rangertell examiner field trials

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Jim

Along those lines...are there restrictions on what you can do? Did you make any promises of what you can make public?

I'm not trying to be an ***...but, I am getting this strange feeling that some reports will be held back, if they are not favorable for the manufacturer. I've never seen a "test" where the manufacturer called all the shots....like this one apparently is.

Hi Jim,
I have not made any scientific tests using the Examiner yet. I conducted some preliminary non-scientific tests to see if it would amazingly point to gold samples when the button sequences for gold were entered into the calculator. What I found is I could not get it to respond when trying this indoors except some intermittent responses that seemed to repeat at the same location on occasion. I repeated these non-scientific checks and did not see much change. Then I tried it again outdoors, and found similar responses, only when the sensitivity control was set to 4. Other people also tried the outdoor checks and observed the antenna pointing to a gold sample more often than it did for me. But none of these were scientific tests. We were only trying to verify if the Examiner was responding to targets, or if it was possibly damaged in shipment.

I agreed that I would not make public posts of test data until I verified the Examiner is functioning correctly. In fact I will not start the testing program until I am certain this Examiner is not damaged. I really don't want to waste my time scheduling scientific tests for a damaged piece of equipment. While there is no visible damage to the Examiner that can be seen from looking at it, I was cautioned that certain wires inside must not be moved. I can speculate that during shipment it is possible wires could move inside if the box bounced around with other boxes during shipment.

I would consider it reasonable that any manufacturer would want to make certain a test sample of his equipment is functioning properly before people publish test results on the sample. I imagine if you were a manufacturer of super deep metal detectors, and you sent one out to be tested, you would want to take some corrective measures if you heard back in preliminary report it wasn't detecting very deep. Wouldn't you want the testing person to make very specific adjustments and see if it responds before he began publishing test results, or possibly send it back for a replacement?

At present, I have no way to know if this Examiner was damaged due to moved wires in shipment, or if I have the controls adjusted wrong, or if I am one of the rare individuals who is biologically challenged and does not provide the necessary biological signal to the Examiner handle. What I do know is others have had better success than I had on the preliminary checks to see if it is damaged or not. After more people try it when making more adjustments to the antenna length, the sensitivity control, the temperamental setscrew, and trying more alternate "treasure frequencies", I will eventually arrive at a point where I can decide to begin the test program, or send it back for a replacement. Part of the delay is my schedule. I can only spend time with the Examiner when I am not busy in an office.

The preliminary checks (non-scientific tests to see if it is damaged or not) have all been documented in my electronic journal along with photos. These will be made public after the test program starts. If it turns out the initial testing I made was on a defective Examiner, this will be stated along with the tests results from a defective Examiner. Then new tests will also be shown on the replacement Examiner that was not damaged as well.
While I have been waiting to see some deciding evidence of this Examiner working or not, I have made some passive electronic tests to see what signals I can measure at the calculator and around the Examiner. These will also be made public after the test program starts. Hopefully I will see some specific preliminary results that will allow Rangertell to confirm this Examiner I have is not damaged in shipment.

But for now, the test program has not started, and will not start until I feel confident I am not testing a damaged piece of equipment.


P.S.
If you want to see some real testing without waiting an unknown length of time for someone to verify the Examiner is working correctly, you can can order your own Examiner for a discount sale price of $441 US. When you receive your own Examiner, then there are no restrictions on what you can do with it. You can test in any way you want, and you don't need to make any promises of what you can make public or not after you have paid the cost. It sounds like a high price for a chance to make tests. But hey, people pay a lot more for a chance to test their golf equipment at the country club.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Jim,
...While there is no visible damage to the Examiner that can be seen from looking at it, I was cautioned that certain wires inside must not be moved. I can speculate that during shipment it is possible wires could move inside if the box bounced around with other boxes during shipment...

Wires must not be moved? Sounds like there is something drastically wrong with the packing and shipping methods, since this may have happened to countless other devices shipped to who knows how many other customers. How many other units might there be out there with "moved wires" that are not functioning properly, and the owners are totally unaware of the situation?

