Testing Crypton OBMD-1

[g-sani]

With these type of demonstrations it is as important to not only understand what we are seeing, but also what we are not seeing. In this case I would like to know how many "targets" were detected with the LRL, but where subsequently nothing was recovered. In other words, what was the ratio of good targets to empty holes?

Yes, it was sometimes Qiaozhi that I didn't find the target, but maybe my MD or my pulse detector couldn't detect it. I know that at the same time this could also mean that I had a false signal and nothing was there. I agree!
But myself I am not interesting of calculating the success rate to present it over here.I am more interesting to get results in my TH expeditions.
Let me ask you something. If you go out for remote sensing whith an LRL that gives you finds many times you will look for percentages and success rates? Come on lets be fair.
Finding a treasure even once in a hundrend is also a very good success rate for your treasure hunting activity or hobby. Isn't it?
Why I put this video over here and you all have the oportunity to see it? I will explain you why.
Because I promised Andreas to record some of my tests whith Crypton and pass them to him.This is why he borrowed Crypton to me.The man wanted to know my opinion as a user about it before he make it available in the market.Of course he did the same probably whith somebody else as well. He made it clear to me that he will count the word of people testing it which they don't have a relation whith him at all. Otherwise I wouldn't do a video straight away as soon as I got Crypton and I would be more busy working it just for myself. Of course later I would make the favour to anybody else from here for example that would ask me kindly to do so.
I told you that I didn't know the guy until that time and even now we didn't meet in person yet. I only knew him from the forums as Geotech or from the Greek ones and I also knew of course that many of you respect him for his electronic knowledge. And this was the reason I was offered to do some testing. I was curious to get an idea and see what he could do in practice.
Yes, finally I really liked Crypton and I must say that the price is fair compared to other LRLs from various companies that you also know very well but I don't want to name them now.

Regards
g-sani

[kostas87]

Yes, it was sometimes Qiaozhi that I didn't find the target, but maybe my MD or my pulse detector couldn't detect it. I know that at the same time this could also mean that I had a false signal and nothing was there. I agree!
But myself I am not interesting of calculating the success rate to present it over here.I am more interesting to get results in my TH expeditions.
Let me ask you something. If you go out for remote sensing whith an LRL that gives you finds many times you will look for percentages and success rates? Come on lets be fair.
Finding a treasure even once in a hundrend is also a very good success rate for your treasure hunting activity or hobby. Isn't it?
Why I put this video over here and you all have the oportunity to see it? I will explain you why.
Because I promised Andreas to record some of my tests whith Crypton and pass them to him.This is why he borrowed Crypton to me.The man wanted to know my opinion as a user about it before he make it available in the market.Of course he did the same probably whith somebody else as well. He made it clear to me that he will count the word of people testing it which they don't have a relation whith him at all. Otherwise I wouldn't do a video straight away as soon as I got Crypton and I would be more busy working it just for myself. Of course later I would make the favour to anybody else from here for example that would ask me kindly to do so.
I told you that I didn't know the guy until that time and even now we didn't meet in person yet. I only knew him from the forums as Geotech or from the Greek ones and I also knew of course that many of you respect him for his electronic knowledge. And this was the reason I was offered to do some testing. I was curious to get an idea and see what he could do in practice.
Yes, finally I really liked Crypton and I must say that the price is fair compared to other LRLs from various companies that you also know very well but I don't want to name them now.

Regards
g-sani

Hi g-Sani ..
This detector had no consistent sound to understand is at what point was the metal which found ..!!! : (

you were so close and had the sound were persistent ...!!!! I would say it works but has no power to say for sure ...!!: (



The manufacturer of crypto will must try to do that surely machine ..!!!

Regards..!!

[J_Player]

Yes, it was sometimes I didn't find the target, but maybe my MD or my pulse detector couldn't detect it. I know that at the same time this could also mean that I had a false signal and nothing was there. I agree!
But myself I am not interesting of calculating the success rate to present it over here.I am more interesting to get results in my TH expeditions.
Let me ask you something. If you go out for remote sensing whith an LRL that gives you finds many times you will look for percentages and success rates? Come on lets be fair.
Finding a treasure even once in a hundrend is also a very good success rate for your treasure hunting activity or hobby. Isn't it?
Why I put this video over here and you all see it? I will explain you why.
Because I promised Andreas to record some of my tests whith Crypton and pass them to him.This is why he borrowed Crypton to me.The man wanted to know my opinion about it before he put it available in the market.Of course he did the same probably whith somebody else as well. He made it clear to me that he will count the word of people testing it which they don't have a relation whith him at all.
I told you that I didn't know the guy until that time and even now we didn't meet in person yet. I only knew him from the forums as Geotech or from the Greek ones and I also knew of course that many of you respect him for his electronic knowledge. And this was the reason I was offered to do some testing. I was curious to see what he could in practice.
Yes, finally I really liked Crypton and I must say that the price is fair compared to other LRLs from various companies that you also know very well but I don't want to name them now.
Regards
g-sani

