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  • #76
    LRL-thinking is driven by lots of malarkey

    The map you see above is not the geomagnetic field. It is departures from the reference field, the reference field being a mathematical model. If you don't understand what the map is, it's the perfect alabi for all this recent discussion as to why someone can pretend an LRL really works in one spot but doesn't work any place else unless you get lucky.

    The map serves a purpose in geophysics, which is to identify regional anomalies which may reflect differences in the magnet properties of the earth's crust over those regions. This in turn helps to understand things like geological history, earthquakes, vulcanism, and the possible presence of economic mineral deposits. The magnitude of these regional anomalies is almost everywhere less than 0.1% of the magnitude of the modeled reference field. Over some small areas the departure from the reference field is well over 0.1%. Such anomalies are commonly observed over concentrations of magnetite, due to a combination of both magnetic susceptibility and remanent magnetism.

    Any anomaly of the magnitude of the field is associated with anomalies of the angle of the field vector. This is the principle behind the Spanish dip compass, history's first electromagnetic geophysical prospecting apparatus.

    The question was raised whether metal detectors respond to the geomagnetic field or anomalies of same. Metal detectors are designed to eliminate such response. Sometimes the effect is seen in pulse induction metal detectors but I don't recall having ever seen it in a VLF induction balance machine. This is detection of the reference field I'm talking about, not detection of an anomaly that's a thousand times weaker than the reference field.

    VLF induction balance metal detectors do detect magnetic susceptibility, but only in response to the field that the transmitter creates, at their frequency of operation.

    And then there's LRL's. Lacking any principle of actual long range detection of buried valuables, the illusion that somehow maybe they do something anyhow is kept alive by pseudoscience (including things like a genuine map created for geophysicists completely misinterpreted by wishful-thinking LRL'ers), by dowsing rods, by sensors that really do respond to "something invisible" which however has nothing to do with locating buried valuables, and by fraudulent demonstrations such as those performed by Mineoro using concealed transmitters.

    --Dave J.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Funfinder View Post
      > a place going a few kms further away and you are allready having a problem adjusting your MD.

      Which MD?


      > Does it have to do whith the electromagnetic field strength that is completely different in this place? But where is this fact coming from?

      An usual MD should be immune against the earths magnetic field.

      The soil and the metallic minerals of the bedrock for shure will influnce the earths magneticfield alot.

      And depending on the minerals some or many of the metal molecules are aligning with this field.

      Perhaps this is the reason why an usual metal-detector destroys the very weak "LRL phenomenon signal". It demagnetized the ground or soil at an area of its radiated MDs detection field range (perhaps up to 5 meter!).
      Yes I am talking about the soil and the metallic minerals of the bedrock making it difficult for your metal detector

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      • #78
        Considering how difficult ground mineralization makes it to detect a gold coin a mere 40 cm away, think how difficult it would be to detect a gold coin at 40,000 cm (a mere 0.4 km, about a quarter mile) through a volume of ground and rock mineralization a U.S. trillion times as great, even if the whole process were linear and not wrecked by the 3rd power law of magnetic dipoles.

        Further consider the fact that commercial metal detectors in order to be competitive in the present market have to implement in a competent fashion technology developed within the last 30 years, whereas in the LRL market technology itself is irrelevant other than for what the manufacturer can bandy about buzzwords that sound like they mean something to people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.

        To people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.

        To people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.

        If you don't understand the salespitch, and are too proud to admit that the salespitch makes no sense, another pigeon perched at the entrance to the bank will drop to the ground, and you're that pigeon. That is the principle behind the scam called "pigeon drop". Google it, it's been around even longer than I have.

        *******

        I'm not saying that it will never be possible to detect a buried gold coin at 0.4 km depending exclusively on signals from the coin itself (and not for example prior knowledge of its probable location). What I'm saying is that the current state of the art is in three categories: metal detection of the well-known kind, outright imagination, and fraud to fill the gap.

        Of those three, which ever you want, it's available. Take your pick.

        --Dave J.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Dave J. View Post
          ..................... whereas in the LRL market technology itself is irrelevant other than for what the manufacturer can bandy about buzzwords that sound like they mean something to people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.
          To people who have no knowledge of the subject matter.
          ...................................
          --Dave J.
          Yes it is probably the most efficient technique for them when they invent special buzzwords to promote their sales and which for the rest of the world mean nothing.

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          • #80
            [QUOTE=digital logic;140363

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            • #81
              OK guys, no need to start a war. Please try to be civil and leave out the personal abuse.

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              • #82
                What you deleted???
                I can't understand what you mean!!!
                Geo

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Geo View Post
                  What you deleted???
                  I can't understand what you mean!!!
                  The thread was going completely off-topic concerning the Macedonia naming dispute ->

                  and there was a lot of personal abuse and name calling. The offending posts were deleted.

                  You are welcome to discuss the Macedonian dispute in the Off-Topic section, but any name calling will be removed.

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                  • #84
                    Already you too made ​​the first mistake.
                    Temporarily Skopje called Fyrom and not Macedonia. When settlement of the issue, we will accept the new name, whatever it is. Until then it is Fyrom.
                    Sorry

                    After you "read" it, you may delete it...

                    Regards
                    Geo

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                    • #85
                      Sorry but you should delete his post Qiaozhi and not mine because you know very well that he started swearing to all Greeks and to my country in general whith no reason at all.
                      As I said according to his uncivilised behaviour he should be punished from you for at least six months and until he is more polite to those they teached him how to walk down on earth instead of jumping from one tree to another like monkey

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                      • #86
                        Qiaozhi g-sani and geo they have right. The best thing you can do, is banned this man. He Can not insult us
                        regards
                        crypton's designer

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by ANDREAS View Post
                          Qiaozhi g-sani and geo they have right. The best thing you can do, is banned this man. He Can not insult us
                          regards
                          I understand what you're saying, and any more name calling and abuse will result in the perpetrator taking a sabbatical from the LRL Forum.
                          Let's just leave it there and get back on topic.

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                          • #88
                            Ok Qiaozhi.
                            We all understand that we are not in the subject but it was an attack out of the blue and when it comes like this you loose control my friend.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by g-sani View Post
                              Ok Qiaozhi.
                              We all understand that we are not in the subject but it was an attack out of the blue and when it comes like this you loose control my friend.
                              In that case, simply click on the red triangle at the top right of the offending post, and report it to Admin so that we can deal with it.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
                                In that case, simply click on the red triangle at the top right of the offending post, and report it to Admin so that we can deal with it.
                                You see, all this made some good.
                                Sorry I didn't know about that.

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