Originally posted by J_Player
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Hi Fred,
I have no idea what this locator can detect or not detect other than the reports I read.
If I become a famous Prophet/God/ saint/guru, then I will change my name like mesy64 does so nobody will know who I am.
I do not need for people to pray to me.
But what about treasure recovery?
There are 40 years history of people recovering treasures when they used this buried metal locator.
I know it will locate treasures from the reports I read.
I have never read any report that it failed to locate a treasure when it was used as the manufacturer recommended.
However, the manufacturer never recommended to configure this locator into a pistol design.
So we hear other reports from people who made modifications to make it into the pistol shape, and even made modifications to the circuits.
Then we hear many stories of locating long distances.
But even the original factory "rifle configuration" was reported to find signals that modern metal locators do not detect.
Where these signals come from, nobody knows for certain.
We must keep in mind that when this locator began finding all these treasures was a time when most treasures had not been recovered yet, so there were more treasures to find.
But after 40 years of metal detectors and other treasure hunting tools, I expect there are fewer treasures to find today.
What is the longest distance of detection?
Second, I do not know the exact distance that this locator can locate treasures.
For pinpointing, I read the report that it can pinpoint farther than most pin-pointers... 45 cm for a coke can is farther than any other pin-pointer that I know of, and it will pinpoint the location of the can with accuracy of maybe 5cm or closer to the correct place to dig the hole.
But for long range, I do not know exactly how far, because people have not made any reports to tell how far when the circuit is unmodified.
This is the reason why I would like to see the field reports from people who actually test it like we read from sakis1.
I think the distance of detection will depend on some details of how it is constructed.
If a builder is careful to take precautions in the construction to avoid transferring the electronic noise from the speaker to the receiver circuit, and makes a very clean null with little metal near the coils, I think he will find better detection of small signals than a different builder who has loose wires bouncing around near the coils, and has metal brackets and screws at the coils.
Third, I am wondering what modifications are necessary to find the long range detection of treasure metals such as gold, platinum, and silver, while ignoring aluminium and lead.
We know from previous reports that it already have some discrimination built in that can be heard as a changed sound on the speaker for different metals.
But I don't know for certain until we see some reports to confirm this.
Detecting sparks from long range:
From what I read, this locator will detect sparks from distant thunderstorms farther than an ordinary metal detector.
We can expect this because it does not have a Faraday shield to block the detection of electric field anomalies.
So we also know it does not intentionally block out the electric component of the VLF reception.
I remember reading reports of it making detection of signals when the closest thunderstorms were hundreds of Km distance.
I am wondering if this locator is detecting the lightning flashes from their disturbance to the ground that could possibly be detected because of the transmission through the telluric currents under the ground.
These are normally very slow fluctuating currents which appear to be DC, unless you look for long enough to see they are AC with a 24 hour cycle, and other lower frequencies superimposed, as well as higher frequencies as we see originating from lightning storms that could be very far distance.
Then what about signals that come from treasures?
As far as I know, treasures do not generate their own signals.
An external source of energy must interact with the location of buried metals to cause an anomaly that could be detected.
This is the principle of all treasure locators, with the exception of a special kind of gamma ray detector, which can detect gamma emissions that originate directly from various elements that are buried.
The external energy which could conceivably show an anomaly at the location of buried metals comes from several sources:
1. The VLF transmitter sends VLF waves that we can expect to penetrate at least 2-3 meters into the ground, and farther depending on the soil conductivity.
2. Chemical energy from chemicals in the ground which corrode small amounts of all metals including gold and platinum, and make them into ions that are suspended into the ground around the buried treasure. This chemical action uses energy which is derived from transfers of the electric charges in the chemical bonds between elements which are combining and separating.
3. The charge from the atmosphere imposes a strong electric field to the surface interface of the of the ground which surrounds the buried metal.
4. Various electric currents under the ground such as telluric currents, momentary jolts of current from distant thunderstorms, current fluctuations cause by seismic activity, ground battery current from corrosion of metal or other nearby elements oxidising or reducing, 50-60Hz ground currents from nearby power generation and ground rods, etc. are more external energy sources which can find anomalies when a buried metal object is in the ground.
5. Nuclear decay and collisions from other elements under the ground can impart energy to the buried metal, or to the chemically charged ground around it that may show an anomaly in the location of the buried metal.
