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**detectoman** · 09-09-2013, 09:07 PM

andres: jaja (haha) i´m not the mexico robin hood poor mexican treasure hunter defender, jajaja may be, i m mexican chucho el roto hunter, only say what vary sceptics how funfinder or wm6 or robert or max, etc sceptic people bad E.E , what today spy-critic, geotech looking anybody put a easy lrl by they put out own, or modern rich people go at purchase those functional lrls,, and i look whit jealous what your efficient poket marvel no work here, this is good notice ( joke ) the electronic science isnt easy, this good! and this difficultous point put the difference at t.hobbist favor, what no have money, so i happy, but all this i only say how joke for group, no problem for me what lrl make lower the gold mundial price by lrl finding abundances, the rich hunters whit gpr have a difficult, due they need a soil plane for make prospections whit gprs, we want in ruins whit rocks, but may be soon they can change sistem whit a andreas poket kripton unitis jajaja then they put a air prospection whit lrl coming for air how flys, and all the true hoobist cry when all mexican gold be put out hahaha, no most hobbie for poor mans

is a joke, but has true, jaja, why major you put your view in europe., caution no sell your marvelous lrl in china or corea taiwan or mexico exist very much E.E cloners

**Funfinder** · 09-10-2013, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by detectoman View Post

andrew: initially the rs forum idea was only for study lrls operation based in alonso pd functional project, the r.s forum was initially integrated by hobbist and t.h whit a clear vision of obtain a operable lrl, and make experimentations, no for full the world of operable lrls and put those in sale and hand of people not t.hunters , you isnt a t.h but bussinesman and have others view points on our hobbies, your treasure isnt the prospection sport but bussines and much ready rapid cash, this be bad, in joke i said to you, keep away mexico, we no desire rich false hunter prospectors whit lrl in hands , man rich what can own whit money your lrl, a poor man how the th mexicans no is possible, so i say you in joke, no lrls dealers in mexico, due you how member of r.s semms inadecuate person, we in mexico today have gpr invasion, only rich groups put out the major treasures, a lrl invasion may put the gobernments like to put laws and regularizated for our hobbie, this strict and bad how in spain, then all we be affectad, in mexico the detection sport be today free, i question? who should have the lrl tegnology? the normal people rich no hobbist? here them have the farms whit chains and locks and whit wire around here are the ruins apart, earlier the farms no was privates and has free acces for prospecction, so lrl semms no how a advantage but disvantage for the genuine comun ht poors, you lrls value in 3000 dollars isnt accesible for people poors t.h, due you associate whit companies for sell at stratosferic price your lrls, remember a thing, your knowloadge no came only of your mind only, but of much others distincts man what invest this, no put in hands on all people extreme efficient aparatus at no be true t.h, this be only my opinion, remember to the alchemists no gave a world your major gold proccess, i no sell any detector tipe, you imagine to 1000 funfinder whit a 100 % operable lrl, they how negotiants people semms a put a group of workers whit functionallyes 100 poket andreas in your sceptic hands rastread our field how a pest in lines of body at body no how hobbie how bussines, efficient lrl extreme expansion arruin all our free natural t.h sport, good thing what your stuffs no work in mexico, soon you can look distincts andreas lrl version vie chinnese produccts, or others cloners, best regards

Sorry detectoman but you're opinion is a bit too critical.

I can't imagine that Andreas will have any motivation or intention to create or clone "super top working Mineoro technology" and the chinese experts start to copy it and the mexican people and treasure hunters who are not so very rich receive big losses from that.

Your ethical view of thing may be correct seen from the whole point of view - of course it is not right if just the rich mexican people are able to going for successful treasure hunt including expensive detectors (and you assume the Crypton is far too expensive for the usual treasure-hunters) - BUT:

please don't forget that first a real working device has to be developed. And so far concerning Mineoro and OKM we have big problems with real working devices.

Now if Andreas could improve such special "detection-method" up to a real useful level it will be a benefit for everyone.

Of course this has to be tested first and at different countries otherwise we have the same trouble as it is with Mineoro which doesn't work in Europe or the PDK-2 which doesn't work in North-Eastern Europe etc. Andreas is fair enough to tell interested buyers if the Crypton OBMD works in their country or not.

And sorry but seen from the cultural level Greece and Turkey and the middle of Europe and also the arabic countries and England with the celtic tradition is based on a much more profound philosophy and therefore also technology to create realistic and professional products than Brazil! Shure, they may have reached a very high status meanwhile, too, but "award labels" like "Made In Germany" etc. don't come out of nothing. There are engineers who work on a different level compared with "jungle style" South America.

