Lrl from Italy

[zakari]

Hi All
I test the francos lrl that is not receive the fm waves
You must chang the resistorse to receive the fm wave
Abdou the fm transmitter not good respon
I tested that not have good effect
You must modulate kilo hz wave to fm transmitter
Best regad
Zakari

[abdou2014]

I told that I have an excellent reception of FM waves , and I detect a small FM transmitter from more than 10 meters . it's your LRL that needs repair

[Dubulumach]

I cannot help you, there is no particular frequency of operation, my lrl works in the FM range, about 90 - 130Mhz but it is not linked to any radio broadcaster, Esteban said that even an FM receiver (not tuned to any station) could work as lrl.

Hello Francoitaly

Esteban cabrera Grinok also had shown us how to simply stumilate "FM receiver", better word RF-sniffer.

May i ask you whay you haven't used freq.offset for main 'Halo 4046 chip' ?. For example sweep working freq, in some LF freq, range of interest.? Why did you have used only fixed (semi-variable) VCO voltage ? Main 'Halo chip' should search and lock 'Halo signal' at any particular frequency where phenomenon was occured not at fixed freq. It is soon impossible to find correct 'Halo-positions' of five 20-turns potentiometers manually. Honestly I know a man who can do it even with 6 potentiometers in same time.
Also why you haven't used some sort of AGC to regulate fine amount of reference signal, because 'Halo-signal' is variable in time and space.

Also there is a simple trick to going on mV range 'Halo-signal' of amplitude demodulator or even going on uV, trying to dig out very tiny 'Halo-signals' from the background noise floor, and reconstruct detected useful signal analogue or digitally. You as ex-EE sure know how.

I've forgot to say maybe the most important stuff, which is all real working lrls are detectors (active or passive types) ) of Second Magnetic Field Phenomenon, (not derivation of primary vectorial field), which is in natural essence Shock-Wave or better had great Tesla said, Sound-Wave of Aether. Simply to understand kind of compression/decompression waves, which under special circumstances even could be a standing-waves, a Magnetic standing waves. Mathematical apparatus already has written but.... everything must be at the right time and righ place for the Renaissance.

Best regards
Dubulumach

[FrancoItaly]

Hello Francoitaly

Esteban cabrera Grinok also had shown us how to simply stumilate "FM receiver", better word RF-sniffer.

May i ask you whay you haven't used freq.offset for main 'Halo 4046 chip' ?. For example sweep working freq, in some LF freq, range of interest.? Why did you have used only fixed (semi-variable) VCO voltage ? Main 'Halo chip' should search and lock 'Halo signal' at any particular frequency where phenomenon was occured not at fixed freq. It is soon impossible to find correct 'Halo-positions' of five 20-turns potentiometers manually. Honestly I know a man who can do it even with 6 potentiometers in same time.
Also why you haven't used some sort of AGC to regulate fine amount of reference signal, because 'Halo-signal' is variable in time and space.

Also there is a simple trick to going on mV range 'Halo-signal' of amplitude demodulator or even going on uV, trying to dig out very tiny 'Halo-signals' from the background noise floor, and reconstruct detected useful signal analogue or digitally. You as ex-EE sure know how.

I've forgot to say maybe the most important stuff, which is all real working lrls are detectors (active or passive types) ) of Second Magnetic Field Phenomenon, (not derivation of primary vectorial field), which is in natural essence Shock-Wave or better had great Tesla said, Sound-Wave of Aether. Simply to understand kind of compression/decompression waves, which under special circumstances even could be a standing-waves, a Magnetic standing waves. Mathematical apparatus already has written but.... everything must be at the right time and righ place for the Renaissance.

Best regards
Dubulumach

Hi Dubulumach,
What you say is interesting but it is beyond my knowledge. But as I see it, it is not necessary to elaborate in this direction, I leave this task to others, certainly more competent than me. My lrl works in the range of 2.5Mhz to 10Mhz frequencies and with an input frequency in the 80Mhz - 120Mhz range. In this frequency range there is no particular that allows a greater sensitivity or some discrimination. The version with CD4046 was designed to achieve some discrimination and in the original (unpublished) version the phase changes were compared with the amplitude variations, but I did not get positive results and so I decided to post only the part related to the phase changes. I have always recommended the version with the quartz oscillator because it is easier to make and the sensitivity is practically the same. Finally I want to add that it is not practical to increase the sensitivity too much otherwise the compass effect appears and this makes the tool very difficult to use.
Best Regards.