6. Effects of cosmic rays and other energies acting on the buried metals that are not well understood by most treasure hunters are another source of external energy impinging on the ground at the buried metal location.
There are many other external sources of energy which could disturb the buried metal or the soil around it which could be charged with corroding ions from the metal.
So we have a lot of choices for what kind of energy anomaly to look for in the vicinity of the treasure.
Of course, the most obvious external source of external energy is the VLF transmitter you are waving toward the location where you want to look for buried metals.
In normal metal detecting, we expect the energy from the magnetic component of the VLF will induce currents in the buried metal which will result in an anomaly that can be detected from the RX coil.
But this only works for short ranges.
The difference with this locator is it is not limited to receiving the magnetic component of the VLF that the transmitter sends out.
It also can receive the electric field component.
And from the reports I have read, it receives electric signals from other sources as well as the locked frequency of the transmitter.
While this kind of reception is usually considered to be noise, who knows which of the external energies that are impinging on the buried treasure can be detected as an anomaly by the RX coil?
It could be detecting any one of the 6 kinds of external energy I listed above, or others that I have not listed.
How can we know what kind of an anomaly near the treasure would possibly be detectable by a locator that is so sensitive that it catches tiny noises that are usually filtered away by modern metal detectors?
As near as I can remember, the engineer who adapted his original factory version of this locator reported detecting some very strange sounds that he could not identify from any particular source.
But that's not all.
Apparently, this same engineer converted at least one other metal locator to a PD configuration which used a similar electronic design from a different manufacturer and found the same kind of strange signals being detected that his other treasure hunting equipment could not locate.
When engineers find this condition, they often think they have detected noise. And indeed they have!
But it seems so strange that we heard no more about the strange signals he detected, and soon nothing more about his PD modified locator.
This is why I think he went treasure hunting.
Did he figure out where these signals came from?
How much treasure did he recover over the years since I saw his last posts about these PDs that he constructed?
Did he make modifications to his original factory circuits to tune in the treasures with more accuracy and more distance?
Perhaps we will never know.
But we now have the exact same circuit that he started with.
So we can discover for ourselves what this locator can do and we can make our own modifications like sakis1 did.
Best wishes,
J_P
I have no idea what this locator can detect or not detect other than the reports I read.
If I become a famous Prophet/God/ saint/guru, then I will change my name like mesy64 does so nobody will know who I am.
I do not need for people to pray to me.
But what about treasure recovery?
There are 40 years history of people recovering treasures when they used this buried metal locator.
I know it will locate treasures from the reports I read.
I have never read any report that it failed to locate a treasure when it was used as the manufacturer recommended.
However, the manufacturer never recommended to configure this locator into a pistol design.
So we hear other reports from people who made modifications to make it into the pistol shape, and even made modifications to the circuits.
Then we hear many stories of locating long distances.
But even the original factory "rifle configuration" was reported to find signals that modern metal locators do not detect.
Where these signals come from, nobody knows for certain.
We must keep in mind that when this locator began finding all these treasures was a time when most treasures had not been recovered yet, so there were more treasures to find.
But after 40 years of metal detectors and other treasure hunting tools, I expect there are fewer treasures to find today.
What is the longest distance of detection?
Second, I do not know the exact distance that this locator can locate treasures.
For pinpointing, I read the report that it can pinpoint farther than most pin-pointers... 45 cm for a coke can is farther than any other pin-pointer that I know of, and it will pinpoint the location of the can with accuracy of maybe 5cm or closer to the correct place to dig the hole.
But for long range, I do not know exactly how far, because people have not made any reports to tell how far when the circuit is unmodified.
This is the reason why I would like to see the field reports from people who actually test it like we read from sakis1.
I think the distance of detection will depend on some details of how it is constructed.
If a builder is careful to take precautions in the construction to avoid transferring the electronic noise from the speaker to the receiver circuit, and makes a very clean null with little metal near the coils, I think he will find better detection of small signals than a different builder who has loose wires bouncing around near the coils, and has metal brackets and screws at the coils.
Third, I am wondering what modifications are necessary to find the long range detection of treasure metals such as gold, platinum, and silver, while ignoring aluminium and lead.
We know from previous reports that it already have some discrimination built in that can be heard as a changed sound on the speaker for different metals.
But I don't know for certain until we see some reports to confirm this.
