PDK LRL

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

So any failure could be related to his skills or bad understanding of how to make it properly...

Right ?

Detecting big treasure is not problem by an absorptive antenna type. The problem is collect small item at some distance. I know a person that found medium Jesuitic treasure with it and he told was some difficult to centrate causes the "big signal".

[hillman]

hi to all hi esteban and morgan how i know if my detector mineoro 2008 is with IR or not ? thanks.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by hillman

hi to all hi esteban and morgan how i know if my detector mineoro 2008 is with IR or not ? thanks.

As IR can't trespassing the black tube, only opening it you can check. I know that 2008 is with IR. This is the IR inside.

[Esteban]

This is a kind of absorptive antenna, no many interferences collect it, but you can't use near TV on and other strong magnetic sources, also high voltage lines.

[Esteban]

Some tips...

[hillman]

thanks esteban ,so ihave to check it.

[Esteban]

This not check. I think if connect the shield part of the coaxial to negative and use the central cable as the loop, maybe can be more immune to interferences, ideas, ideas...

[Esteban]

General and simple system.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Max

like the gold I see in your avatar! Sure!

LETS CHANGE THE GOLD IN MY AVATAR FOR THE MACHINE GUN IN YOUR AVATAR. I WILL NEED THIS FOR MY PROTECTION WHEN GO TO LRL CHALLENGE IN AMERICA !!!

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

The same pictures in USA take in the 80s I was posted. This team found great quantity of items. I understand you're the only qualyfied witnesses! If you really are scientific-mind, so investigate whats happens begining the 80s in Texas, specially Fortworth, etc. And was TWO TRIPS, 81 and 84 (maybe 85). DO THE 1,000 WITNESSES ARE INVALID, ONLY YOU AND CARL? DO YOU ARE BLIND OR WHAT? Or you cannot believe was made in South America since 1959?

Morgan: If you go to USA, lets they pay your tickets and other expenses. You was very benign. Remember?

Wath is inside the box Esteban,did they found some treasure?

Regards

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Esteban

General and simple system.

Esteban, I see you have a closed loop and open loop, which do you prefer to use? Is that closed loop solid aluminum that you are showing?
This may be a dumb question but Have you tried part of an TV antenna for the loop?
Does it pickup iron, say larger stuff than nails?
Regards.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Morgan

LETS CHANGE THE GOLD IN MY AVATAR FOR THE MACHINE GUN IN YOUR AVATAR. I WILL NEED THIS FOR MY PROTECTION WHEN GO TO LRL CHALLENGE IN AMERICA !!!

Uhm I will make a real bargain !

Don't you know actual "price" of an old AK (or clone) is around 5$ today ?

Well... you'll not find at beverage store... but in some places (ops) they are really common.... one or two in each home...

Or your gold is fake ?

Of course... I have no AK... this is just a picture...

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by Steve in MS

Esteban, I see you have a closed loop and open loop, which do you prefer to use? Is that closed loop solid aluminum that you are showing?
This may be a dumb question but Have you tried part of an TV antenna for the loop?
Does it pickup iron, say larger stuff than nails?
Regards.

Hi,
it's easy. I think the idea is picking up some electromagnetic anomaly.

The idea behind ? What I think...

The short turn + toroid coil act like an IB transformer, the e.g. flux that chain with the loop generates a very small eddy current flowing in the closed aluminium turn. Normally the coil on toroid is about insensitive to the background noise cause the magnetic flux at toroid is inside the toroid... but when the eddy current flows inside it the toroid coil will get some coupled magnetic flux cause of flux lines that concentrate at inner side of it, thus offering some (limited) coupling with the signal at antenna loop.

It's like in some directive rf meters... just at right direction you can spot the emission cause of the geometric properties of loop coil and lose coupling of receiver transformer (right Esteban ?).

The second one, open loop is similar, but... instead of using magnetic coupling between the eddy current (and its magnetic field) and the receiver toroid core, you have the aluminium loop acting as a voltage generator (only ac will work) connected to the primary of a transformer (for impedance separation)... now... if a voltage will develop at aluminium turn you'll get a scaled value of that at output of transformer depending on turns ratio there...with hi impedance separation between loop and load.

Also this approach is common in old rf locating stuff... and meters.

The first approach I think is more easy cause you don't need perfect match of impedance required to get it work... the second is probably sensitive to the transformer construction more than one could think.

Now the problem is (one way or another): does it work ??? Could this approach pay as LRL ???

Kind regards,
Max

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Max

Hi,
it's easy. I think the idea is picking up some electromagnetic anomaly.

The idea behind ? What I think...

The short turn + toroid coil act like an IB transformer, the e.g. flux that chain with the loop generates a very small eddy current flowing in the closed aluminium turn. Normally the coil on toroid is about insensitive to the background noise cause the magnetic flux at toroid is inside the toroid... but when the eddy current flows inside it the toroid coil will get some coupled magnetic flux cause of flux lines that concentrate at inner side of it, thus offering some (limited) coupling with the signal at antenna loop.

It's like in some directive rf meters... just at right direction you can spot the emission cause of the geometric properties of loop coil and lose coupling of receiver transformer (right Esteban ?).

The second one, open loop is similar, but... instead of using magnetic coupling between the eddy current (and its magnetic field) and the receiver toroid core, you have the aluminium loop acting as a voltage generator (only ac will work) connected to the primary of a transformer (for impedance separation)... now... if a voltage will develop at aluminium turn you'll get a scaled value of that at output of transformer depending on turns ratio there...with hi impedance separation between loop and load.