[Geo]

Hi Franco.
Now for us the years gone .
It is time for the new members

Regards

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Franco.
Now for us the years gone .
It is time for the new members

Regards

I Geo,
In Italy it is said in the old barrel there is good wine ...
Certainly it takes some new idea but not only theory but also work in the laboratory and on the real ground.
Best Regards

[Dubulumach]

Hi Dubulumach,
What you say is interesting but it is beyond my knowledge. But as I see it, it is not necessary to elaborate in this direction, I leave this task to others, certainly more competent than me. My lrl works in the range of 2.5Mhz to 10Mhz frequencies and with an input frequency in the 80Mhz - 120Mhz range. In this frequency range there is no particular that allows a greater sensitivity or some discrimination. The version with CD4046 was designed to achieve some discrimination and in the original (unpublished) version the phase changes were compared with the amplitude variations, but I did not get positive results and so I decided to post only the part related to the phase changes. I have always recommended the version with the quartz oscillator because it is easier to make and the sensitivity is practically the same. Finally I want to add that it is not practical to increase the sensitivity too much otherwise the compass effect appears and this makes the tool very difficult to use.
Best Regards.

Thank you FrancoItaly for detailed explnation.
I think your idea is a very good but the hardware need some modifications,
There are many things which should be tried, for example IR pcb attached to your LRL, optical filters, new antenna design etc, etc.

I've made several LRLs from you, and i have also problems like SKY/GROUND effect, in fact influience of local vriations of earth magnetic field,but the main probem are false signals.
I havent made digging snapshoots but i am telling a truth i found a waste amounts of underground ferrite objects and what is very interesting all of them have bneen at last stage of corrosion.

To avoid this we need to modify input front end circuit, like puting in parallel with L1 small variable capacitor, lower overal gain of preamplifier stages, put ferrous-filter (100pF in series with 1Meg or bigger resistor, better same value potenciometer), try magnetic coupling stimulus instead electric couling like is yours, lowering stiimulus freq. with LF variable signal gnerator from couple of Hz to about 100KHz, use full metal case, with aluminium handle, work with both haand, use silver-mica capacitors for whole device etc. etc.

Last year i've got very storng signals frm the acient roman's site from about 80 meter distance with telescopic antenna lenght about 1,5m. Next grediometer measurement (gradient type) had shown something is at HotSpot but the depth was over 5 meter, and what is bigest problem for me and my partner, the site is only 50m from the international highway. So i was quit, because toio many risk.

In any way thank you for your ideas and your honesty help allof us.

ps: My new idea is, lowering gain of preamplifier and use diodes in combination with low-offset OP preamplifier to rise the "halo-signals" from the background noise. With diodes we coud demodulate, "Halo" modulated carrrier in hundreds of mV range, with small OP trick we can run demodulation in mV or even uV range, very close to noise floor of components. It is simple and effective, just use those diodes in feeback loop of some good CMOS OP, while grounding non-inverting input at common via some bigger capacitor. Anyone can draw schematic..

Best Regards
Dubulumach

[Dubulumach]

I Geo,
In Italy it is said in the old barrel there is good wine ...
Certainly it takes some new idea but not only theory but also work in the laboratory and on the real ground.
Best Regards

Yes it is a truth, but in old Italy also had said

In vino veritas, in aqua sanitas. The truth is in wine, the health is in the water.

similar like this one - the vine is like a woman, as you consume as so much, became so softy palate.

Best Regards
Dubulumach

[Dubulumach]

Hi Franco.
Now for us the years gone .
It is time for the new members

Regards

Not for you and FrancoItaly, my friends.

The future will be, like you drawing to be.

Best Regards
Dubulumach

[FrancoItaly]

Thank you FrancoItaly for detailed explnation.
I think your idea is a very good but the hardware need some modifications,
There are many things which should be tried, for example IR pcb attached to your LRL, optical filters, new antenna design etc, etc.

I've made several LRLs from you, and i have also problems like SKY/GROUND effect, in fact influience of local vriations of earth magnetic field,but the main probem are false signals.
I havent made digging snapshoots but i am telling a truth i found a waste amounts of underground ferrite objects and what is very interesting all of them have bneen at last stage of corrosion.

To avoid this we need to modify input front end circuit, like puting in parallel with L1 small variable capacitor, lower overal gain of preamplifier stages, put ferrous-filter (100pF in series with 1Meg or bigger resistor, better same value potenciometer), try magnetic coupling stimulus instead electric couling like is yours, lowering stiimulus freq. with LF variable signal gnerator from couple of Hz to about 100KHz, use full metal case, with aluminium handle, work with both haand, use silver-mica capacitors for whole device etc. etc.