And you know I love the mexican mentality and party and hot time etc. but the extremly high crime there is a product of "not working ethical philosphy" - Mexico still is like the American wild west but much worse in large cities where 100s of young people kill theirselves every day! So seen from a cultural and technical level you must admit that Europe technically seen made the most inventions and is competent enough for real needed new ideas and improvements. It's no wonder that some of the best MDs come from Turkey, Bulgaria, Poland, Russia, France and England! Greece is very close to Turkey and Bulgaria and of course has a huge potential in philosophy and technological understanding, so it would be a good base for real working LRL design. And even Australia was a colony of Great Britain so the Minelab's technical knowledge was imported and it is not from the Aborigines.

detectoman, why don't you wait and see if the Crypton really already is technical far enough perfectionated and afterwards you decide if the price and the product is OK?

If we would be happy with the work of Mineoro no one would ever have thought to built something better and improved.
Mineoro has failed and alot people lost huge amounts of money like Morgan and we can't accept such problem making companies. If they don't work at least somehow good enough for the real treasure-hunting technical needs we have to improve this stuff on our own up to a useful working level.

And we must be glad that persons like Morgan and Andreas exists with a huge interest in this field of special detection technology otherwise in 20 years we still would be fooled by (almost) notworking stuff as Mineoro and OKM provides.

detectoman, compare it with a political idealogy:

If it fails, something better has to be found.

Perhaps this also would be a good tip for the mexican politics and leaders to get a better life for all people living there and not just for the criminals until they got killed or the rich people who often just also got rich by "doubtful" activities.

Anyway, we need real working products, this is a technical forum and all kind of real working improvements is highly welcome.
And it would be good if you detectoman also could start to contribute real useful technical info so the improvement process can work much faster. Thanks.

**nelson** · 09-10-2013, 01:13 PM

Tim

Your field test will be welcome, cause this is the only way to show what Crypton can do.
In my case i also have no doubs that it work.

Has you know Andreas has place on Crypton and adjustment control that allows you to set up the unit to your needs, depending the place and country you are located on and may be this is the point were i have to learn more about, to get the maximun of my OBDM-2.

My test are very limited cause i had not much time to go out of the city to test it. But soon i will go out to diferent places.

However Crypton found two targets that are not treasures, but enough to convince me that it works. The first target was a pice of copper cable, about 1.5 meters of distance and buriend 4 centimeters down. The second one was an ammunition shell, 5 metes away and 2 to 3 centimeters down.

Unfortunally i did not carry my video cam, because i lived away any electronic device that can produce electromagnetic interference. Indeed when i have my cel phone turned on, Crypton detect his signal. So no electronic devices must be close to Crypton.

I also tested Crypton inside my house where a copper water pipe run under the concrete floor. Crypton detected very sharp and strong. (I posted a video with this test on youtube). Later i found that this detection could be a copper detection or an induced electromagnetic field comming from the electricity tower located very cose to my house, that goes by the pipes tubes.

The IR of Crypton also works fine. I had mede a simple test pointing my TV remote control to it, and Crypton beeps inmediatly.

For me, Crypton show me is a very powerfull machine, that only need to be tested on the righ place and not on the city has i had made.

Credits are to Andreas for developing i fantastic equipment that soon i know will have more proofs, because Andreas has worked hard and without to much publicity.

Finally a question to you and Andreas, when we work with Crypton on the filed, does a digital camera affect his performace like the cell phones does?

Regards

Nelson

Originally posted by Tim Williams View Post

I have looked at this forum for years to see if there was any truth to the matter of an all electronic locator. I was not allowed into the forum because I'm a seller of my own equipment and thats ok. I feel I could have helped develop unit in some way.

I contacted Andreas because of a story from one of my team in mexico. After emailing Andreas and seeing his post in the forums I fell he was truthful. I am very happy and can say the Crypton is no joke. I have video's ready to post up but waiting till everything is ready.

So far the Crypton is the only unit that I know of that can detect the anomaly of buried metals with out using a rod. Once I start selling the units anyone is welcome to come down and test it. It's has a clean indication and you have no doubt is is detecting an anomaly.

It could be gold, silver, brass or copper. I have already found small brass parts and have no doubt of gold or silver was there it would find it also.

Andreas has worked hard on his units and I have no intention of opening his unit. If he should ask me to help in the future I will.

Tim

**Tim Williams** · 09-10-2013, 02:43 PM

Why would you say that? Do you have a crypton?

