Do you know what is this?

[Dell Winders]

It seems strange that he did exactly as Dell Winders, the only difference is he used real science

On the contrary, I often use so called real Science in conjunction with meta-physical Dowsing. One, an early private built instrument we used was called a Gamma Scan. The Gold in the Denver Colorado mint was used as a development test target from an aircraft up to as far away as 350 miles.

We conducted preliminary surveys from great distances from the air, on land, and on the water. I used my own electronic, and passive LRL's to survey, confirm, and analyze the on site locations.

I'm still called on occasionally to make site analysis taken with a newer version which gives shadowy images of buried targets on a tiny viewing screen.

Oh yes, Dr.Werner Von Braun, was a friend. We used to SCUBA dive together.

"WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE" Dell

[J_Player]

Hi Dell,
Did you know Dr Bickel was a dowser? I sat in his laboratory where he calibrated the isotope detectors and saw a small pair of brass L-rods in black wooden handles. When I asked what those were for, he told me he takes them on field surveys along with his isotope detector. On the occasions when the isotope detector was giving false signals, he would excuse himself to take a walk behind the bushes where he would use the L-rods to try to determine which way the ore was. He showed me a handful of gold nuggets he collected on his trips to Alaska and Mexico. The biggest looked to be a little less than an ounce. He never said whether he found these with the L-rods or by other methods. I think he is the only scientist I ever met that did not mind saying he is a dowser. I guess if NASA needs you to prepare satellites for orbit, then you don't care who knows you are a dowser.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

No I didn't know about Dr. Bickel, but he may have had something to do with the Gamma Scan we used. I don't know. I'll have to ask.
A NASA earth Scientist was this dumb Hillbilly's mentor and advisor, for Harmonic Induction Frequency Discrimination.

Using Dowsing Rods in the field is a often a ba$tar*ized combination of Physics, and meta-physics, depending on the methodology that is used.

Dowsing a map, photo, or sketch is True mental, meta-physical Dowsing by definition. Dell

[carthage]

Hi Dell
Is there any machine in the market as good as the Dr. Bicket's isotope detector?

Speaking of dowsin, I do dowsing just for water, I just do it for friends and I always get it correct and never miss. I can tell where the most powerful point of the water is and where to dig just by the numbers of turn of the fork in my hand.

[Max]

Hi,
I think the machine of above is not, formerly speaking, an LRL. Sure the topic is relevant to remote sensing... but that kind of machines are not LRL as intented here, I mean for treasure hunting.

Why ? Simple, the machine rely on a statistical principle that if enough mass of target of interest, e.g. gold in treasure hunters case, is buried/dispersed under ground it will have enough interaction with e.g. natural in-ground radioactive sources (e.g. radon gas and similar stuff) and elements in a way you can detect with scintillator etc etc the faint decaying signal of gamma-emission from unstable gold isotopes , counting that emissions etc in the time unit (over e.g. a minute or similar stuff).

What is stupid and also presumptuous is assuming this kind of stuff could be used to find a buried treasure !

This is geo-survey stuff... and people using that stuff play with (often) hundred of tousands tons of stuff (think e.g. at oil reservoir) and radioactive behaviour due to that enormous presence of stuff under soil... not some gold chain or platinum ring!

So, unless you know there's the Moctezuma's treasure of many tons of gold buried under say 10cm soil you will do nothing even owning one of these pearls.

I'm not discussing it could work on-board on a satellite or similar e.g. on an exploring well drill head.... but LRL for THs is not that thing guys! Wake up and forget about unprobable LRL dreams !

That's why I think people playing with LRL like some folks I don't wanna direct call (but I'm sure you understand who I mean) still continue selling snake oil here and CRAP to the FOOLS!

It's very nice for pseudo-scientists or pseudo-nothing building theories upon existing, working techologies with direct assumption that same technologies and some other exotic stuff (like the pendulum crap) will work joint forces to make you find the buried pile!

