PD schematic interpretations

[detectoman]

may be no morgan no alonso know the true function of pd, due alonso clone pd of others basic projects of usa, for conforming the first pd prototipe, all came for the initial army project sensible circuit whit two ferrites rod esteban show us, of here came pd morgan reloaded major, alonso change from pd to dch´s, after to dchs whit infrared sistem, and the failed mineoro of fresh gold
puede ser ni siquiera morgan ni alonso conocen el verdadero funcionamiento de la pd, debido a que alonso clono su primer prototipo de otros basicos proyectos de usa, para conformar la primer prototipo pd, todo viene del inicial proyecto de la armada con dos ferrites que esteban nos presento, de allo derivo la pd, la cual morgan a perfeccionado aun mas ya que alonso paso de alli a la dchs y de ahi a la dchs con led de infrarojo despues a las fallidas mineoro cajas cuadradas para oro fresco, y que solo funcionan en los patios de esa fabrica

[detectoman]

folharin the pd project isnt easy, the omega calibration coils and ferrite, s are an nigthmares, i called these the tegnic lrl puzzle, morgan abandon the original prototipe alonso recipes, due to these extremely dificultous calibrationsl only circuit 5 be practice for an electronic experimental project of amateurs

[detectoman]

folharin play whit circuit 5, btw in r,s forum, max ivconic, and others ee no was possible build these complete pd

[Geo]

sure, I wanna discuss schematic here, no jokes...

so Geo, what did you see interesting in it ?

regards
Max

Hi Max
Unfortunately I can not participate in debate together with Aziz, and calls us rats. Rather, judge by himself. I am 51 years old and I do not accept insults from any kid like him.

Regards

[Zocky-Zocky]

Hi Max
Unfortunately I can not participate in debate together with Aziz, and calls us rats.
Regards

At first you Geo!
Dirty words do not lead anywhere!
This is not good for anybody!
Regards!
Zocky-Zocky

[Max]

I Think Morgan mentioned this before, but not sure 100%...Hope he will comment too.

Exatly what i though.Also same a Esteban´s claims: wideband receiver, etc etc...remember ?

yes, I remember he told us many times it's wideband receiver in some cases, don't know if PD is one of them anyway cause seems ferrite circuit is tuned to resonate at a specific frequency, though will be anyway somehow "broadband" cause of lack of selectivity (it's not heterodyne receiver or pll stuff... or else, just tuned ferrite coil antenna+capacitor in lc tank so selectivity just depends on Q of the coils...)

I remember another kind of LRL where he uses tape recorder amplifier, and that's a vlf broadband receiver no dubt

regards
Max

[Max]

Thats true,the Passive Receiver is the heart of the circuit,and a piece of art...
The EE or entusiast who can find the way to UPGRADE this circuit, have build one powerful Long Range Locator.

so you state also that the regular MD inside and mixer are not necessary; but if so, like also Fred stated, the PD is similar to the goldgun AL718, a passive receiver for vlf signals, just seems PD operate above 30KHz at around 62KHz (so in the LF band, long waves)

can you confirm that ?

regards
Max

[Max]

Hi Max
Unfortunately I can not participate in debate together with Aziz, and calls us rats. Rather, judge by himself. I am 51 years old and I do not accept insults from any kid like him.

Regards

ok , ok
you're 51 old and offended by jokes of Aziz but let this thread free of this stuff... focus on schematic and what's interesting inside, if anything I mean

I think Aziz will not made jokes or call you rats if we'll focus on electronics, frequency, coils and the like... you know, skeptics are triggered to make jokes and eat popcorn by unsupported claims, but if the approach is scientific and technical no need of insults or jokes here, and till now can't you notice it seems a very quite thread for the average of remote sensing section? it's quite and polite!

so, for you the passive receiver of PD is the heart of LRL behaviour ? and if so, do you think is somehow related to the goldgun al718 as principle of operation ?

