NE555 VLF transmitter

[Dave J.]

There's lots of them on Google, use: Images, also people who listen to VLF atmospherics have a substantial experience in VLF receivers. What is your application?

The circuit they're talking about in this thread is not a receiver, it is a transmitter that has no useful function. Has nothing to do with metal detection, nothing to do with mineral detection, nothing to do with atmospherics, no practical use whatsoever. Even as an example of a 555 oscillator circuit, it's one of the worst I've seen. The data sheet explains how to use a 555 properly. Note: modern linear CMOS 555's work much better than the original bipolar 555.

If you're interested in building something that actually detects metals or minerals, I recommend www.geotech1.com/forums/forum.php

--Dave J.

[Dedevil]

Then why are you here?

The circuit they're talking about in this thread is not a receiver, it is a transmitter that has no useful function. Has nothing to do with metal detection, nothing to do with mineral detection, nothing to do with atmospherics, no practical use whatsoever. Even as an example of a 555 oscillator circuit, it's one of the worst I've seen. The data sheet explains how to use a 555 properly. Note: modern linear CMOS 555's work much better than the original bipolar 555.

If you're interested in building something that actually detects metals or minerals, I recommend www.geotech1.com/forums/forum.php

--Dave J.

If your such a know it all and the other site is so good Dave, then why are you here?

[Dave J.]

Well, Mr. Devil, one might ask you the same question. You've promoted the Half a Dead Fish Dowsing Gospel, but don't recall that you've told anyone where to send the money to buy a copy.

I'm here to debunk LRL fraud, to use the LRL forum as a laboratory for observing what it is about human nature that causes people so easily become deluded by nonsense, and occasionally to steer someone to a forum where things that actually work are discussed if the forum-denizen happens to be interested in things that work and landed here by mistake.

For instance, if a person wanted a 555 circuit to do something useful, and therefore it mattered whether it was done well or poorly, there are forums (for example the Geotech forums) where knowledgeable people discuss such things.

On the LRL forums, people publish schematics of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with locating metals or valuables at a distance, the circuits are always extraordinarily crude and there is no interest in how to do a competent design that might serve a useful purpose even if not that of locating metals or valuables at a distance. My favorite example of this genre are the low frequency receivers (usually inductive). You can buy well designed low frequency receivers, but they're of no use for fake dowsing because they have identifiable signal responses. To be used for fake dowsing a receiver needs either a mechanical swivelly thingy (what the circuit does is irrelevant), or to be so uselessly noisy and drifty that its output is pretty much like rolling dice and with enough imagination you can pretend that the readings have something to do with "gold ions" or whatever your pseudoscientific belief du jour is.

Listening to the explanations is like listening to a gambler explain how his lucky streaks work: the guy is always borrowing money from his buddies and not paying it back and despite all that the guy hasn't discovered the obvious-- which is that he doesn't know crraapp about gambling, its the slicks who keep cleaning him out who understand gambling.

So what keeps incompetent gamblers in the game? There's something they want to be true, even though they know it's false, and their loyalty is to their wants rather than to knuckling under to Reality. The more they invest in the screwup, they more they believe that "I can't quit now, I've got so much invested in it!". (The slicks who are cleaning him out know this is what he's thinking and keep him in the game by pandering to the delusion.) The fallacy that you can "get your money back" by throwing good money after bad is so broadly accepted that you hear supposedly rational businesspeople use that line of reasoning to justify outright financial stupidity. Idjit investors, the money's gone! it's not bait still on a hook that you can reel back in! LRL'ers merely represent an extreme example of what is actually everyday experience, it even happens in the worlds of national and international politics and finance.

The world is governed by superstition, Mr. Devil. You and I probably agree on that much, and what we disagree on is whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. The world is a pretty big laboratory, so when a person wants a small laboratory to put superstition under a microscope, LRL forums serve the purpose well.

--Dave J.

[Dedevil]

What part of the conversation?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I wouldn't worry about Dave's comments at the moment, sound's like he's having a few problems. What part of the conversation didn't you understand. Use quotes.

rgds

[Metaldude]

I saw a VLF receiver circuit in an earlier post and a 555 based transmitter circuit that does bursts at a low frequency.