**Tim Williams** · 09-10-2013, 02:50 PM

Yes the unit will respond to a EMF field from a wall transformer or power source. But that is only inside a house. I have 3 videos I will release when the page goes online. One is of a very strong anomaly detected from 38 yards away. I had to lower the gain by 4 points when I got near so the unit response could be controlled.

Tim

**Funfinder** · 09-10-2013, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by ANDREAS View Post

but it also must work good enough for real usage.
For this is used my clients. Following observations and notes can draw and produce the OBMD-2
Its a huge difference if you test it at a well know area where you know approximatly where the finds are or if the detection shall work at unknown terrain.
Never i use a now area for testing. I use only unknown terrain with unknown buried metals
This test is very simple, we drive some km outside of the towns or outskirts of the towns to some random chosen place and we check out there what we can find and how the Crypton reacts.
This is the best choice for me. Usually i say for new user " If you have a signal via OBMD-2,take your a MD and check with MD pinpoint central . Before open hole use again my unit for learn more method detection with this target"
please use this forum here and your good english to inform the persons what they can expect and what not:
mY english are very poor and i don't like google translation system
Cut down their extremly high hopes and dreams finding treasure chest from 1km distance to a realistic niveau.
I know a dowsing man my country. This man detect a treasure 200km!!!!!!!! distance.....
But never he find a treasure. Sometimes dreams are dreams
Inform us about how the interaction and the discrimination works on a hunting site with alot different kind of metal alloy objects and even trash.
Please see the second video in this thread. Usually trash or metal alloy has a very small pulse beeps. I like work with this "small false signals" and i check only a strong DC beep- signal or 3-4 together beeps.
How many finds the Crypton can "make" within 3 hours at a place where every 20m is buried something and how much percent of the finds is "waste"?
Interest question.
If there buried objects close together, we only have a strong signal. I believe that, in this case of small fields become a great one. If an area has too many ... We quietly. In this case we have a common brand and DEVICE can not "READ" signal difference if you set the gain, can be read every 20 steps a new signal.
Usually small old coins detect by OBMD-2 maximum distance 10 meters. This is fine for us
About waste, with experiments you know " the waste false signal" . this is a very small pulse beep and stop
You also should tell us warning rules or precaution notes so the risk to dig 2m deep holes for nothing will be reduces as much as possible. Because if such a detector is LRL it is also a VDL (very deep locator). And the more depth, the more problems while digging, the more work and the much more frustration if it was for nothing.
Usually i use a MD for open hole maximum detection range my MD. I don't work with treasure papers infos or other infos. I work only with a unknown terain for small results and small dreams. If i am luck later, i don't knw but is my wish
Of course we all here know that a 2nd usual MD is needed to verify and pinpoint the at long range detected finds so at this information-layer also enough good tips must be provided - in other words- how work the Crypton with an usual MD the best together.
Correct!! For first experiments is better use my unit together with a md
And the basis of course also consists of exact enough describtions of the abilities and of the usage methods which shall lead to success.
Tim produce now the best method for detection. I think is better, wait all members the opinions, because he use perfect the English
best regards

Hi Andreas,

and thanx for your good answer.

> (but it also must work good enough for real usage.) For this is used my clients. Following observations and notes can draw and produce the OBMD-2

OK, for me this is no problem but you know we need some "real working standards" and not all people can "check" how a device works just by trying a bit around like technical experts can.

It would be very good if you could define some minimal to maximal standards or better "conditions" under what circumstances (or at what sites and countries) the device will work anyway.
See it the way if you look to your own detection experiences... other persons at least must be able to reproduce your own personal successful results.

> If you have a signal via OBMD-2,take your a MD and check with MD pinpoint central .

Absolutly the best method.

> mY english are very poor

No, really not, your english is pretty well and OK. You can explain everything and by the way there exists a "technical english" and a "conversational english". It depends on the field of interests of what kind of vocables and words someone has a better "database".

> I like work with this "small false signals" and i check only a strong DC beep- signal or 3-4 together beeps.

Yeah, it has alot to do with different sites - the main deal will be to get at a good site at all and if there is not every few meters something and if the person has some kind of "treasure hints and directions" the Crypton can lead 'em to the right spot and then he can start the "fine works" with a good and deep metal detector.

btw. i think your opinion is perfect to check the Crypton find signal afterwards directly with an usual MD to prevent digging too deep holes.

Some finds of course are deeper but you need real serious info about it so you don't waste your time to dig extreme deep holes just for nothing.