At present, I have no way to know if this Examiner was damaged due to moved wires in shipment, or if I have the controls adjusted wrong..

Hmmm... I could understand how you wouldn't know if "wires were moved", but it should be crystal clear if the controls are adjusted correctly, since those adjustments are a function of the instructions available to ALL operators. If the instructions are confusing, as to control adjustment, then I could see how many other users might be suffering from the same problems, and would really be at a disadvantage to obtain correct and advertised results. Are the instructions for control adjustment lacking in clarity? And should be revised?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Theseus

If the instructions are confusing, as to control adjustment, then I could see how many other users might be suffering from the same problems, and would really be at a disadvantage to obtain correct and advertised results. Are the instructions for control adjustment lacking in clarity? And should be revised?

I'm surprised you ask such a question. Have you ever looked at any of RT's documentation, or at their website? Using the word "confusing" is being kind.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

I'm surprised you ask such a question. Have you ever looked at any of RT's documentation, or at their website? Using the word "confusing" is being kind.

Yeah... briefly.... I couldn't stand looking at it for any real length of time. I've seen third-graders put together better websites.

(My question was asked with a healthy bit of condescending sarcasm mixed in; much like many of the postings I have seen, of late.)

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Wires must not be moved? Sounds like there is something drastically wrong with the packing and shipping methods, since this may have happened to countless other devices shipped to who knows how many other customers. How many other units might there be out there with "moved wires" that are not functioning properly, and the owners are totally unaware of the situation?

You may be right about the packing methods. Take a look at how it was packed when I opened the box. There were none of the usual foam packing beads. The product wrapped in a layer of bubble wrap and taped to the bottom of the box.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=179

Originally Posted by Theseus

Hmmm... I could understand how you wouldn't know if "wires were moved", but it should be crystal clear if the controls are adjusted correctly, since those adjustments are a function of the instructions available to ALL operators. If the instructions are confusing, as to control adjustment, then I could see how many other users might be suffering from the same problems, and would really be at a disadvantage to obtain correct and advertised results. Are the instructions for control adjustment lacking in clarity? And should be revised?

Are the instructions for control adjustment lacking in clarity? And should be revised?
In my opinion, yes.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

If it takes so long just to know if the RT is working properly, i may consider buying another LRL .
There is plenty of choices out there, and with others this doesn´t seems to happen.I will wait a bit longer before i decide myself anyway.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Fred

If it takes so long just to know if the RT is working properly, i may consider buying another LRL .
There is plenty of choices out there, and with others this doesn´t seems to happen.I will wait a bit longer before i decide myself anyway.

Hi Fred,
Which ones are you considering to buy for yourself? A Dell directional rod, or a Mr. Stick?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Fred,
Which ones are you considering to buy for yourself? A Dell directional rod, or a Mr. Stick?

Best wishes,
J_P

AI want a high-tech one, i let you guess.

thesus,you can´t get peanuts for free.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Fred

thesus,you can´t get peanuts for free.

No. But they aren't that expensive either, and in the interests of making sure the item arrives in good working order - NO COST SHOULD BE SPARED.

[g-sani]

I have just had a look of how the RT was sent to you J_P and I was really surprised.
They could at least use some old newspaper around it to prevent it from going loose into the box.
I am planing to buy it myself and I will do it no matter this test but since of what I saw I have to remind RT to pack it more carefully for sure.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

You may be right about the packing methods. Take a look at how it was packed when I opened the box. There were none of the usual foam packing beads. The product wrapped in a layer of bubble wrap and taped to the bottom of the box.
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=179
Are the instructions for control adjustment lacking in clarity? And should be revised?
In my opinion, yes.

Best wishes,
J_P

Gosh. You would think that for as many units as he claims(??) to have sold, and to so many different locations(???); he would have a really good idea of how to pack them for shipment...... by now.

At the selling price of these things, seems like a few scoops of Styrofoam peanuts, or yesterday's waded up newspaper would be an easy way to insure it gets to a destination in good shape. Incidentally, was the parcel Insured for Loss or Damage during shipment?