Lrl from Italy

[FrancoItaly]

Keep going further improving LRL technology.
This one is from my countryman Nikola Tesla, very old invention.

FrancoItyaly this special coil i plan to use as LC tank frontend of your LRLs.
This Tesla's invention has very special attribute such , it easy pick up longitudinal waves (compression/decompression waves). Maybe "HALO WAVES" are this sort of waves? We need only to make proper phasing of both halves of coil, via some quality semi variable capacitor small value 5-50pF. Or in other case ground center tap, add resonant capacitor only to one halve CW or CCW? (should be experimented at real target test field) and pick-up a signal with other halve. Each inductance should not be more than 3 turns with minimum diameter wire 1mm, to get bigger Q-factor.



Regards
Dragan

Pay attention to the AGC, with this system you risk making the lrl insensitive to amplitude changes, I recommend instead to act on the DC gain.

[Dubulumach]

ok.

FrancoItaly, I am thinking something, maybe the "Halo" siganals are very-very fast, with very short transitions times.
Maybe we need preamplifier with very high slew rate.

What do you think ?

As i said earlier my best result with your Quartz vesion LRL is about 60-80 m. I think he catch signals from very big target, but no way to dig on that place, because it is very near international highway, here at me in south Serbia.

[Dubulumach]

FrancoItaly here is new frontend preamplifier for your LRLs.



I am thinking about direct J-FET demodulation using well known interdependency between Is (source current) and Vgs (gate voltage) with very low Id (drain current). You already know that linearity of demodulated sugnals is much better when using ordinary diode like 1n4148. And input voltage at the input could be smaller than 100mV, so we get better sensitivity and in same time better linearity.

Maybe we need additional sitmulus for example "bomb" the gold with short impulse bursts for example 100KHz like it had realised in Heatkit GD348 ?

Tell me what do you think about upper things ?
What should be done next in your opinion ?

Regards
Dragan

[Dubulumach]

FrancoItaly read this old Esteban Cabrera Grinok post. I think it is very important to redesign your LRLs.

Some experiments demonstrates that the buried metal can produces negative or positive charges. If the environment is positive in a particular day, the metal becomes negative. If negative, the metal acquires positive charge. This is the "reason" why is important to detect the rapid variation in the site of the buried metal, positive or negative, and as the article refers (translate in English by Qiaozhi in this thread, read it!!!), Zahori detects the most minimum umbalance of charges, positive or negative. The article also refers that is possible to detect various kinds of fields, not only the AC fields, in theory also radiactivity. Buried metal for long time contain a quantity of energy. The oscillator based on the 555 justly despolarize the antenna in the supossed case it acquires nocive charges for the detection.

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11674&highlight=ionic&page=4

Also capacitor in series with the telescope antenna is not a good variant according to Estaban, because from his experiments it will pick up all kind of interference.

We need to design a new sensor.

Should there be positive results if we make antenna pre biasing, charging the outer surface with some controlled ammount of possitive and negative charges (still unknown for science), directly from the independent battery source.

Zahori is very sensitive with very low sampling rates. All below 100 samples per second is good according to Esteban experiments.

What do you think FrancoItaly ?

ps: About ionic fields in the water (Esteban information), I can report data from one old German natural researcher that in some special nights, with naked eyes could be seen billions of tiny sparks in slow flowing German river Rhine, with her main tributaries Moselle, Main, Necker, Weser and Elbe. So information about 4 times greater detection distance with LRLs in the water, contrary to the soil is truth.

Regsrds
Dragan

[Dubulumach]

FrancoItaly, would you like to analyse and give me some suggestions (positive & negative) about this new type "Halo-effect" sensor.

I've gave him a name "SFCH Sensor". It is semi-passive type. I've take in account many useful suggestions from Esteban Cabrera Grinok.

Thank you.