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi Dell
Is there any machine in the market as good as the Dr. Bicket's isotope detector?

Hi carthage,
There is no machine on the market that can do what the Bickel isotope detector does. The Bickel detector is no longer manufactured, but used units are sometimes sold for $10,000 or more, depending on what the owner wants to ask for his machine.

The isotope detectors made for geotechnical surveys of minerals are different than laboratory gamma spectrometry equipment, which is lacking in the extreme sensitivity and the signal processing necessary for the required resolution when detecting naturally occurring isotope emissions.

The currently available alternatives to a Bickel isotope detector cost well over $10,000, and are used mostly for airborne surveys over prospective mine sites. The few hand-held isotope detectors made for geotechnical surveys fall short of the performance found in the Bickel machines, but have made advances in recent years by using modern signal processing methods. Most of these machines are set up as 256-channel isotope detectors with electronics to remove or compensate for false counts and background signals from cosmic rays and other sources. They usually have digital user-programmable library memories that can be input to cause the detectors to produce counts for signature of the desired element. But this electronic wizardry does not make the isotope detector an easy treasure locator. In order to find a concentration of buried metal (or ore), you must first make a survey over a plot of ground, then map and interpret the readings to determine where the concentration of metal is located. You cannot expect to get an immediate signal as you do with a metal detector, then start digging for your treasure. A strong background in geology and geophysics is recommended in order to properly interpret what you find on your survey map.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

That's why I think people playing with LRL like some folks I don't wanna direct call (but I'm sure you understand who I mean) still continue selling snake oil here and CRAP to the FOOLS!

It's very nice for pseudo-scientists or pseudo-nothing building theories upon existing, working techologies with direct assumption that same technologies and some other exotic stuff (like the pendulum crap) will work joint forces to make you find the buried pile!

Kind regards,
Max

Hey Max,
What happened to the irish wiskey ?
It works fine wih LRL !
Regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

Hi,
I think the machine of above is not, formerly speaking, an LRL. Sure the topic is relevant to remote sensing... but that kind of machines are not LRL as intented here, I mean for treasure hunting.

Why ? Simple, the machine rely on a statistical principle that if enough mass of target of interest, e.g. gold in treasure hunters case, is buried/dispersed under ground it will have enough interaction with e.g. natural in-ground radioactive sources (e.g. radon gas and similar stuff) and elements in a way you can detect with scintillator etc etc the faint decaying signal of gamma-emission from unstable gold isotopes , counting that emissions etc in the time unit (over e.g. a minute or similar stuff).

What is stupid and also presumptuous is assuming this kind of stuff could be used to find a buried treasure !

This is geo-survey stuff... and people using that stuff play with (often) hundred of tousands tons of stuff (think e.g. at oil reservoir) and radioactive behaviour due to that enormous presence of stuff under soil... not some gold chain or platinum ring!

So, unless you know there's the Moctezuma's treasure of many tons of gold buried under say 10cm soil you will do nothing even owning one of these pearls.

I'm not discussing it could work on-board on a satellite or similar e.g. on an exploring well drill head.... but LRL for THs is not that thing guys! Wake up and forget about unprobable LRL dreams !

That's why I think people playing with LRL like some folks I don't wanna direct call (but I'm sure you understand who I mean) still continue selling snake oil here and CRAP to the FOOLS!

It's very nice for pseudo-scientists or pseudo-nothing building theories upon existing, working techologies with direct assumption that same technologies and some other exotic stuff (like the pendulum crap) will work joint forces to make you find the buried pile!

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max,
You are basically correct. The Bickel isotope detector will not find a gold ring whether buried today or 10,000 years ago. This is not a good treasure hunter machine for people hunting for the usual treasures.

However, the Bickel isotope detectors are true long range detectors. They have pinpointed gold, copper and other metals up to 5000 feet deep from the surface of the ground and from airplanes. What other LRL from this forum can be demonstrated do this in front of witnesses? This forum is intended for true working long range detectors as well as phony LRLs that don't work. It doesn't matter whether the detector is useful to a treasure hunter or not.