Last year i've got very storng signals frm the acient roman's site from about 80 meter distance with telescopic antenna lenght about 1,5m. Next grediometer measurement (gradient type) had shown something is at HotSpot but the depth was over 5 meter, and what is bigest problem for me and my partner, the site is only 50m from the international highway. So i was quit, because toio many risk.

In any way thank you for your ideas and your honesty help allof us.

ps: My new idea is, lowering gain of preamplifier and use diodes in combination with low-offset OP preamplifier to rise the "halo-signals" from the background noise. With diodes we coud demodulate, "Halo" modulated carrrier in hundreds of mV range, with small OP trick we can run demodulation in mV or even uV range, very close to noise floor of components. It is simple and effective, just use those diodes in feeback loop of some good CMOS OP, while grounding non-inverting input at common via some bigger capacitor. Anyone can draw schematic..

Best Regards
Dubulumach

HI Dubulumach,
I've never modified my Lrl because in all the places I've tried it has behaved well. As I have already said, you can change L1 (1 yet 2 turns) and C10 (from 10 to 33pF). It also works L1 = 2 turns and C10 = 0pF. But if you leave this frequency range the lrl does not work while in this range I did not notice differences in sensitivity. As for the iron I never had problems, as far as I could experience my lrl is insensitive to iron. According to your experience, have you checked whether removing the iron is there still a signal?
Best Regards

[FrancoItaly]

Yes it is a truth, but in old Italy also had said

In vino veritas, in aqua sanitas. The truth is in wine, the health is in the water.

similar like this one - the vine is like a woman, as you consume as so much, became so softy palate.

Best Regards
Dubulumach

Another Italian proverb: you can not have a full barrel and a drunken wife.

[Dubulumach]

Another Italian proverb: you can not have a full barrel and a drunken wife.

This one is the best.

You are very inteligent man FrancoItaly.
Thank you.

ps. small mod for your Quartz LRL, new mV amplitude detector.

[FrancoItaly]

This one is the best.

You are very inteligent man FrancoItaly.
Thank you.

ps. small mod for your Quartz LRL, new mV amplitude detector.

It's interesting, but if the DC gain is too much then there is the compass effect and it is also better if the DC gain is linear.

[Dubulumach]

It's interesting, but if the DC gain is too much then there is the compass effect and it is also better if the DC gain is linear.

Hi FranoItaly

I think you are right. From my experiments with your LRLs "SKY & COMPASS" effects are due to overal preamplification of first 3 BC183C transistors. I think there should be introduced small negative feedback with AGC (auto gain control) smmall control voltage to keep amplification is given range, tuned to avoid sky and compass effects. These effects are like Esteban said due to earth magnetic field. LRL simple catch this field.Maybe we need J-Fet at input with small negative control voltage to keep amplification in desired range,so enough to catch GOLD and SILVER targets, while are not present SKY & COMPASS" effect, alos known as "Horizon" effect.

I have some ideas we should try, but now am engaged to other project.

Also i think stimulus frequency (oscillator electrical stimulation) should be in LF range, for example 60-80KHz, not more,

Take a look at Geo's schemtic of DC2006, where with only 3 transistors and 2 big resonant loops, this LRL catch GOLD and SILVER targets.

FrancoItaly i am 90% sure that low energy photons are direct responsible if not direct for "Halo" effect but like kind of wireless conveyor (bridge) of "Halo" signal. Interference with upper FM band 110-140MHz could be via overtones (lowest sub harmonics) of the low energy photons freq.

One of RF-tricks for your LRL


ps. Your original PCB works perfect, better than PCB from Spectra PCB rouuter.

Best Regards
Dragan

[Dubulumach]

Keep going further improving LRL technology.
This one is from my countryman Nikola Tesla, very old invention.

FrancoItyaly this special coil i plan to use as LC tank frontend of your LRLs.
This Tesla's invention has very special attribute such , it easy pick up longitudinal waves (compression/decompression waves). Maybe "HALO WAVES" are this sort of waves? We need only to make proper phasing of both halves of coil, via some quality semi variable capacitor small value 5-50pF. Or in other case ground center tap, add resonant capacitor only to one halve CW or CCW? (should be experimented at real target test field) and pick-up a signal with other halve. Each inductance should not be more than 3 turns with minimum diameter wire 1mm, to get bigger Q-factor.



Regards
Dragan