Regards
Dubulumach

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Dubulumach,
You propose many changes and I think it's better to open a new thread. I think the only advice I can give you is to put the changes into practice. I can tell you the tests I did in the past and then I discarded. I used the CA3130 for the input stage in a low frequency and very high impedance version, but it proved to be extremely sensitive to walls, trees and the ground itself, therefore practically unusable and this excludes the possibility in some way to use the measurement of ions to reveal the "phenomenon". Furthermore, the first working lrl I made was in practice a pulse induction MD with a transmitting coil (about 10cm diameter), a receiving coil (a single turn) perpendicular to the transmitting coil and an input stage formed by a toroidal ferrite with three windings, one connected to the antenna (V-shaped), one connected to the receiving coil and one connected to the input stage. The three windings were tuned to the operating frequency of the transmitter coil (which was not damped as in the usual MDs). The oscillation frequency of the MD was 60Khz but that at the ends of the transmitter coil were not damped oscillations of about 5Mhz. In this type of lrl I can exclude that there was somehow the frequency of about 100Mhz as in my last lrl.

[perzo]

PCB

HI ALL: pleas see PCB franco ITALY.

[perzo]

THis layout file
http://s9.picofile.com/file/8322982868/franco.LAY.html

[perzo]

picture

http://s9.picofile.com/file/8322983034/fg.JPG

[Dubulumach]

Hi Dubulumach,
You propose many changes and I think it's better to open a new thread. I think the only advice I can give you is to put the changes into practice. I can tell you the tests I did in the past and then I discarded. I used the CA3130 for the input stage in a low frequency and very high impedance version, but it proved to be extremely sensitive to walls, trees and the ground itself, therefore practically unusable and this excludes the possibility in some way to use the measurement of ions to reveal the "phenomenon". Furthermore, the first working lrl I made was in practice a pulse induction MD with a transmitting coil (about 10cm diameter), a receiving coil (a single turn) perpendicular to the transmitting coil and an input stage formed by a toroidal ferrite with three windings, one connected to the antenna (V-shaped), one connected to the receiving coil and one connected to the input stage. The three windings were tuned to the operating frequency of the transmitter coil (which was not damped as in the usual MDs). The oscillation frequency of the MD was 60Khz but that at the ends of the transmitter coil were not damped oscillations of about 5Mhz. In this type of lrl I can exclude that there was somehow the frequency of about 100Mhz as in my last lrl.

Thank you FrancoItaly

Very interesting experiments you did, and very smart configuration of your modified pulse induction MD wit non dumped transmitting coil.
maybe i need to start exactly from that configuration. Only i want to know, does this modified PI-LRL has ability to discriminate (classify targets) according to Esteban Cabrera Grinok, between gold, silver, copper, aluminium and ferrous targets ?

If your answer is positive, i think i would like start from exactly your configuration and listen your next suggestions and advices.
I think i can do it, but need some time to check up new hardware at real terrains with real ancient targets.

My logic is so simple. Why to rediscover something you already did and it work good. I need a real working LRL for me and my best friend, not for comercial purposes, not for glory, not for grants etc.etc. Only one good working LRL any possible type which tuned work good with GOLD, SILVER classifier for prospecting with my friend Bojan, mostly ancient roman's terrains here at South Serbia. I need to get away from mountain where i am currently living. Geo has some photos of my old house in highlands. I need to come back to city again and very probably get away from Serbia, maybe Greece, maybe Italy, maybe Brazil. Who knows ?

Best wishes and regards
from the mountain
Dragan

[dojranski]

MISTER PERZO HERE YOU HAVE A ERROR

[Dubulumach]

My south curiosity

Does anybody did measurement of quartz crystal frequency drift in presence of "Hallo" phenomenon (silica quartz chip flooded in the "Halo cloud") ?.

If there is a very tiny freq.drift, for example 1ppm (parts per million of Hz), and measurement were done correctly, well than we have found a perfect "Halo sensor".

Regards
Dubulumach

[FrancoItaly]

Hi Dubulumach,
my lrl "pulse induction" did not have the discrimination. I don't think that there is a single frequency i.e. only for gold and not for other metals. Perhaps there is a range of frequencies where the gold responds better then other metals, you can try putting in place of C10 a varactor diode and do a scan, manual with potentiometer or automatic with oscillator (0.5 Hz or less). Anyway I don't think that the discrimination is necessary, the lrl is not sensible for iron, if the target is out the range of a MD it is certainly an interesting metal, very unlikely to be aluminum or other "modern" metal. If the research area is in the mountains then it is unlikely that there will be much metal waste. The strength of an lrl is that it is possible to explore a large area in a short time even if there are almost insurmountable obstacles for an MD (vegetation, walls and ruins).

