rangertell examiner field trials

[Theseus]

Since dowsing (and the ideomotor effect) is not supposed to be part of what causes the Examiner to "work"; I hope you will test the unit with the handle clamped in some type of holding device, and with the unit level and with the proper key codes plugged in - bring the proper target close to the antenna so we can see the antenna (device) swing around and point towards the target you are holding, or placing in proximity to the Examiner.

Thanks, J_P, you are doing us all (and the world) a great service.

[Fred]

This is funny i have bougt exactly the same calculator a few days ago in a chinese store, (except that it is not witten "scientific calculator" on it).The price was 4.50€
The calculator is very accurate...

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Since dowsing (and the ideomotor effect) is not supposed to be part of what causes the Examiner to "work"; I hope you will test the unit with the handle clamped in some type of holding device, and with the unit level and with the proper key codes plugged in - bring the proper target close to the antenna so we can see the antenna (device) swing around and point towards the target you are holding, or placing in proximity to the Examiner.

Thanks, J_P, you are doing us all (and the world) a great service.

Hi Theseus,
I will put your requst in the repository of tests to make in the field.

I have seen a video of this test done on the Rangertell site some years ago, where the Examiner was clamped to the end of a metal pipe about 6 feet long that was held by an operator. The video showe the Examiner pointing to treasure as it was moved past the target. We can repeat that test as well as some others. One item of interest is I thought the operator needed to be holding the handle with his right hand in order to complete a capacitive coupling to ground. Maybe the clamped pipe acts as a conductor to the operator's right hand to keep this circuit alive. I will have to check that video again to see the details of how the pipe is connected at the ends and to see which hand(s) the operator is holding the pipe.

I have some very accurate instruments that can be used to check the leveling of the rangertell with the horizon, but it may be easier to calibrate a small non-metallic level bubble on top that an observer can watch to warn the operator if he is holding the Examiner tilted to one side or another.

I believe the Examiner is supposed to swing at a very slight incline upward against the force of gravity when passing a target. I'm not sure of this, but I will do some more reading to find out. This could make a more definite test if we can have the Examiner tilted down a few degrees to the front.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Theseus,
I will put your requst in the repository of tests to make in the field.

I have seen a video of this test done on the Rangertell site some years ago, where the Examiner was clamped to the end of a metal pipe about 6 feet long that was held by an operator. The video showe the Examiner pointing to treasure as it was moved past the target. We can repeat that test as well as some others. One item of interest is I thought the operator needed to be holding the handle with his right hand in order to complete a capacitive coupling to ground. Maybe the clamped pipe acts as a conductor to the operator's right hand to keep this circuit alive. I will have to check that video again to see the details of how the pipe is connected at the ends and to see which hand(s) the operator is holding the pipe.

I have some very accurate instruments that can be used to check the leveling of the rangertell with the horizon, but it may be easier to calibrate a small non-metallic level bubble on top that an observer can watch to warn the operator if he is holding the Examiner tilted to one side or another.

I believe the Examiner is supposed to swing at a very slight incline upward against the force of gravity when passing a target. I'm not sure of this, but I will do some more reading to find out. This could make a more definite test if we can have the Examiner tilted down a few degrees to the front.

Best wishes,
J_P

If the Examiner is clamped to a length of pipe and then the operator holds onto the other end of the pipe, this would not negate an ideomotor response, and hence would just be another dowsing contraption, complete with the same problems and errors.

To eliminate the possibility of an ideomotor response, the handle of the Examiner will need to be held in a fixture much like a camera tripod. If there is a requirement that a human must be electrically connected to it, then run a wire from the handle (or metal tripod) to the fingers of the operator. But in no other way can the operator touch the tripod.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

If the Examiner is clamped to a length of pipe and then the operator holds onto the other end of the pipe, this would not negate an ideomotor response, and hence would just be another dowsing contraption, complete with the same problems and errors.

To eliminate the possibility of an ideomotor response, the handle of the Examiner will need to be held in a fixture much like a camera tripod. If there is a requirement that a human must be electrically connected to it, then run a wire from the handle (or metal tripod) to the fingers of the operator. But in no other way can the operator touch the tripod.

Hmmm...
That might work if the tripod is insulated. Otherwise it would short direct to ground. I thought the video from the Rangertell site did show some sort of fixture to keep from tilting the Examiner while it was swept back and forth. I need to see if I can find those videos.

Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hmmm...

Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

J_P

J_P, maybe you need to upgrade to graphical calculator for your continent.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

J_P, maybe you need to upgrade to graphical calculator for your continent.

I have a Casio fx-300ES which seems to have all the same keys plus a solar power panel. This calculator has been certified to produce very accurate calculations in North America. When it was manufactured in China, the parent company from Tokyo apparently had the foresight to install brighter coloured keys and an English instruction manual. I am not sure the electronics inside are identical to the calculator on the Examiner, but I am guessing they are. After all, math works the same in most languages as far as I know.

But I will never know for sure, because the Casio fx-300ES won't fit in the holster for the calculator on the Examiner.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hmmm...
That might work if the tripod is insulated. Otherwise it would short direct to ground. I thought the video from the Rangertell site did show some sort of fixture to keep from tilting the Examiner while it was swept back and forth. I need to see if I can find those videos.

Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

Best wishes,
J_P

Well... whatever, but obviously all tilting and/or movement from the operator must be eliminated if the ideomotor effect is to be eliminated from the overall equation. Once that is done, then it is up to the key code and the internal circuitry to move the antenna towards the target. Period!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Well... whatever, but obviously all tilting and/or movement from the operator must be eliminated if the ideomotor effect is to be eliminated from the overall equation. Once that is done, then it is up to the key code and the internal circuitry to move the antenna towards the target. Period!

Hi Theseus,
Your objective should not be hard to accomplish. The problem with clamps and vices is they cause a short circuit to ground from the handle, thus bypassing the circuit through the body of the user. It shouldn't be too hard to rig up an insulated non-metallic bracket that the user can brace his hand against so it cannot move. Then a second person can walk past with a chunk of gold while we watch to see if the antenna tracks as usual.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Theseus,
.... Then a second person can walk past with a chunk of gold while we watch to see if the antenna tracks as usual.

Best wishes,
J_P

..... as usual, or as advertised and expected?