Mineoro website

[Geo]

The fact that the mineoro includes a small uhf receiver (or was it a tx?) is higly suspicious.Is the antenna tuned to uhf ?
Are the rings that are "found", resonnant to uhf ?

No!!!
The UHF Tx that uses the MC145026 encoder is used to transfer the beeps at wireless headphones

[Geo]

anyway he need to find a lot of gold rings to pay the mineoro cost, 8000 $$$$ dollar
i stay with my DC2008,it was two years of work saving money to buy this useless device.
I can stay with this mineoro to make tests and until now locating small gold is impossible with mineoro,maybe in Brazil is possible,but it seems our friend Gaucho no lucky with his FG90,he is from Brazil...

A very simple passive receiver(Mineoro) can not locate small targets from big distance.
In general words it is better to make a pistol with the passive receiver of Alonso.

[J_Player]

Thanks J P

Yes I have seen the other videos thanks, and I see all the posts from disappointed Mineoro owners.

It appears that no one has found any precious metals unless Mr Alonso is actually there I gather, “Seems very strange indeed”

Have you seen any other videos of owners actually digging up a good find with a Mineoro?

And what is the gismo with the antenna he uses for detecting depth of target, is it a mini transmitter or receiver?

Sorry you can see “I’m no electronics expert”

Regards

Hi MIJ,
According to the factory literature and propaganda, the gizmo detecting the depth of the target is the "center & deep" accessory.
This is used to determine the depth of the buried object.
It has no active parts in it. It has only some parts that roughly resemble an antenna stuck into a plastic sprinkler pipe:



Here is what the inventor at the factory for the center & deep gizmo said about it in an email:
When moving the Center & Deep, it generates a ionic/electrostatic field, first by the movement, then by the substance generator of ions inside the Center & Deep chamber.
The movement generates a “crash” , as explained before.
This phenomenom just occurs when you have already found a target and there is an existent field around the buried object.
For this phenomenom to occurs it is not necessary to supply any tension to the Center and Deep. It uses part of the energy which is in the located field.
Read the full email here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...0941#post40941

The center & deep gizmo is thought to act as an antenna which helps to find a point on the ground that will tell how deep the object is buried.
By locating a beeping zone on the ground, they say the offset distance from the center of the target will tell the depth.
See here for details: http://www.mineoro.com/guides/guideFg80.php#item8

The links I gave are not considered factual science information, but they are what the people who make Mineoro equipment say.
Some people think the personal versions of the locators and the "center & deep" accessory used by factory people during demonstrations is modified to be different than the one you can buy.
I have heard opinions that they only sell the de-tuned versions of their locators.
I also heard opinions that their demonstration equipment has extra radio transmitters and receiver circuits added in places where they don't exist in the consumer models.


Best wishes,
J_P

[MIJ]

I wonder if Morgan or any one else hear has built a “Centre & deep" accessory.

As I doesn’t look too complicated to build and would be a useful tool to know how deep a target is, especially in some of the areas that I go searching in where we have chalk and flint down lands, the last thing you would want to do is try digging three ft holes every where?

Also a useful tool to experiment with, as supposedly it generates an ionic/electrostatic field.

[J_Player]

I wonder if Morgan or any one else hear has built a “Centre & deep" accessory.

As I doesn’t look too complicated to build and would be a useful tool to know how deep a target is, especially in some of the areas that I go searching in where we have chalk and flint down lands, the last thing you would want to do is try digging three ft holes every where?

Also a useful tool to experiment with, as supposedly it generates an ionic/electrostatic field.

Hi MIJ,
Nobody here agrees this gizmo generates an ionic/electrostatic field.
This is only propaganda issued from the factory which perhaps hung believes.
From what I can see this antenna does not do anything more than an ice pick does when you move it around the ground.
I can imagine that it would act as a passive antenna element to interfere with certain RF transmissions.
It also capable of distorting the atmospheric electric field when held by someone standing on the ground.
Since Mineoro equipment is known to contain broadband receivers, we could expect that this gizmo, (or an ice pick or a coat hanger wire) could influence the Mineoro receiver operation.
If it really does tell the depth of a buried object, then I would think it has some useful function.
But I haven't seen anything to convince me.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

I wonder if Morgan or any one else hear has built a “Centre & deep" accessory.

As I doesn’t look too complicated to build and would be a useful tool to know how deep a target is, especially in some of the areas that I go searching in where we have chalk and flint down lands, the last thing you would want to do is try digging three ft holes every where?

Also a useful tool to experiment with, as supposedly it generates an ionic/electrostatic field.

I try the mineoro center &deep in my PDK´s,and no results...

[MIJ]

I think this is scandalous that Mineoro have got away with these fraudulent products, if this is true that no one has had any success using one these detectors?

Surly they would at least send a company representative out to help sort out any problems that there customers where having with using the units, especially If they where not performing the way they are advertised to.

Do you know of any one contacting a solicitor to send a letter of complaint or contacting the office of trading standards?

Has anyone requested a refund?

[J_Player]

I think this is scandalous that Mineoro have got away with these fraudulent products, if this is true that no one has had any success using one these detectors?

Surly they would at least send a company representative out to help sort out any problems that there customers where having with using the units, especially If they where not performing the way they are advertised to.

Do you know of any one contacting a solicitor to send a letter of complaint or contacting the office of trading standards?

Has anyone requested a refund?

Hi MIJ,
Some people say they had success with Mineoro products.
I believe takhslambos in Greece has reported some success, and hung reports great success from Brazil with his Mineoro products.
There are no doubt a few other people who say they get some good results, but most people report poor detection or no detection.