[Dubulumach]

Thank you FrancoItaly, You are really GOLD MAN.

Best regards
Dragan

[Dubulumach]

Hey FrancoItaly

Good afternoon

I think these emails are very important. Both are from MorgandePortugal. If all he said is a truth, and i think he is not a fraud, we need AGC whatever we make your or his version of LRLs. I was experimenting a lot with your PLL LRL and Quartz LRL, and found some intersting behaviour. One of many is we need periodicaly discharge telescopic antenna simply touching the ground for a moment. It seems "Halo" particles on some way were glued to antenna and overload frontend premplifier, moving working point over the safe threshold and boost earth mag.field detection. All kind od Sky/Ground/Compass effect are due to detection of very weak Earth H-field.

Looking for this terrible problem i was found some interesting new dated research in magnetometry logging and i think you should read whole science article. Seems you have right because we have deal with some kind of motional electric field with spinning. Of course these experimental data are not for public use, so if you are interesting i will send you a copy to your email. Just drop me your email link via private message.

Second, I've madee a preliminary design of new passivew receiver frontend (change original Alonso circuit), with new AGC block, linearised demodulation output, and couple of LPF stages. This new design work with 2 ferrite rods, one is active and other use to balance the 1st to avoid Sky/Ground/Compass overload as MorgandePortugal said. I will no post my schematic, to avoid steal of my ideas. Even Esteban didn't posted complete schematics of his working LRLs.

There is new idea working with 3 ferrite rods wit same permeability in differential configuration, where two rods are active and 3rd is a balance rod. This configuration gives new opportunity like gradien measurement, which could be important as i think. This imply use of very high dV/dt preamplifierswith biggest possible GBWP, with new synchro detector system to cut-off unwanted noise jamming and all kind od interferences.

The big problems are correct frequencies of passive receiver. 77KHz simple do nothing here in South Serbia. I need a new empirical data.

"Hello
As Franco Italy told you,this is the compass efect,it hapens with very sensitive LRLs,in some countries the PDK-2.1 have this problem,and the solution is reduce the sensitivity or calibrate the LRL in the direction of this lines,this way avoid completly the interference and still enough power to locate buried targets. Maybe the PDK videos i post in this forum help you to understand HOW TO PINPOINT the buried objects,what is more dificult is most of the gold or silver objects are located with PDK in only one direction (see the video of gold object found by robalocarapanda,where is possible to see clear,the PDK locate only in one direction) however there are other object that are located in two dir. others in three or even four dir., one good way to learn is to use the method of TRIANGULATE ,where you check the signals in all directions and make ground MARKS to understand the position of this object. Other mistery is when you finaly locate the exat point where the object is buried,still another problem with the PDKs and maybe the ToTEM too,when you lower the LRL less than one meter above the target the LRL OVERLOAD and lost the signal ,and when you raise it again for 1m or more above,the signal returns (check this Phenomenon in the robalocarapanda video) all this caracteristics was signaled by me in this forum many times. Happy days for you and your family.

Regards
Morgan"


"I believe you locate N-S magnetic lines,becouse this can hapen very often when the coil or ferrite is not well balance or other possibility is wrong number of turns in the RX(receptor) coil,also little change in value of capacitor near RX some times solve the problem, but,as i told before, the more fast solution is to calibrate the ToTeM in the direction of this N-S line and start a search.This way the LRL only locate the buried objects and avoid the N-S lines. We have many many things to learn about LRLs,but it will worth all the time we lost with them !!! People like Funfinder,Max,WD40 etc etc , are allways present as skeptics becouse ,you know,still skeptics that said the men never arrive to the moon,and when some of them locate gold coins with LRLs,they will say,this is coincidence...thats it".

Good Luck
Morgan"

ps: You should try schottky diode sensor with tuned shorted wave-guide attached to your telescope antenna, because the simply fact there is 10dB boost of overal sensitivity for your LRL's, using it. If you want i will send you "know how" via private email.

Best regards
Dragan
South Serbia
East Balkan (not west like EU politician lie).