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[Mike(Mont)]

JP, I can pretty much imagine what happened that guy never called me back. He probably went home and looked up that wikipedia article written by some skeptic claiming all LRL's are a fraud. He probably thought it was some trick I was pullling on him. He didn't know me. I had just a casual aquaintance with his father-in-law who lived up the street from me. I showed him and he called the son-in-law who had some money he said. All I ever heard later was he called him an a-hole. LOL

[Geo]

JP, I can pretty much imagine what happened that guy never called me back. He probably went home and looked up that wikipedia article written by some skeptic claiming all LRL's are a fraud. He probably thought it was some trick I was pullling on him. He didn't know me. I had just a casual aquaintance with his father-in-law who lived up the street from me. I showed him and he called the son-in-law who had some money he said. All I ever heard later was he called him an a-hole. LOL

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[J_Player]

JP, I can pretty much imagine what happened that guy never called me back. He probably went home and looked up that wikipedia article written by some skeptic claiming all LRL's are a fraud. He probably thought it was some trick I was pullling on him. He didn't know me. I had just a casual aquaintance with his father-in-law who lived up the street from me. I showed him and he called the son-in-law who had some money he said. All I ever heard later was he called him an a-hole. LOL

I can relate. ....


The video you posted shows what appears to be a radio transmitter broadcasting some RF waves from a wall at the edge of a yard.
And someone is walking with what appears to be a radio receiver around the field in search of anomalies.

I first learned about this technology after reading a book titled "the divining hand" at the local library (also available online here:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0924608161) and free to read in the Helena, MT library. It showed some research done in the early days of radio in the 1920s and 1930s how radio waves tend to line up their nodes at where there are solid anomalies, such as the corners of tall buildings, or metal poles that protrude from the ground, and even at solid metal objects lying on the ground. It also had graphics which show exactly where the nodes align with the buildings. This is not just a dowsing book. It showed some electronic locators that worked so well that NASA paid scientists to build them into their satellites to locate large mineral deposits all over the earth. This book also has chapters where they show that dowsers can be shielded with metal shields which make it impossible for them to dowse. Those chapters seem to suggest that there are organs inside people which are sensitive to emanations which come from the ground around them that can be shielded. As I recall, they mentioned a location in the area of the kidneys, as well as a location in the head which removed the dowsing ability when shielded properly.

The principle of radio waves aligning with a solid object anomaly is a different principle than what I know the most about, but it is a principle which later turned up in metal detector magazines in the 1950s and 1960s where treasure hunters noticed that their small pocket transistor radios were able to sometimes locate metal deposits by tuning an AM broadcast signal stronger when they walked nearer a metal deposit. If the metal was large, they could notice the increased signal. For instance, a large mining tractor on the ground might be a location where they got an improved radio reception signal. or a buried military tank might be a location where they would find a larger signal. Or maybe a place that had a lot of black sand would show an improved signal.

Shortly after that time, we began seeing LRLs appear in treasure hunter shops, beginning with the Anderson rods. I remember when I bought my first metal detector, I paid about $600, and I asked the shop owner if I should buy the Anderson rod for less than $150 instead. He laughed, and told me I should try out the Anderson rod before paying any money. When I was unable to locate anything with it, I bought a Garret metal detector instead. It was fairly dependable to locate any metal coin buried 10 inches or less in the ground. And by some strange cooincidence, it was the exact same model that Alonzo used to cannabalize into his infamous pistol detector.

But what happened to the other metal detectorists who were locating buried metals with a pocket transistor radio?

This is when we started seeing new products on the market. Low power transmitters and receiver kits began appearing. It seemed that some folks who read the treasure hunter magazines figured they could make money selling kits that do the same as the transistor radios did, except you can set up your own radio broadcast station, and make a radio signal that is stronger than the average broadcast signal.

We saw the Vernell, the Dell and many other versions of the same idea. They came and went, with lots of dissatisfied customers. So here we are in the age of computers, and you have a new version which works better that you would like to sell for some substantial money. That seems a good idea to me because it eliminates the development time and testing and marketing expenses.

