For all engineers in electronics and designers of LRL's

[Dell Winders]

Then you are an idiot for making such a single minded statement as only ignorance would. Pure & Simple. There are a lot of things mounted on Swivels. Yours is not the end of the story. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Then you are an idiot for making such a single minded statement as only ignorance would. Pure & Simple. There are a lot of things mounted on Swivels. Yours is not the end of the story. Dell

Once again you're back to name calling.

I know it's difficult, but please try to carry on an intelligent conversation with other LRL forum members without resorting to using words such as "idiot". This sort of bad behaviour tends to reflect back onto the person doing the name calling.

Yes, there are lots of things mounted on swivel handles, but (in the context of this discussion) anything mounted on a swivel handle is a dowsing rod. Even if you add a "magic" box of electronics, or simply tape a cheap calculator on top of it, doesn't change the fact that it is capable of detecting nothing but gravity. Unless (of course) you're a swivel-handled LRL manufacturer, in which case it is very capable of detecting money in other people's wallets.

[Dell Winders]

Once again you're back to name calling.

I know it's difficult, but please try to carry on an intelligent conversation with other LRL forum members without resorting to using words such as "idiot". This sort of bad behaviour tends to reflect back onto the person doing the name calling.

Yes, there are lots of things mounted on swivel handles, but (in the context of this discussion) anything mounted on a swivel handle is a dowsing rod. Even if you add a "magic" box of electronics, or simply tape a cheap calculator on top of it, doesn't change the fact that it is capable of detecting nothing but gravity. Unless (of course) you're a swivel-handled LRL manufacturer, in which case it is very capable of detecting money in other people's wallets.

You made your ignoramus statement in the context of a product that is known as a "Directional Locator" There are numerous unrelated products that fall in that category,demonstrating once again that you know nothing of what you speak of in your pretense.

It would seem you wear the Idiot label as a badge of honor, by your continuous addition of erroneous remarks to other peoples posts. The Idiot label, might cease when you stop your know it all pretense. and enter into open minded discussion with those who have the experience you don't have, and are therefore more knowledgeable of the subject.

By definition, Dowsing is a mental application using a trained mind/muscle, Ideomotor response to move and direct an object toward the target of focus. The devices in the videos might raise question as to whether this is a Mental application, or if it was a physics application of electronics. There is no way you can make an accurate determination just by looking at the videos. There is no visual evidence in the videos that would conclude one way, or the other.

You try to pretend to be Scientific, while speaking only according to your often fanatical "Beliefs". For you, Ignorance does appear to be Bliss, or just a way of attracting attention to your self, and away from the facts.

There is no truth, or scientific evidence to your Idiotic claim that all LRL electronics mounted on a swivel handle is a Dowsing Rod, no more than your claim that your guessing is as good as my Dowsing. Do you have facts to back up either of your fake claims? Dell

[Qiaozhi]

You made your ignoramus statement in the context of a product that is known as a "Directional Locator" There are numerous unrelated products that fall in that category,demonstrating once again that you know nothing of what you speak of in your pretense.

Still name calling then? Did you know that's the sign of someone who is losing the argument? You've just called me an "idiot" a total number of 6 times in your post, plus an ignoramus. You must be losing very badly.

Seriously though, you haven't got a leg to stand on. Dowsing has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt as a mind trick. In case you're still confused (which I'm sure you are) this means that any so-called detection of an external target by using a dowsing rod is a matter of self-deception. In your case, 30+ years of self-deception.

It would seem you wear the Idiot label as a badge of honor, by your continuous addition of erroneous remarks to other peoples posts. The Idiot label, might cease when you stop your know it all pretense. and enter into open minded discussion with those who have the experience you don't have, and are therefore more knowledgeable of the subject.

"[those] more knowledgeable of the subject." That's funny!

By definition, Dowsing is a mental application using a trained mind/muscle,

Even funnier!

Ideomotor response to move and direct an object toward the target of focus. The devices in the videos might raise question as to whether this is a Mental application, or if it was a physics application of electronics. There is no way you can make an accurate determination just by looking at the videos. There is no visual evidence in the videos that would conclude one way, or the other.

There is all the evidence you need in the video. The device is mounted on a swivel handle ... aka a dowsing rod. Dowsing doesn't work. Therefore, the conclusion is it's a scam. Elementary dear Dell.

You try to pretend to be Scientific, while speaking only according to your often fanatical "Beliefs".