How does a VLF transmitter and receiver detect metals/minerals?

[Dedevil]

Electrification

Simply the answer is Electrification. Everything to a certain extent is electrified. Water ( H20 ) has a net overall tendancy to be positively charged while gold (Au197 ) has a tendancy to be negetivley charged. A phenomina called the triboelectric effect. The human body has a tendancy to try and stay neautral but is normally - ve charged. This is why a diviner using L rods will have the rods cross over as they go over an underground stream. The rods are being attracted to the +ve plate of the top of the underground water. If the diviner then stops and sticks one L rod in the ground the other L rod will point like a compass to the path of least resistance that the water is flowing in.
Zapping the enviroment with vlf electrofies the surrounding environment and therefor makes gold more -ve and water more +ve. It is like turning up the volume to the surrounding environment or in a similar fashion we turn on a light to see in a dark room. Some people swear by it, but i am a good diviner and therefor do not require it. But i can also see applications for this in an electronic style divining machine to stimulate the antenna.

Hope that clears it up.
rgds

[Dedevil]

The circuit they're talking about in this thread is not a receiver, it is a transmitter that has no useful function. Has nothing to do with metal detection, nothing to do with mineral detection, nothing to do with atmospherics, no practical use whatsoever. Even as an example of a 555 oscillator circuit, it's one of the worst I've seen. The data sheet explains how to use a 555 properly. Note: modern linear CMOS 555's work much better than the original bipolar 555.

If you're interested in building something that actually detects metals or minerals, I recommend www.geotech1.com/forums/forum.php

--Dave J.

I would only use a cmos chip to save power consumption and battery life. Good if your walking around with a search coil. But in this case the Vlf transmitter would stay in one place and powered by generator or solar and therefor WM6's choice of a TTL 555 is excellent.

Is that your wife yelling at you Dave? Telling you to hurry up and clean the dishes.
She wants a foot massage after that!

[Dedevil]

An after thought

If the explanation of electrification was confusing. Try this; Think of our universe and the centre of attraction, the sun. The sun has a huge amount of nuclear explosions happening and according to our science knowledge produces protons (+ve charges) from these explosions. So the sun can be called overall positive "+ve". Now like forces attract and opposite forces repel, so the earth must be overall negative ( -Ve) compared to the sun. Now water on earth has an overall effect of being +ve and so ground water is attracted via streams to the oceans. A smaller stream has less mass than the oceans.
Less mass means less +ve. and so the streams now become -ve with reference to the oceans. like 5 for oceans and 5-1(4) for streams.
Less mass less charge.
rgds

[Metaldude]

That's fascinating, thanks for those explanations. I've tried divining for water and was very surprised to easily find it. Your explanation of charge differences being everywhere, but resident in bodies and being either -ve or +ve is interesting.

You've obviously had electrical training.

[Dedevil]

No worries. If you liked the L rod divining try a spring rod. Although your body has a charge, it also fluctuates with the electrical impulses of your hearts muscles. So your bodies overall charge actually beats! Just like a light being swithed on and off. With a spring rod you can actually see this change in electrification as it will bend towards the underground streams at heart beat rate. Once you've tried it, try this. Hold the spring rod out and without saying anything just ask it how far to the stream? Then start counting up in meters or centimeters in your head. As your count gets closer and closer to the water your heartbeat will also change in rate, slightly, giving an overall accuracy to the water. It's very accurate!

rgds

[Dave J.]

That's fascinating, thanks for those explanations. I've tried divining for water and was very surprised to easily find it. Your explanation of charge differences being everywhere, but resident in bodies and being either -ve or +ve is interesting.

You've obviously had electrical training.

Mr. Devil, guess he's yours now. In a way it's only fair, I didn't need him and you did.

--Dave J.

PS: which end of the fish did you feed him?

[Dedevil]

Wwwaaaaa!

Mr. Devil, guess he's yours now. In a way it's only fair, I didn't need him and you did.

--Dave J.

PS: which end of the fish did you feed him?

Can someone stick his dummy back in his mouth, he was such a cute baby when he was quite.