>
Interest question.
If there buried objects close together, we only have a strong signal. I believe that, in this case of small fields become a great one. If an area has too many ... We quietly. In this case we have a common brand and DEVICE can not "READ" signal difference if you set the gain, can be read every 20 steps a new signal.

OK, this can be good or not. At regions with very few finds it is good if the Crypton leads the hunter to a spot with "energetic signals".

But many times the good finds are at hot spots with a size of 100 x 100 meters full of finds !!! Here the Crypton would melt all those little signals into one huge and this could be very confusing or leads to using only the usual MD.

> Tim produce now the best method for detection.

Tim may be a true and good person but his swivel or even dowsing devices will mess up your whole reputation of real all-electronic LRL!

You can't mix up "paranormal abilities stuff" like it is with pendulum, L-rods or by plain hand-feeling of the ground with serious technology! It will ruin your whole seriousity !!!

It the same to mix up astrologers with scientifical working astronoms - you simply can't do it !!! Never! They are working on complete different philosophies or better: the astrologers working on superstitious faith which is 2000 years old and they have no real worthful proofs at all. I have studied this whole stuffs about how much worth are the pre-view of astrologers and their hogwash nonsense horoscope crap! They even dare to claim that persons who have been born at a special months will have a special fate - this is completly against free will! I hate astrologers, they are just talking sh*t to get extremly high amounts of money. The know nothing about stars! They dream about biblic stories and still think there only will exists 7 plantets and the earth will be the middle-point of the universe as it was believed 1000 years ago! Astrologers are for old women who have the need to hear nice and hopemaking stories! They should be deleted from this world, those evil and cunning lies- and superstition spreaders! They can shove up their planets %"$%$% and stuff from which they know nothing real about, they still repeat the crap old egypt astrologers have dreamed about.

Tim first must understand what is real and what is fantasy, otherwise he will never get out of his occult and esoterical swamp. He can't support you, Andreas, don't even think about that he could help you in any way!

I hate the sin, not the sinner! This is an old philosophical principle but you must know that persons who don't know how the reality works always just will lead you into their own darkness!

Andreas, please follow my advice and work together with real technical and realistic thinking persons - if you want the Crypton will be honoured and accepted as a real working device. Persons with "dream-LRLs" are the wrong supporting way for you, absolutly!

I just want the best for you thats why I warn you about persons who only would render your good work useless or would shine a bad light on your technical evolutions.

And by the way - Andreas - please try to find out what are the reasons why the Crypton in some countries doesn't work or only on a very bad level.

If its the needes background frequency input you may find a way to switch to other frequencies or you can make the device more sensitive so it can receive the needed energy-fields at any place all over the world.

This is just for your best - because the more many countries the Crypton works good, the more benefit and good feedback of the treasure-hunters you will get which will lead to more and more success for you.

Perhaps you think about building in a second "reference circuit" so you can double the contrast and comparement factor and another very important point:

Please try to find a good compromise with the antenna - double its gain if possible and if the weight is still ok. Those so far known "worthless" PDK style ferrite-antennas are virtually far to weak !!!!

Please try to construct a really high gain antenna, this has absolute importance. Forget about the weight, if the Crypton weights 1kg more just because of the improved antenna it doesn't matter as long as you can improve the reliable to a real acceptable level!

Good luck and I wish you furthermore good improvements with your inventions!

**nelson** · 09-10-2013, 04:02 PM

Yes Tim, i do got OBDM-2 from Andreas, last year.

So sharing your results with mine i think will help a lot in learn how to work with Crypton.

Best regards

PD: your Arc Geo Logger unit works fantastic.

Nelson

Originally posted by Tim Williams View Post

Why would you say that? Do you have a crypton?

**Tim Williams** · 09-10-2013, 05:00 PM

Funfinder

Dream world? Do you know me? Are you my Nabor that you should know my heart so well? It's people like you I stay away from. You I would not trust at all. Anyone that can speak of another and never met that person lives in a world of his own where he is God!

**Funfinder** · 09-11-2013, 06:11 AM

> Reply to detectoman from yesterday - I wrote:

> It's no wonder that some of the best MDs come from Turkey, Bulgaria, Poland, Russia, France and England! Greece is very close to Turkey and Bulgaria and of course has a huge potential in philosophy and technological understanding, so it would be a good base for real working LRL design. And even Australia was a colony of Great Britain so the Minelab's technical knowledge was imported and it is not from the Aborigines.

I forgot to mention Nikolai Tesla who was the true inventor of Radio - and not influenceful and rich Guglielmo Marconi from England who stole the ideas of Tesla and patented by bribing and money "his" radio:

Tesla, master of lightning - who invented radio?