"Fanatical" hey?
The truth is, I don't really care one way or the other what you personally believe. You might truly be self-deluded, or on the other hand, you may be pretending to be a believer as a way of earning a living. In either case, the skeptics are here to slow the spread of your deluded thoughts. I'm not even sure why you bother to post on this LRL forum, as your rants only help in assisting us in spreading the message. Or, as you would put it, the "skeptic agenda". So keep going, as the more you rant, the more the anti-dowsing message is spread around the internet.

For you, Ignorance does appear to be Bliss, or just a way of attracting attention to your self, and away from the facts.

Each sentence just gets more hilarious.

There is no truth, or scientific evidence to your Idiotic claim that all LRL electronics mounted on a swivel handle is a Dowsing Rod, no more than your claim that your guessing is as good as my Dowsing. Do you have facts to back up either of your fake claims? Dell

There is plenty of evidence, if you bothered to look for it. But first you need to un-bury your head from the sand. Unfortunately (in your case) the sands of self-delusion run very deep.

[Dell Winders]

Your talk is cheap. Show us the conclusive evidence that shows that the movement of electronics mounted on a Swivel is always Mentalally controlled( Dowsing).

You know you can't. If you are deluded into thinking you can the question begs to be asked,
Since when does a frequency generator, AM radio, Radar, or Automatic Radio Direction Finder, for examples, stop functioning be cause they are mounted by knowledgeable people on a swivel, by design or purpose?

In my experience they continue to function electronically whether the action is created by electronics, or a person manually controlling the rotation and direction.

I'm sure any rational minded person will agree with this, so why are you the only one here that insists on arguing about things you can't possibly prove? Just add a disclaimer to your posts that you are speaking from your own personal opinion and that your comments may, or may not be truth, or Scientific fact, and you won't have to be concerned with being corrected. Dell

[Carl-NC]

Your talk is cheap. Show us the conclusive evidence that shows that the movement of electronics mounted on a Swivel is always Mentalally controlled( Dowsing).

A vice will do it every time.

You know you can't. If you are deluded into thinking you can the question begs to be asked,
Since when does a frequency generator, AM radio, Radar, or Automatic Radio Direction Finder, for examples, stop functioning be cause they are mounted by knowledgeable people on a swivel, by design or purpose?

If you mount a frequency generator, AM radio, Radar, or Automatic Radio Direction Finder, for examples, on a swivel handle and claim they will locate distant buried treasure, then see the above answer.

In my experience they continue to function electronically whether the action is created by electronics, or a person manually controlling the rotation and direction.

A bench vice is devastatingly effective test to see whether the action of a swivel-based LRL is created by electronics, or a person manually controlling the rotation and direction. I'll bet it shows it's the person every single time. I'll even put money on it.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

A vice will do it every time.

If you mount a frequency generator, AM radio, Radar, or Automatic Radio Direction Finder, for examples, on a swivel handle and claim they will locate distant buried treasure, then see the above answer.

A bench vice is devastatingly effective test to see whether the action of a swivel-based LRL is created by electronics, or a person manually controlling the rotation and direction. I'll bet it shows it's the person every single time. I'll even put money on it.

- Carl

That is indeed a fair test if conducted in the field. But Qiaozhi, or you, have never shown that you have ever conducted any such LRL field tests under favorable operating conditions? You seem to pride your self in "do as I say, Not as I do" hypocricy

You continue to sanction and allow your Moderator, Qiaozhi, to misconstrue, harass, and badger certain forum members while attempting scam your viewers with false & erroneous comments based on personal "BELIEF", without any supporting field evidence, facts, or truth. Why is that Carl? Do you believe your own past lies when perpetrated by someone else is going to protect you from your past? Randi's lies caught up with him and he is paying the price. He is no longer there to mentor and support you. You are on your own to face a future based on a past of habitual lieing. To a person of conscience that would present a scary outcome.

Whatever happened to your supposed LRL forum where Skeptics would not be permitted to comment. Is putting in a biased puppet moderator your way of circumventing this?

At least, add a disclaimer to the moderators posts stating that his comments are not necessarily based on fact, or science, but are only an opinion based on the personal BELIEFS of the Moderator.

That would go a long way in demonstrating a show of honesty, whether true, or not. Dell

[pablo72]

Very well said Mr. Winders. Many lrl entusiasts here have the same impression. The forum is for lrl users, people that use it and lrl ideas.
If the moderator not accept lrls, writing texts against, why he is the moderator and why this forum exists, no?

[Qiaozhi]

Very well said Mr. Winders. Many lrl entusiasts here have the same impression. The forum is for lrl users, people that use it and lrl ideas.
If the moderator not accept lrls, writing texts against, why he is the moderator and why this forum exists, no?