Hi g-sani,
This is an interesting point for making videos.
When we see a demonstration video, then we know this video is not intended to be a scientific test or statistical data.
We know it is only a demonstration video to show something that can be seen in the video.
What I see in your video is only what we would see if we are walking with you and watching the things you see when you use the locator.

This is the kind of thing that most treasure hunters are interested to know from people who use a locator.
They watch demonstrations to try to determine if they think the locator can help them find treasure.
This is what I think too.
But I know that watching only one demonstration is not enough information for me to make a decision to buy a locator or any other detector.
I know I will want to learn more information, such as how reliable is the detection?
If I learn it only works on special days for atmospheric conditions that come 2 times in a year, then maybe I do not want to buy this locator.
But if I see there are hundreds of tests that show it works 50% of the time to correctly locate only metal that is buried more than 200 years at 30m distance, then I will think this is a useful tool to help to find treasure.

If it works perfectly 50% of the time, then this would be a good locator for Michael to use to help him find buried rooms full of gold things in the desert.
If Michael digs a big empty hole, then it is not important because he still has a 50% chance to find millions of Euros of gold in the next hole where the locator tells him to dig.
For Michael it is not important if this locator will find the treasure onlt 50% of time.
But it is very important if it will locate the buried metal only 5% of the time, because he cannot be wasting 95% of his time and money digging very big empty holes.

Any serious treasure hunter will want to know more information than they can see in a demonstration video.
A serious treasure hunter knows the purpose of a demonstration video is not to show statistical data or a randomized scientific test.
It is only one demonstration to show what the person making the video is demonstrating.

The serious treasure hunter knows he will need to learn more about the locator than the detection he sees a demonstration before he spends his money.
He will need to learn if it is perfect detection or not.
He will need to learn what things will cause false readings.
He will need to learn if there are some limitations that prevent the locator from working when he is treasure hunting.
And he knows these things are not expected to be found in most demonstration videos.

This is the reason why I do not expect a demonstration video to be the same as a test or statistical data.
I see no reason why anyone should expect that a demonstration is the same as a test.
And I think your video is good to watch, and to know that you like using the locator.

I think it would be also very interesting if some day Morgan could borrow a Crypton locator to make some test at his test garden.
It would be very interesting to see him show the Crypton and his best experimental locator both working at the same time to make comparisons of how they detect his buried gold medal.


Thank you for putting your video here for us to see.

Best wishes,
J_P

[g-sani]

There are many other things which we will never see in a demonstration.
I remember during the Texas show the H3 Tec did not detect false locations for places where there was no silver.
But the H3 Tec also did not detect the places where there was large silver such as the 10 ounce bar in Carl's pocket or the coins that Tim Williams hid.
We saw the same performance for Micheal's Mineoro FG-80 which made no indication of large targets that he could detect with metal detectors.
Morgan also reports the same for Mineoro... that it fails to detect gold which he buried from the distances which Mineoro says it will detect.

This kind of failure to detect buried targets is something we will not see in a simple demonstration video unless there is a test garden with long time buried metals in known locations like Morgan has.
If a long range detecting machine does not detect a 1 kg ancient gold plate buried 15cm, then the treasure hunter will not stop to check with a metal detector.
The treasure hunter will continue to walk past the treasure and look other places.
We will never be able to count how many times this happens or does not happen from a simple demonstration video.

But we can count how many times we dig empty holes, and holes that do not contain gold, silver or copper.
The problem is that most people do not keep any record of the holes which are empty.
And they do not count the holes with metal that is not gold, silver or copper unless these holes contain something they want to keep for an interesting recovery.
They do not count how many holes they dig to find aluminum foil or bottle caps or old nails.
This is the reason why we never hear any scientific data to tell what kind of percentage of success they find with their locators in a demonstration video.