[Dedevil]

What some babies will do

I've heard some good stories of why men wont wash the dishes, do the ironing or massage the wifes feet but Dave's is the best. Sorry darling I have to go prove the LRL fraudsters wrong. One day i will find you that gold nugget with my coil detector you just wait and see..... She's waiting Dave...The back massge is the worst part, it's like rolling bread dough in olive ioil.

[Dave J.]

Well, Metal, Mr. Devil has shown you what he is. Whaddaya think? If you like, you'll continue down that path. If not, you might chicken out.

A few years ago I lived near a well-known Christian obedience cult who are in effect hell-worshippers. They ran a public Halloween show that was based on CIA-KGB-Nazi mind control principles. I stood in line passing out leaflets explaining what they were up to and how it worked and recommended that anyone who was thinking of "going downstairs" would be a lot better off chickening out and doing something else that evening. I even recommended several other churches which were offering public Halloween parties of a harmless nature.

One couple to whom I handed the leaflet, and read it, walked away. The rest walked in, but of those a few may have used what they learned from the leaflet to avoid being suckered. Jesus called this maneuver broadcasting seed, without knowing what would sprout or if and when and how it would be harvested. Every act of life is like this.

That was then and there, and this is here and now. Anyone following this thread has seen how Mr. Devil associates himself with LRL's, while somehow steering clear of the subject himself. His dowsing claim to fame is the "half a dead fish gospel".

If you want to find metal or valuable minerals, those are well known disciplines that are competitive and which reward prudent investment and hard work. Mr. Devil is trying hard to make sure you won't learning anything that's gonna take you in that direction.

DeDevil told y'all in plain English what he is, if you get suckered by him you already knew in advance what it was you were being suckered by.

If you want to learn a thing or two about dowsing, most folks don't like my recommendations on that, but here's a good place to start thinking about it: Mr. Devil's half a dead fish gospel is a great place to begin, because it will teach you in a hurry how ludicrous BS works if you're a willing student.

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Mr. Devil's getting his jollies now, because someone has recognizes him for what he really is.

He really is Mr. Devil. He ain't kidding. I didn't invent his avatar, he did. His forum behavior is consistent with his avatar.

If you ask yourself "why is he here?" it's hard to take him seriously as an LRL enthusiast or "skeptic", or even as a dowser. I can't think of anyone who posts on the Tnet LRL forum who would give him the light of day other than through the exit door, same door through which several others have walked the gangplank. Including certain "skeptics" who learned the concept of "exit" the hard way.

I have several reasons for being here, I've listed them in a previous post in this thread. Mr. Devil ain't gonna tell you why he's here, so I'll spill the beans for him. He's here to do research on how gullible people are. I'm interested in the major pattern, but he's more interested in the extreme. I hope that someone a lot closer to him than I am is keeping much closer tabs on him than I am. To me he's just a wacko fellow forum denizen but to someone in Aussielandia he might be....... well, I don't have any actual evidence, I only see the way of thinking. Too late anyhow, most of the flammables already went up in smoke. He invented his avatar, I didn't. He wanted to reveal what he is and there's no reason why anyone should dispute him on that matter.

Now on that "really is" business, we have a potential communication problem with religious folks who think the Devil is a supernatural being, a sort of demigod or antigod. That's a convenience of churchmen and politicians who can chase the cuss away with smoke and mirrors while the real thing in flesh and blood is still sucking the folks in the pews dry, when it's doing that.

I'm not asserting that "the devil" can't exist outside of flesh and blood, I'm merely reminding folks of our practical experience in which we've encountered real human beings hell-bent on wrecking anything they can touch. You can say the force was their own or that it was an external force acting through them. The results are the same. The "what was the force?" problem is a mishmash that scientists are trying to unravel and which politicians and churchmen are trying to get under control. Congratulations, you're next!

--Dave J.

PS: Mr. Devil, since you seem to know Jesus and want a showdown with the fellow a lot more than a showdown with LRL either proponents or opponents, perhaps you can recommend a forum better suited to this conversation? Even a satanist forum if that's all ya got, I'm willing to take a look.

[Geo]

If i remember good, Carl made this site only for LRL believers.
Dave J, what do you want here?????
You can go to Geotech1 and to say all your good ideas and experiences from Fisher.
You have not nothing to say for LRLs.


Regards