But when I look at the market I don't see a rich reserve of buyers. This forum is crawling with people who want free designs they can use to find treasure. And so is most of the world outside this forum. They want to get rich fast without working to get rich.

But what about people like Carl NC? He manages a metal detector company. And there are several others like him who also run metal detector companies in this forum. Their objective is not to steal other peoples designs. What they want is to find new ways to locate buried treasures reliably so they can sell machines that will do this for their customers.

This is where the problem is. The people who locate metals using a transmitter and receiver seldom work reliably. The metal detector companies actually build some of these machines and sell them. But the machines they build are configured much different than the Vernell/Dell style.
They connect their equipment to the end of a buried pipe and scan along the ground surface to locate where the buried pipe is. And it works 100% of the time. If it didn't work 100%, then they wouldn't sell it, because they can't afford disappointed customers.

In the case of Carl, my opinion is he would never consider even looking at a locator that was configured like a Vernell/Dell Omnitron.
However, you may have read that there is another metal detector company whose manager is a dowser, who might be willing to listen to what you have to show him.
Look for Dave_J (manager of Fisher and technetics metal detectors) here: https://www.longrangelocators.com/fo...ber.php?u=6331 But remember, he also has to be able to guarantee the products that he sells will work. I think this means it probably will be acceptable if it takes a few minutes for things to warm up before doing the search. But after the warm-up, the machine can't fail to find what a metal detector can find. At least that's what I think. And I know for sure that I would buy one if it performed like I described, and it cost the same as a metal detector.

Thats the best I can offer for advice, and I suppose it falls short of many peoples expectations, but hey, its life..! and life isn't fair.
Just saying....


Best Wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

JP, I can pretty much imagine what happened that guy never called me back. He probably went home and looked up that wikipedia article written by some skeptic claiming all LRL's are a fraud. He probably thought it was some trick I was pullling on him. He didn't know me. I had just a casual aquaintance with his father-in-law who lived up the street from me. I showed him and he called the son-in-law who had some money he said. All I ever heard later was he called him an a-hole. LOL

Mike, your a good man, and your ideas have merit. But reality says the world doesn't care about individuals. Reality cares about the spirit that tries to live in the individual. what reality is this? who knows? but there is a reality beyond what they taught you in school... you can figure it out...

[Mike(Mont)]

JP, looks like you totally missed the point. MFD stands for molecular frequency discrimination. That?s magnetic resonance same as when Tesla could light up any coil on his workbench. I?ll tell you something seems everybody missed: the signal diffracts when it travels through a solid just like light

[Mike(Mont)]

I don?t have time to discuss all the faults in your post. Reminds me of the elephant principle where they tie a baby elephants leg to a stake so it can?t escape. Once it gets older it is plenty strong enough to pull the stake out of the ground but it doesn?t even try.

[Mike(Mont)]

As Bill Cox wrote ? Overpowering intellects have been known to be a direct cause of Dowing failures.? Or as I like to say, some people can?t walk and chew gum at the same time. That?s because they try to control things too much. Like Lott?s wife, she just had to look back. Not sure you can understand this.

[Mike(Mont)]

Not that I care, but I have to admit it's a bit strange you talking for other people. Your negativity is like over the top. I'll just let it go at that and say you don't know. I don't watn anything to do with you. I suspect it's just B.S. anyway.

[Mike(Mont)]

I would like to caution people on this forum. This guy has been bashing LRL's for at least 25 years. I suspect he is the one who wrote it wikipedia article that claims all LRL's fradulent. He portrays himself as an expert on LRL's. It's all B.S.

[Mike(Mont)]

Fraud: A person or thing intended to deceive others

I tried to edit post #54 "It's all B.S." Probably should have said It's mostly B.S. but still deceitful.

[Geo]

Mike don't spend your time with others's BS.
Life is too short, enjoy it

[Mike(Mont)]

You know it! There is a lot of things I wanted to correct but I just left it alone. When I said "unbelieveable potential" I meant it.