And this is also the reason why we do not call these demonstration videos to be randomized scientific tests.
We call them the true name as a demonstration video which shows what the person who makes the video wants to show.
We know these are not scientific tests which give reliable proof of anything except to prove that a video camera was running during the demonstration.
These are simply demonstration videos which show what can be seen at the time and place where the video camera lens was recording.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hallo J_P, of course these videos are not randomised scientific tests but don't forget they are recorded out in real and not in a test field where somebody hide the target to be.
If you could understand Greek language you should know what I am saying during this video recording and about some other line I was detecting in exactly the oposite direction.Have a more detailed look at the video between this interval 1.40-1.58.
I am saying something in Greek to my friend that is whith me in that place.Greek guys know it. I will translate it for you now. I am saying that we are getting regular beeps also in the direction the treasure is suppose to be but we couldn't find it when I spotted the place and tried to confirm it whith my Lorenz X3 detector. This is the longest signal line that I had from all my outings whith Crypton but I think that gold(if there) is secured into something like cave so it might be 3-4 meters underneath in a small room making it undetectable for my PI.
Spring time or beggining of summer I will try to check the place again whith a geophysical instrument which is more reliable for the job.

Best whishes
g-sani

[g-sani]

Hi g-sani,
This is an interesting point for making videos.
When we see a demonstration video, then we know this video is not intended to be a scientific test or statistical data.
We know it is only a demonstration video to show something that can be seen in the video.
What I see in your video is only what we would see if we are walking with you and watching the things you see when you use the locator.
This is the kind of thing that most treasure hunters are interested to know from people who use a locator.
They watch demonstrations to try to determine if they think the locator can help them find treasure.
This is what I think too.
But I know that watching only one demonstration is not enough information for me to make a decision to buy a locator or any other detector.
I know I will want to learn more information, such as how reliable is the detection?
If I learn it only works on special days for atmospheric conditions that come 2 times in a year, then maybe I do not want to buy this locator.
But if I see there are hundreds of tests that show it works 50% of the time to correctly locate only metal that is buried more than 200 years at 30m distance, then I will think this is a useful tool to help to find treasure.

If it works perfectly 50% of the time, then this would be a good locator for Michael to use to help him find buried rooms full of gold things in the desert.
If Michael digs a big empty hole, then it is not important because he still has a 50% chance to find millions of Euros of gold in the next hole the locator tells him to dig.
For Michael it is not important if this locator will find the treasure onlt 50% of time.
But it is very important if it will locate the buried metal only 5% of the time, because he cannot be wasting 95% of his time and money digging very big empty holes.

Any serious treasure hunter will want to know more information than they can see in a demonstration video.
A serious treasure hunter knows the purpose of a demonstration video is not to show statistical data or a randomized scientific test.
It is only one demonstration to show what the person making the video is demonstrating.

The serious treasure hunter knows he will need to learn more about the locator than the detection he sees a demonstration before he spends his money.
He will need to learn if it is perfect detection or not.
He will need to learn what things will cause false readings.
He will need to learn if there are some limitations that prevent the locator from working when he is treasure hunting.
And he knows these things are not expected to be found in most demonstration videos.

This is the reason why I do not expect a demonstration video to be the same as a test or statistical data.
I see no reason why anyone should expect that a demonstration is the same as a test.
And I think your video is good to watch, and to know that you like using the locator.

I think it would be also very interesting if some day Morgan could borrow a Crypton locator to make some test at his test garden.
It would be very interesting to see him show the Crypton and his best experimental locator both working at the same time to make comparisons of how they detect his buried gold medal.


Thank you for putting your video here for us to see.

Best wishes,
J_P

I understand what you are saying J_P.
I agree that the more you know the better for whatever it is that you are buying and I also see you are having very high personal standards.
This is very good and I like it as well and I wish it was for everybody to be the same at that for a better world to live.
But I also understood by now that experience comes when you use things onyourself and not only listening to experiences from others. This is what I am doing myself whenever this comes in hand.
I have been in the same place testing some other LRLs as well and I have done the same also in other places that there is the possibility of a hidden treasure.This is how I ussually do it.I am taking my time so I can also learn by the end of the day.In other words I like using all the available options(LRLs) I have for determining the possible place of a treasure.
Of course all this stops whenever I can confirm it whith something else on the spot and then I dig it.
Everybody has different standards of doing things and learning from others can give you a boost.
A video could also say nothing to me but it can be critical in my decision at the same time.
The more info the better, this is for sure.

