive.org/stream/atmosp...miala_djvu.txt
TT Brown: http://qualight.com/


So what's wrong with learning from these sources?
The theories are wrong, and recognizable as wrong by fatal errors in the math that invalidate the theories, and which are proven wrong by the failure to produce any working apparatus to operate using these theories.

Examples?

Myron Evans claims he revealed a unified theory of physics which unifies general relativity, quantum mechanics, and electromagnetism. The theory has been used to justify the motionless electromagnetic generator, a perpetual motion (over unity) machine that produces free power from a vacuum.

The problem:
1. The math Evans used to show how his version of a unified theory is wrong. It has not only math errors, but also logical errors and mis-applied math, with fatal errors that make the theory impossible to support theoretically. See details here: http://opensys.blogsome.com/2005/07/...myron-w-evans/
and here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pd.../0612026v1.pdf
And very fine detail here: http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/GCUFT.html
2. Evans theory is not published in the standard electronic archives, and no reference to ECE theory can be spotted in any of the peer reviewed scientific journals. It exists only on private websites where it is kept away from peer review.
3. There is no experimental data to back up the claims Myron Evans made for his unified theory, and a large mass of data to suggest he is wrong.
4. Since the time Myron Evans announced his unified theory and claimed we can get free energy from a vacuum, there has appeared no practical application of ECE theory which delivers any free energy from a vacuum as Myron Evans stated. The few attempts to build working apparatus resulted in failures which Myron Evans could not solve to provide the free energy he assured us is available. Nor have we seen any other application of anything useful from the flawed theories of Myron Evans.



Tom Bearden claims he did the following:
he unified Physics
revealed an exact scientifically proven method to cure cancer, leukemia and AIDS
revealed the "fundamental" secret of over-unity
revealed the "final secret" of free energy
showed how to deactivate radioactive materials
proved electromagnetism is a longitudinal phenomena like a sound wave
proved all the fundamentals of modern EM theory are wrong
proved that only "corroded" or "contaminated" materials are suitable for over-unity research. The worse the quality of the materials, the better
invented a "MEG" that outputs 7-100 times the amount of input power
deserves "more than a Nobel prize" for his work listed above

The problem:
1. The math Bearden used to calculate his free power machines shows he does not understand basic textbook physics. But worse, he doesn't understand the basic math needed for measuring power, such as P = VI = V²/R = I²R/ and the associated AC sine wave power equations. This is understandable considering he purchsed a fake PHD from Trinity College and University.
2. There is no experimental data to back up any of the above claims, and a large mass of data to suggest he is wrong.
3. In the past 7 years since he revealed all these secrets, invented the MEG over-unity generator, and revealed the final secret of free energy, we haven't seen a single example of any of his secrets working. Where is the free power? where are the new medical tools that cure cancer, leukemia and AIDs? See more of the details here: http://www.nuscam.com/pdf/case_study.pdf


Is there any use to continue down the list of sources for HungScience?
His sources are all examples of applying really bad math to an unrelated set of arbitrary information or to flawed logical arguments -- sometimes interlaced with references to the Bible, spiritism, ESP, UFOs and other interesting "physics proofs". Bruce Cathie actually started his research and theories after he had an encounter with a UFO sighting.


Maybe this explains why hung's posts make him appear either schizophrenic; there is more than one person posting as "Hung"; or he uses a lot of cutting and pasting ...
It also explains why he is wrong, and what drove him to learn from these pseudoscientist when he developed what we call HungScience.


When Rudy says "There are many things unexplained in current physics. But I do not take the explanations offered by charlatans, that have no rigorously developed theories backed by impeccable mathematics",....
We can now understand why Dr. hung replies: "Finally I agree. But not all of them need to be theories. Just plain observations and common sense".
We see how he needs to use "common sense" to "know he is right" instead of using math and the experimental evidence that proves he is wrong.
Hey, this method worked for all those pseudoscientists he learned from... why not for him?

(Hint: the sources hung learned from do not post in the Geotech forum. There is nobody answering their posts to tell them they are wrong. They continue as unchallenged hero's on forums that do not require they should be prepared to get challenged when they make extraordinary claims).


Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by hung

See? This is what I mean by 'escapist comand verbalized'. You organize ideas in a regular way then all of a sudden spits an incredible BS out of the blue like the one above.
Try to help and be useful to others sometimes.
It's good for the heart and keeps you in tune with the universe.

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results. Rather than a long response to your diatribe, I'll point you to J_P's post which is an excellent summary of your pseudo scientific delusions. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=317

[pebe]

Originally Posted by Rudy

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results. Rather than a long response to your diatribe, I'll point you to J_P's post which is an excellent summary of your pseudo scientific delusions. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=317

And only someone as thick as Hung would attempt to provide a counter argument to that!

[hung]

Originally Posted by Rudy

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results.

He,he,he. Actually the results produced the theories.

[Fred]

Man, this is getting serious.

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Err, ah, hmm, FRED, about the wording "HUNG"??? Is that essential to being a successful gigolo? Or does it have an unwarranted humiliating effect on many sceptics?

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s No, being a gigolo was never included in my worldly experiences, which J_P missed out on by being a model citizen, sigh, sniff.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

Err, ah, hmm, FRED, about the wording "HUNG"??? Is that essential to being a successful gigolo? Or does it have an unwarranted humiliating effect on many sceptics?
Don Jose de La Mancha
p.s No, being a gigolo was never included in my worldly experiences, which J_P missed out on by being a model citizen, sigh, sniff.

I don´t know DJ_LM , i am no specialist.But i wonder why, amongs several words, that one attracted your attention.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Rudy

See Hung, you can't even provide circumstantial evidence that any of your "theories" have actually produced results. Rather than a long response to your diatribe, I'll point you to J_P's post which is an excellent summary of your pseudo scientific delusions. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=317

Originally Posted by pebe

And only someone as thick as Hung would attempt to provide a counter argument to that!

Originally Posted by hung

He,he,he. Actually the results produced the theories.

You were right..!!!

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by hung

He,he,he. Actually the results produced the theories.

So, if you dowse long enough in enough locations with an LRL, you are bound to occasionally get lucky.

From these finds, you develop some theory as to why you were successful.

Pretty soon, you start to develop subordinate theories to explain the many occasions that you get skunked and find nothing (e.g. the rain the night before dissipated the ionic field, wind was too strong, ...).

Got it. I now understand.