Also this approach is common in old rf locating stuff... and meters.

The first approach I think is more easy cause you don't need perfect match of impedance required to get it work... the second is probably sensitive to the transformer construction more than one could think.

Now the problem is (one way or another): does it work ??? Could this approach pay as LRL ???

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max
You become more smart about LRL technology!!!

Of course it works...

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Steve in MS

Esteban, I see you have a closed loop and open loop, which do you prefer to use? Is that closed loop solid aluminum that you are showing?
This may be a dumb question but Have you tried part of an TV antenna for the loop?
Does it pickup iron, say larger stuff than nails?
Regards.

I prefer closed loop. Is solid aluminium, no TV antenna part. At this time this not pick iron or nails if you use low ohms in coil. Loops are made from aluminium solid pieces like these:

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Hi Max
You become more smart about LRL technology!!!

Of course it works...

Of course!!!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

Hi,
it's easy. I think the idea is picking up some electromagnetic anomaly.

The idea behind ? What I think...

The short turn + toroid coil act like an IB transformer, the e.g. flux that chain with the loop generates a very small eddy current flowing in the closed aluminium turn. Normally the coil on toroid is about insensitive to the background noise cause the magnetic flux at toroid is inside the toroid... but when the eddy current flows inside it the toroid coil will get some coupled magnetic flux cause of flux lines that concentrate at inner side of it, thus offering some (limited) coupling with the signal at antenna loop.

It's like in some directive rf meters... just at right direction you can spot the emission cause of the geometric properties of loop coil and lose coupling of receiver transformer (right Esteban ?).

The second one, open loop is similar, but... instead of using magnetic coupling between the eddy current (and its magnetic field) and the receiver toroid core, you have the aluminium loop acting as a voltage generator (only ac will work) connected to the primary of a transformer (for impedance separation)... now... if a voltage will develop at aluminium turn you'll get a scaled value of that at output of transformer depending on turns ratio there...with hi impedance separation between loop and load.

Also this approach is common in old rf locating stuff... and meters.

The first approach I think is more easy cause you don't need perfect match of impedance required to get it work... the second is probably sensitive to the transformer construction more than one could think.

Now the problem is (one way or another): does it work ??? Could this approach pay as LRL ???

Kind regards,
Max

Yes, those good conductive metals buried from long time causes an electromagnetic anomaly, and maybe the magnetic field of Earth distort a little here. Yes, I think electric and magnetic anomaly = electromagnetic.

Yes, works!!!

[Esteban]

Here some kinds. The black (with plastic) is aerial for distribute TV signals cable (gross coaxial). The round has the core inside the telephonic plug.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Yes, those good conductive metals buried from long time causes an electromagnetic anomaly, and maybe the magnetic field of Earth distort a little here. Yes, I think electric and magnetic anomaly = electromagnetic.

Yes, works!!!

Hi Esteban
This LRL with large antenna react only in big(not less than 10x10cm) hig conductive targets buried long time ago,a few meters distance. It works with BFO oscilator + ions detector.I want to put this for better reaction of small objects.
I dont have probleme to put schematic of this LRL here in the forum,no need closed forum for this,if you or others want i can put,for better understanding of LRL and the Phenomena of the eletromagnetic fields.
This device react strongly to the electrostatic energies.

Regards

[Esteban]

This deppend of you. But better if you obtain permission of constructor.

Regards

Esteban

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

This deppend of you. But better if you obtain permission of constructor.

Regards

Esteban

Hi Esteban

But this constructor is a friend with limited knolendge about LRL,he know the phenomena exist,and construct this device based on some informations,of course i have his permition. This device need some improvments to work perfect. If its not boring ,you can have a look on schematic.
I can put the schematic. I think you can advice me about better size of antenna or change some component values. The electronics inside are very simple,you can build one of this for you easily. its good also for LRL beginners. I´m sure no Heathkit inside. The circuit is unique BFO+ION generator.
I have problems with this one because not stable...But it works with the phenomena.The box should be constructed in wood.

Regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

This deppend of you. But better if you obtain permission of constructor.

Regards

Esteban

And let the skeptics laugh with this one LRL also...

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Morgan

And let the skeptics laugh with this one LRL also...

This is unstable because your BFO is unstable, but with a very good BFO you can do more.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

This deppend of you. But better if you obtain permission of constructor.

Regards

Esteban

Device looks heavy but in reality its ligthweigth. It as ionic antenna made of aluminium . One big problem its because it as one internal trimmer from radio,and it needs most of the times adjustments,its the MicroHenry selector. I´m sure you can advice me some other kind of trimmer,to use outside the wood box...
The other problem its when working near power lines,beeps everywere,much more than Mineoro models.
Pinpoint also is dificult with this one...

Regards

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Device looks heavy but in reality its ligthweigth. It as ionic antenna made of aluminium . One big problem its because it as one internal trimmer from radio,and it needs most of the times adjustments,its the MicroHenry selector. I´m sure you can advice me some other kind of trimmer,to use outside the wood box...
The other problem its when working near power lines,beeps everywere,much more than Mineoro models.
Pinpoint also is dificult with this one...

Regards

Those troubles can be solved, and if power lines are problems, well, discard these places in your searchings!