PBS: Tesla - Master of Lightning: Who Invented Radio?

http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_whoradio.html

Nikola Tesla - Who Invented Radio?

http://inventors.about.com/od/rstartinventions/a/radio.htm

(almost the same bad story concerning Maxwell, Hertz and Edison)

But we see Tesla was from Serbia and Marconi's family came originally from Italy - both not very far from Greece.

@ Tim
Don't get me wrong - I don't know you personal and I don't care about your true character. This here is just a technical forum and it is your own fault if you are not willing or able to provide real useful and acceptable info about your devices. You are the same as Hung and you are unable to proof your devices even if you are living in America "near" Carl Moreland who shurely would be happy to give you a "Fine, Tim, you built a good detector"-Result but this was not possible so far over many years!!!

Guess why???? Is it the bad technical and scientifical thinking persons (by the way also universities which are accepted by the public have to work the scientific way) or is it you who wants to cook his own little soup, not caring about what other persons may think??? And if the "great feedback" of your customers would be so fantastic why you don't invite them to here and they can proof us their fantastic "treasure find stories" they made with your devices!

The good thing about you shurely is that you are "technical interested" in the same area as we here, "discovery of unorthodox detection methods", but the method how you're doing this only works for a "special group of people" - some may be the same naive as OKM and Mineoro believers who may find stuff by pure chance and thinking by themselves their LRL has found it because it was so expensive and that person would feel very bad about himself if he would confess that he simply was too naive to buy such a device without collecting enough serious and proven information - first!!!

@ Qiaozhi

What do you think about Tim and Andreas - and not forget about Morgan?

Is it the same you may think about Hung or is it more acceptable for you? If the ToTeM is built on the same electronical principle of the PDK or Crypton you should be able to prove them wrong.

And if its not based on that "old Alonso circuit" - in what way should it be connected with LRL-electronic-"technology" at all? Is it based on the Goldgun circuit? At least it must be based on some "claimed as LRL"-stuff if it can be of relevance for us, at all.

For us here it would be the best if its based on this Alonso-passive-receiver, because that way you can tell us and also Morgan or Andreas why it can't work (and only outputs random or unuseful anomaly signals).

Its absurd that on the one site Andreas and Morgan claim they have real working LRLs (not to forget Tim Williams) and on the other hand persons who may have the technical knowhow to look really behind their scenes remains silent and quiet.

Perhaps you are not interested in wild discussions with Morgan or Andreas but if you can shurely can say and if you have proofs that their LRLs can't work it would be really good if you would name and explain them exactly here.

If you say nothing it would be like as if you accept their LRLs at a level of "they are OK and fine, nothing bad to say about them".

Carl perhaps after all those many years of fights is tired of such discussions or he don't know exactly on what electronical-principle the Crypton and PDK is based.

But of course the main goal of this critical forum here is to discover the truth or at least to provide as much as exact pro and contra information as possible.

The Status Quo so far is that we have discovered that the Mineoro doesn't work in Europe or only with "bags-players-tricks" and that the OKM Bionic is some sort of Handheld-Magnet-Anomaly-Detector.

These are good results cause they will prevent treasure-hunters to waste their money and their precious hunting time if they can reach this information here!

So whats about Tim's, Morgan's and Andreas's detectors?

If we can believe Andreas' test results and technical competence and - personally I have the impression he really is a trustworthy and professional electro-technical working person - we may have reached now indeed a technical level were we can say:

"The Crypton OBMD-2 is really useful for treasure-hunters and worth its money!"

I ask you, Qiaozhi as one of the real technical experts here:
Do you think the OBMD-2 works and if not - what are your concerns?

@ Andreas

It is important that you help us with real strong argumenting proofs and technical results because you know - this whole LRL-scene is totally messed up since many years through fraudsters and "fantasy-story-tellers" and many treasure-hunters are "oversensitive" now if it comes to further claims of "working LRLs".

If we can get a clear and true picture here that your OBMD-2 works good enough for the price it costs and the treasure-hunters needs it will be the best "quality-check-passed"-seal for you and you will get huge success because the treasure-hunting scene will really rely on you and would be shurely interested in such kind of real working LRL-device as additional detector (Pinpointer, MD and LRL combination). So please provide us further with enough needed information or send some of your units for a test to Carl, Qiaozhi or other "well trusted persons" here so they can commit the real working functions of your new improved OBMD detectors. Winter time is coming soon and then we have to wait another half year until a good proceeding is possible in this task. thx.

**Qiaozhi** · 09-11-2013, 09:52 AM