regards
Max

[Max]

may be no morgan no alonso know the true function of pd, due alonso clone pd of others basic projects of usa, for conforming the first pd prototipe, all came for the initial army project sensible circuit whit two ferrites rod esteban show us, of here came pd morgan reloaded major, alonso change from pd to dch´s, after to dchs whit infrared sistem, and the failed mineoro of fresh gold
puede ser ni siquiera morgan ni alonso conocen el verdadero funcionamiento de la pd, debido a que alonso clono su primer prototipo de otros basicos proyectos de usa, para conformar la primer prototipo pd, todo viene del inicial proyecto de la armada con dos ferrites que esteban nos presento, de allo derivo la pd, la cual morgan a perfeccionado aun mas ya que alonso paso de alli a la dchs y de ahi a la dchs con led de infrarojo despues a las fallidas mineoro cajas cuadradas para oro fresco, y que solo funcionan en los patios de esa fabrica

army project ? I don't remember that...
where is it ?

regards,
Max

[gibon]

Hi Max
Unfortunately I can not participate in debate together with Aziz, and calls us rats. Rather, judge by himself. I am 51 years old and I do not accept insults from any kid like him.

Regards

Absolutly right Geo,

No necessary to argue anymore when you are considered like a RAT.

Where are you administrator ? .

The old rats arenot giving any regards.

That's what we call respect.

Gibon

[Fred]

Hi Max
Unfortunately I can not participate in debate together with Aziz, and calls us rats. Rather, judge by himself. I am 51 years old and I do not accept insults from any kid like him.

Regards

hi Geo,
You only give the importance you want to this kind of comments.
I hope i will live long enough to be called rat many many time Anyway rats are super intelligent.
Seriously Geo, i am sure Max will keep this thread clean, any offensive or undesirable post can be reported (the famous red triangle, hihi) and deleted on request.
this is intended to be only technical, and Morgan already answered important questions.

[Aziz]

A lot of LRL believers have lost their credibility. And they have deserved the right asz kick. No matter what you think. There is some point arrived, to stop them.

Eat this:
I do not have any pity with scammers, frauds, liars, b$ & pseudo science spreaders....

Comeon, tell us:
how it works and what are you measuring?

Aziz

[Morgan]

folharin the pd project isnt easy, the omega calibration coils and ferrite, s are an nigthmares, i called these the tegnic lrl puzzle, morgan abandon the original prototipe alonso recipes, due to these extremely dificultous calibrationsl only circuit 5 be practice for an electronic experimental project of amateurs

thats true,is a nightmare to make a sucessfull tuning Omega+Ferrite,but is possible with a lot of practice.

[Morgan]

so you state also that the regular MD inside and mixer are not necessary; but if so, like also Fred stated, the PD is similar to the goldgun AL718, a passive receiver for vlf signals, just seems PD operate above 30KHz at around 62KHz (so in the LF band, long waves)

can you confirm that ?

regards
Max

for the LRL work, you only need Coil or Ferrite,Passive Receiver circuit+Alarm circuit+Voltage Regulator=PDK project ,this is the easy way to build one LRL

The PD,also work,but is not AUTOMATIC,and is the hard way to build one LRL...

[Max]

A lot of LRL believers have lost their credibility. And they have deserved the right asz kick. No matter what you think. There is some point arrived, to stop them.

Eat this:
I do not have any pity with scammers, frauds, liars, b$ & pseudo science spreaders....

Comeon, tell us:
how it works and what are you measuring?

Aziz

it's intended to be a clean and polite technical thread... lets them say about PD schematic and LRL theories, no jokes please

I think Morgan's answers are an answer about what they measure and how it "works":
they measure incoming rf waves, probably from a distant transmitter e.g. time signal one operating in the LF band

the ferrite we know is directive and ferrite coils have a minimum reception when aligned as in the PD, so they look for minimal coupling with far transmitter I think

till that is simple rf stuff... no big stuff about electronics

how it works ? uhm... maybe it's supposed that the target introduce some magnetic anomaly and let receiver detect alterated signal e.g. amplitude, I'm not sure, but they use AM demodulation and filter, so it's easy think it's an amplitude issue there... not FM stuff or anything else otherwise circuit will be much different; then a beeper signals the "anomaly" if any...

it works ? I don't know, have many dubts about... remainds me much the goldgun al718 , a simple rf receiver for vlf range, with dual ferrite and opposite windings but too many here reported that goldgun doesn't work as LRL...

but maybe all is at tuning and choosing the right transmitter, or maybe it doesn't rely in a specific transmitter but on background rf noise in that frequency range... who knows... even the goldgun is somehow "broadband" thing, intentionally not selective receiver...

regards
Max