Best whishes
g-sani

[g-sani]

Hi g-Sani ..
This detector had no consistent sound to understand is at what point was the metal which found ..!!! : (

you were so close and had the sound were persistent ...!!!! I would say it works but has no power to say for sure ...!!: (



The manufacturer of crypto will must try to do that surely machine ..!!!

Regards..!!

Γεια σου Κωστα,
The sound is good but you have also the option to choose an optical indication of a "YES" confirmation which is a bright red LED at the upper right hand side of the detector.
The only time I couldn't hear the detector was when I was detecting near a waterfall in a hometown river.

[MIJ]

Very interesting posts lads.

Ok so g-sani found a lead bullet but don’t forget that “copper and its alloys” come in many disguises there are about 400 different compositions see hear from Wikipedia –

Copper alloys are metal alloys that have copper as their principal component. They have high resistance against corrosion. The best known traditional types are bronze, where tin is a significant addition, and brass, using zinc instead. Both these are imprecise terms, and today the term copper alloy tends to be substituted, especially by museums.[1]

The similarity in external appearance of the various alloys, along with the different combinations of elements used when making each alloy, can lead to confusion when categorizing the different compositions. There are as many as 400 different copper and copper-alloy compositions loosely grouped into the categories: copper, high copper alloy, brasses, bronzes, copper nickels, copper–nickel–zinc (nickel silver), leaded copper, and special alloys. The following table lists the principal alloying element for four of the more common types used in modern industry, along with the name for each type. Historical types, such as those that characterize the Bronze Age, are vaguer as the mixtures were generally.

The Wilde Bore Brooch on my post header that I found in 1993, is classed as “copper alloy” but also has silver edging round the green enamelling, I have been offered £1500 for this find, this sort of find can definitely be worth looking for, and this is why I think that the Crypton having three search modes Au, Ag, Cu. Is a great idea.

By the way I also have a detecting test bed in my garden it’s by a willow tree about 30 meters away from my patio, “it’s about ten years old”

I buried a “gold ring” a “medieval hammered silver coin” and a “copper coin” about a meter apart and “Between 10 to 25 cm deep”

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.

[Qiaozhi]

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.

Your post was quite interesting, until I read that last part.
We all know the RTE is a useless swivel-handled device. Don't be fooled by the cheap calculator and do-nothing electronics. It will perform exactly the same, whether the calculator is powered on or off. It's only an expensive dowsing rod.

[J_Player]

Very interesting posts lads.

Ok so g-sani found a lead bullet but don’t forget that “copper and its alloys” come in many disguises there are about 400 different compositions see hear from Wikipedia –

Copper alloys are metal alloys that have copper as their principal component. They have high resistance against corrosion. The best known traditional types are bronze, where tin is a significant addition, and brass, using zinc instead. Both these are imprecise terms, and today the term copper alloy tends to be substituted, especially by museums.[1]

The similarity in external appearance of the various alloys, along with the different combinations of elements used when making each alloy, can lead to confusion when categorizing the different compositions. There are as many as 400 different copper and copper-alloy compositions loosely grouped into the categories: copper, high copper alloy, brasses, bronzes, copper nickels, copper–nickel–zinc (nickel silver), leaded copper, and special alloys. The following table lists the principal alloying element for four of the more common types used in modern industry, along with the name for each type. Historical types, such as those that characterize the Bronze Age, are vaguer as the mixtures were generally.

The Wilde Bore Brooch on my post header that I found in 1993, is classed as “copper alloy” but also has silver edging round the green enamelling, I have been offered £1500 for this find, this sort of find can definitely be worth looking for, and this is why I think that the Crypton having three search modes Au, Ag, Cu. Is a great idea.

By the way I also have a detecting test bed in my garden it’s by a willow tree about 30 meters away from my patio, “it’s about ten years old”

I buried a “gold ring” a “medieval hammered silver coin” and a “copper coin” about a meter apart and “Between 10 to 25 cm deep”

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.

Hi MIJ,
The alloys used in wartime bullets could be any combination of alloys.
I have seen quite a few WWII bullets which have brass (copper-zinc) outer shells.
And there are also many pure lead bullets. But I wonder how pure these lead bullets are.
During WWII many countries had scarce supplies and were not so particular how pure their lead was, especially when used to make bullets.
They only cared that they are heavy enough to act as a bullet.

Along the same lines, we know that other buried metals are almost always alloys.
This includes the gold and silver and even platinum jewelry metals. But even base metals such as aluminum are alloys.
Different grades of aluminum have different alloys depending on the purpose of the aluminum.