Detecting sparks from long range:
From what I read, this locator will detect sparks from distant thunderstorms farther than an ordinary metal detector.
We can expect this because it does not have a Faraday shield to block the detection of electric field anomalies.
So we also know it does not intentionally block out the electric component of the VLF reception.
I remember reading reports of it making detection of signals when the closest thunderstorms were hundreds of Km distance.
I am wondering if this locator is detecting the lightning flashes from their disturbance to the ground that could possibly be detected because of the transmission through the telluric currents under the ground.
These are normally very slow fluctuating currents which appear to be DC, unless you look for long enough to see they are AC with a 24 hour cycle, and other lower frequencies superimposed, as well as higher frequencies as we see originating from lightning storms that could be very far distance.
Then what about signals that come from treasures?
As far as I know, treasures do not generate their own signals.
An external source of energy must interact with the location of buried metals to cause an anomaly that could be detected.
This is the principle of all treasure locators, with the exception of a special kind of gamma ray detector, which can detect gamma emissions that originate directly from various elements that are buried.
The external energy which could conceivably show an anomaly at the location of buried metals comes from several sources:
1. The VLF transmitter sends VLF waves that we can expect to penetrate at least 2-3 meters into the ground, and farther depending on the soil conductivity.
2. Chemical energy from chemicals in the ground which corrode small amounts of all metals including gold and platinum, and make them into ions that are suspended into the ground around the buried treasure. This chemical action uses energy which is derived from transfers of the electric charges in the chemical bonds between elements which are combining and separating.
3. The charge from the atmosphere imposes a strong electric field to the surface interface of the of the ground which surrounds the buried metal.
4. Various electric currents under the ground such as telluric currents, momentary jolts of current from distant thunderstorms, current fluctuations cause by seismic activity, ground battery current from corrosion of metal or other nearby elements oxidising or reducing, 50-60Hz ground currents from nearby power generation and ground rods, etc. are more external energy sources which can find anomalies when a buried metal object is in the ground.
5. Nuclear decay and collisions from other elements under the ground can impart energy to the buried metal, or to the chemically charged ground around it that may show an anomaly in the location of the buried metal.
6. Effects of cosmic rays and other energies acting on the buried metals that are not well understood by most treasure hunters are another source of external energy impinging on the ground at the buried metal location.
There are many other external sources of energy which could disturb the buried metal or the soil around it which could be charged with corroding ions from the metal.
So we have a lot of choices for what kind of energy anomaly to look for in the vicinity of the treasure.
Of course, the most obvious external source of external energy is the VLF transmitter you are waving toward the location where you want to look for buried metals.
In normal metal detecting, we expect the energy from the magnetic component of the VLF will induce currents in the buried metal which will result in an anomaly that can be detected from the RX coil.
But this only works for short ranges.
The difference with this locator is it is not limited to receiving the magnetic component of the VLF that the transmitter sends out.
It also can receive the electric field component.
And from the reports I have read, it receives electric signals from other sources as well as the locked frequency of the transmitter.
While this kind of reception is usually considered to be noise, who knows which of the external energies that are impinging on the buried treasure can be detected as an anomaly by the RX coil?
It could be detecting any one of the 6 kinds of external energy I listed above, or others that I have not listed.
How can we know what kind of an anomaly near the treasure would possibly be detectable by a locator that is so sensitive that it catches tiny noises that are usually filtered away by modern metal detectors?
As near as I can remember, the engineer who adapted his original factory version of this locator reported detecting some very strange sounds that he could not identify from any particular source.
But that's not all.
Apparently, this same engineer converted at least one other metal locator to a PD configuration which used a similar electronic design from a different manufacturer and found the same kind of strange signals being detected that his other treasure hunting equipment could not locate.
When engineers find this condition, they often think they have detected noise. And indeed they have!
But it seems so strange that we heard no more about the strange signals he detected, and soon nothing more about his PD modified locator.
This is why I think he went treasure hunting.
Did he figure out where these signals came from?
How much treasure did he recover over the years since I saw his last posts about these PDs that he constructed?
Did he make modifications to his original factory circuits to tune in the treasures with more accuracy and more distance?
Perhaps we will never know.
But we now have the exact same circuit that he started with.
So we can discover for ourselves what this locator can do and we can make our own modifications like sakis1 did.
Best wishes,
J_P
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