When you go to the link -> www.longrangelocators.com, you are presented with this message:
"Welcome to the only site on the Internet dedicated to open information on long range locators".

The operative words are open information.

What Dell is demanding is that the skeptics keep their opinions to themselves and let the "believers" have free reign to discuss their deluded ideas. This is not the purpose of this forum.

As you are no doubt well aware, I have assisted other experimenters with their all-electronic LRL designs. In fact, we have currently having some interesting technical discussions in one of the other forums at the moment. However, dowsing (or swivel handled gadgets with attached do-nothing electronics to fool the technically challenged) are another matter. These will always be doomed to failure because of their reliance on self-delusion and selective memory. The most ludicrous idea of all is the concept of map dowsing, which is simply the lazy man's way of treasure hunting (or in this case, wallet mining), and also a blatant scam.

This site is the only one where readers can discover the truth about LRLs. If you prefer to bury your head in the sand and continue with false beliefs, then perhaps TNET is a better alternative.

Certain members here (and one in particular) need to be reminded of the forum rules -> Basic Rules of the Forums
For example:
"Be polite."
"If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to have that claim challenged."
"Personal attacks and taunts will not be tolerated. This includes verbal (you're an idiot) and pictorial (posting a derogatory picture). Violations will result in an infraction and possible suspension. Three infractions will result in a ban."

I know Dell is trying his best to get banned, but that would turn him into a martyr. And we cannot have that, can we?

[Qiaozhi]

That is indeed a fair test if conducted in the field. But Qiaozhi, or you, have never shown that you have ever conducted any such LRL field tests under favorable operating conditions? You seem to pride your self in "do as I say, Not as I do" hypocricy

What do you consider to be "favorable operating conditions" for a swivel handled device clamped in a vice? Obviously a windy day is not appropriate.
Would the results be any different than those conducted in the lab?
Do you believe the device will move on its own accord if a gold target is placed near it?

I would also put money on the fact that the swivel handled device will remain stationary, even if you placed a dozen gold bars anywhere in the vicinity.

Whatever happened to your supposed LRL forum where Skeptics would not be permitted to comment.

Wherever did you get that idea?
Talk about selective memory!

At least, add a disclaimer to the moderators posts stating that his comments are not necessarily based on fact, or science, but are only an opinion based on the personal BELIEFS of the Moderator.

Dell - you know that's never going to happen.

[Mike(Mont)]

It's true, some people cannot learn to use L-rods--especially on their own without an instructor. I've mentioned that learning some form of meditation is essential, but this has been ignored or even repulsed like when a religious article is held in front of someone in need of exorcism. Yes, you can learn it 'as you go" but this takes much longer, is hit and miss, and some people give up before they get it. The more I study meditation the more I realize it is exactly what is needed.

Q, your case is the classic case of "You don't know what you don't know." You make the blanket generalizations about L-rod use ad it's a total cop-out. I guess it gives you some kind of perverted satisfaction to claim you are above it all.

Of course it is not just Q with this mentality. Everyone knows who they are. They have this attitude that they are superior. That's phony and it's a sign of insecurity. That's pompous.

[goldfinder]

Right ON Mike!

It's true, some people cannot learn to use L-rods--especially on their own without an instructor. I've mentioned that learning some form of meditation is essential, but this has been ignored or even repulsed like when a religious article is held in front of someone in need of exorcism. Yes, you can learn it 'as you go" but this takes much longer, is hit and miss, and some people give up before they get it. The more I study meditation the more I realize it is exactly what is needed.

Q, your case is the classic case of "You don't know what you don't know." You make the blanket generalizations about L-rod use ad it's a total cop-out. I guess it gives you some kind of perverted satisfaction to claim you are above it all.

Of course it is not just Q with this mentality. Everyone knows who they are. They have this attitude that they are superior. That's phony and it's a sign of insecurity. That's pompous.

It is very difficult to believe in "wonderland" until you've been there! Especially when the current majority havn't...
Goldfinder

[WM6]

The more I study meditation the more I realize it is exactly what is needed.

Probably you are satisfied with meditative digging of your meditative gold too.

[Mike(Mont)]

Probably you are satisfied with meditative digging of your meditative gold too.

Sorry, I don't do exorcisms. I have a book on it but never read it.

[WM6]

Sorry, I don't do exorcisms. I have a book on it but never read it.

Videos shown that there are great gold-exorcist in mineoro team. Did you break all contacts with them?