If we are concerned about the portion of a buried alloy which corrodes and becomes ionized in the soil, I think we will find much less gold dissolving than we find dissolving from the smaller amount of silver alloyed into the same gold object.
For lead alloys, I know a lot of lead will dissolve into the soil to reach toxic levels.
But I also hear reports from LRL experimenters that they have a hard time to detect lead compared to other metals.
It makes me wonder if there is some other metal in the bullet that g-sani found.

I am amazed to hear your report for the Examiner locating your buried coins.
Can you say what model of Examiner you have?
I have tested a fairly recent Examiner TG model and a Deluxe model, and I found that nobody who tried it was able to locate anything with them so far.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Very interesting posts lads.

Ok so g-sani found a lead bullet but don’t forget that “copper and its alloys” come in many disguises there are about 400 different compositions see hear from Wikipedia –

Copper alloys are metal alloys that have copper as their principal component. They have high resistance against corrosion. The best known traditional types are bronze, where tin is a significant addition, and brass, using zinc instead. Both these are imprecise terms, and today the term copper alloy tends to be substituted, especially by museums.[1]

The similarity in external appearance of the various alloys, along with the different combinations of elements used when making each alloy, can lead to confusion when categorizing the different compositions. There are as many as 400 different copper and copper-alloy compositions loosely grouped into the categories: copper, high copper alloy, brasses, bronzes, copper nickels, copper–nickel–zinc (nickel silver), leaded copper, and special alloys. The following table lists the principal alloying element for four of the more common types used in modern industry, along with the name for each type. Historical types, such as those that characterize the Bronze Age, are vaguer as the mixtures were generally.

The Wilde Bore Brooch on my post header that I found in 1993, is classed as “copper alloy” but also has silver edging round the green enamelling, I have been offered £1500 for this find, this sort of find can definitely be worth looking for, and this is why I think that the Crypton having three search modes Au, Ag, Cu. Is a great idea.

By the way I also have a detecting test bed in my garden it’s by a willow tree about 30 meters away from my patio, “it’s about ten years old”

I buried a “gold ring” a “medieval hammered silver coin” and a “copper coin” about a meter apart and “Between 10 to 25 cm deep”

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.

Cryfton, has not the ability to detect only Au,Ag and Cu.
It is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies....

[MIJ]

Qiaozhi

I note your comment about my Ranger Tell that I mentioned in my post but it happens? I can’t explain why?

I think you understand me when I say that the RT some times works for me, but out in field test it gets completely confused and over whelmed by false signal lines.

I would hardly poke fun at the device “as in my post Unbelievable Rare Find with my RT E” if I thought that it worked properly and consistently.

J P
I bought my Examiner in 2006 and it was the just called the Ranger Tell Examiner, I give a brief mention using it in my very first thread I posted hear http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18267

I would be happy to discuss the RT unit but I think we should do it in the LRL section or we will get a slap on the bum.

[MIJ]

Hi, since we have a new forum exclusively for LRLs I finally decided that it is worth it to bring up this video here.
You see they were too many skeptics in Geotech but I see that some of them followed us also over here.
I see you arguing heavily about Crypton in thread OBMD-1 but since this thread is under the Longe Range locators forum(which is wrong) I decided to make a new thread over here.There are no rods and no swiveling by any means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0KsHXj_0w&feature=g-upl

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.
Sorry it is not the best picture but at least the sound is good.

Hi g-sani,

Just wondered if you have been out in the fields to do any more testing with your Crypton?


Regards

[g-sani]

Hi g-sani,

Just wondered if you have been out in the fields to do any more testing with your Crypton?


Regards

Hi MIJ,
No I haven't been anywhere yet because everything is covered in snow for the last two months.It is not actually snowing but the temperature is very low. Day time max 7 Celcius and night time below zero. I think it is going to be a couple of months until I get out in the field.

Regards
g-sani

[MIJ]

Hi MIJ,
No I haven't been anywhere yet because everything is covered in snow for the last two months.It is not actually snowing but the temperature is very low. Day time max 7 Celcius and night time below zero. I think it is going to be a couple of months until I get out in the field.

Regards
g-sani

Wow I didn’t think you have had snow, it been quite good weather hear, I suppose we have to take what’s sent down to us from above.

Anyway good luck for your future searches

Regards

[MIJ]

Any more news on Testing Crypton OBMD-1

I found this link it’s about 2months old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7De8vu16qWk&feature=plcp