What happens to people who complain is sad.
They generally do not get any help from the factory in Brazil.
Of course, there are exceptions.
hung can easily get help when he wants it.
He has made many forum posts talking about his long telephone conversations and visits with the owner of the Mineoro factory.
He explained that he lives in Brazil, within driving range to the factory, and knows the people who work there.
But aside from hung's reports, the customer service does not seem very good.

There are some very sad stories that you can read here about dealings with Mineoro.
Neronc in Belgium sent his money and received a non-working FG-80 from Mineoro.
After a long ordeal he did not get a working locator or get his money back.
The Mineoro factory never even answered his emails.
neronc's final comments after 7 months dealing with Mineoro problems are found here:

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50315#post50315

The events which led up to his plight, are even sadder.
You can read about it here where hung was telling how wonderful his new FG-80 is:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11899

If you are serious about buying a long range locator you need to read every post in this thread.
As you read down pay attention to michael and neronc's posts.
You will see that michael decides to order an FG-80 after listening to hung's posts, even when everyone else was warning him not to...

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=46672#post46672

You will see how michael became convinced to buy a non-working LRL against everyone's warnings.
And you will see what kinds of forum posts convinced him he should order this LRL.
This is why he could not understand when neronc was trying to sell his FG-80 later in that thread.
By the time you get to the end You will see that Kev asks hung how much the Mineoro factory is paying him...

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47308#post47308

The story of michael and neronc's FG-80s continues later when Carl-NC makes his own independent test of an FG-80 here:
www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12226

Read every post in this thread too. Be sure to read every word by Carl-NC, michael, and neronc.
And look at what hung says when he sees michael and neronc slowly become disillusioned as they discover Carl-NC was right.

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50278#post50278

I don't know neronc, but it is heartbreaking to read what happened to him.
I know michael is a good man and very trusting.
He never deserved to get led into buying that non-working piece of crap.

Later, in 2009 Michael described the performance of his old FG-80 in retrospect:
"Dear J_P about mineoros; I personally had one FG80 and used it for about one year in many of hot areas from treasure standpoint ;no result.
I even had used it near my latest treasure locations where we were strongly suspect of treasure existence.
The locations we at last found them by MDL and also tested PD there successfully.
FG80 never beeped there, remained silent. I never claimed it really works".

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96118#post96118

My advice to anyone who wants to buy a long range locator is to never spend any money at all until after you actually test it in your own hands in the locations where you want to go treasure hunting.
Make sure it is working for you, and you are satisfied in the performance before you spend any money.
Do not imagine it will work ok unless you already watched it work when you used it in a real treasure hunting scenario to recover treasure.
If you are convinced that it is helping you to find treasure, then buy it.

But NEVER trust a factory demonstration no matter how convincing it may seem.
See what happened to Connie who trusted a demonstration put on at the Mineoro factory:

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96087#post96087

Morgan was at the factory at the same time Connie was. See what Morgan said about this demonstration:

http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?p=128080#post128080

This is why I say test it out where you go hunting first, without any factory people around.
See if you feel like it is helping you to find treasure before you buy it.
If the seller won't let you try it first, then pass it up.
Make sure you see it find a few buried treasures that you recover all on your own.
Making detections is not good enough proof... dig up the treasure and hold it in your hand to convince yourself you found something.
You should be able to test out an LRL same as you can test out a conventional metal detector before buying.
Even if you need to leave a deposit or pay a rental fee to try it, this is better than spending over 5000 euros and getting stuck with a non-working piece of crap.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Maybe the prototype LRL that Mineoro make the tests it works, Maybe Mineoro don't like to give out LRL who works.....

[humhum]

center and deep

I think that so :

[hung]

Alonso and Patricia just left to Greece, precisely to Macedonia.

I don't know if demonstrations are scheduled but if they are, it will be performed with the FG90 and hopefully the mistery (if any) of greek soil conditions or whatever will be solved.
Also a good opportunity for the hard skeptic greek people here to watch how gold is found in their homeland.

Before people fire me PMs, I shall say that I don't know where they are staying at, how they can be contacted and how they will announce their presence. Maybe you should contact your Mineoro dealer there if any. But I believe by word of mouth, people involved in the MD business will know.

[Geo]

Why again in secret;;;
I had been informed that Alonso is to be visited Greece and I have stated my interest for a meeting with him. They promised to meet him but I see that has not happened.
In Greece we say that laughs best he who laughs last

Regards

[Qiaozhi]

Why again in secret;;;
I had been informed that Alonso is to be visited Greece and I have stated my interest for a meeting with him. They promised to meet him but I see that has not happened.
In Greece we say that laughs best he who laughs last

Regards

The English version is: "He who laughs last laughs longest.".
Same meaning, I think.

[Geo]

Yes, Same meaning
Thanks, showed it to my son

[Dave J.]

Hung showed up on Tnet earlier today doing his usual, and I decided it was time to debunker the bigmouth. Not that it hasn't been done before!

As far as I know, it's okay to post the link. If not, moderator may delete it, but for anyone familiar with Tnet, y'all know where to find Hung there.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/long-range-locators/149978-there-long-range-locator-capable-40.html

--Dave J. , posting as "Woof!" and signing off as "Toto" on Tnet's LRL forum which affords so much opportunity to pull the curtain on fraudsters.

And it's not like the Wizard of Oz where the fraudster, when caught, says, "well, I guess ya got me, it seemed like a good idea at the time." Nope, some LRL fraudsters keep at it no matter how may times and no matter how far down they've been pantsed. A few like Thomas are smart enough to stay out of LRL forums, and then there's Chuckie who surprised everyone by finally smartening up to the same thing.