This detector does not require a minute to collect a sample. It works in real time while flying over an area at airplane speeds, or can be used driving or walking with the same resolution. This detector is also excellent for finding underground water up to 5000 feet deep.

If Moctezuma's treasure was several tons, and was buried anywhere between 30 cm and 5000 feet deep, you should be able to locate it using this detector. But you probably will not recognize it on your survey map unless you are trained to understand the other geological sub strata that will be also showing and making readings on your survey map.

P.S. When you find snake oil, just pour it down the drain and replace the liquid with Irish Whiskey.
You will be much happier in the long run.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Hi Max,
You are basically correct. The Bickel isotope detector will not find a gold ring whether buried today or 10,000 years ago. This is not a good treasure hunter machine for people hunting for the usual treasures.

However, the Bickel isotope detectors are true long range detectors. They have pinpointed gold, copper and other metals up to 5000 feet deep from the surface of the ground and from airplanes. What other LRL from this forum can be demonstrated do this in front of witnesses? This forum is intended for true working long range detectors as well as phony LRLs that don't work. It doesn't matter whether the detector is useful to a treasure hunter or not.

This detector does not require a minute to collect a sample. It works in real time while flying over an area at airplane speeds, or can be used driving or walking with the same resolution. This detector is also excellent for finding underground water up to 5000 feet deep.

If Moctezuma's treasure was several tons, and was buried anywhere between 30 cm and 5000 feet deep, you should be able to locate it using this detector. But you probably will not recognize it on your survey map unless you are trained to understand the other geological sub strata that will be also showing and making readings on your survey map.

P.S. When you find snake oil, just pour it down the drain and replace the liquid with Irish Whiskey.
You will be much happier in the long run.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi JP,
my previous post was not about you: I know the device works for real if right conditions are matched... but at other person attitude to confuse anything with a pendulum...

Maybe is some "pen*s envy" he show in every post... I don't know...

I'm sure a lot of irish wiskey could maybe get him to more rational thoughts... instead of playing with his pendulum... like another folk from montana... if I remember well.

Too many pendulums here... and so people start having cunfuse ideas about finding lost gold rings with isotope count...

Sure I will replace all the snake oil with good irish wiskey... mush more round as taste!

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hey Max,
What happened to the irish wiskey ?
It works fine wih LRL !
Regards,
Fred.

Hi,
I drink it at now... so all is becoming clear about my previous posts I made... ouch! I wrote "fools" somewhere... Dang! The fingers drop on keyboard without any intentional movement... like when D. uses is paint-roller...

Now I see I can write good thing even without using wiskey...

Just joke... I know that nobody here will spend 8000 or 10000 usd for such a device...to use it as a coin-finder, right ?

Or not ?

Best regards,
Max

[ThomasBickel]

Dr. Bickel was my grandfather. I grew up around him my whole life, he passed away when I was 21. My father (his only son) has blue prints to that machine and has one that is 75% complete and he was telling me he plans on completing that machine. If anyone wants more information on my grandfather send me a private message. I noticed a couple of you talking about making a page for him, I can provide pictures/info for that as well. Also if anyone wants my fathers contact info regarding that machine (SERIOUS INQUIRIES) then dont hesitate to message me.

[ThomasBickel]

Oh and thanks to Positron for posting that picture of my grandfather. I have never seen that one before.

[Dell Winders]

Thomasa, the Bikel instrument, or a modified version was apparently used for oil exploration, and Treasure Hunting. I know of it's use in locating oil deposits in west Texas. I travelled with the operator, off and on for nearly 3 years locating and ground truthing potential Treasure hot spots in the U.S. and Bahamas.

The accuracy at great distances is amazing. When we conducted an aerial survey of the Atocha/Margarita site in the Marquesas's ,the pilot was so impressed with the instruments ability to direct him back to the exact same Copper, or Gold locations day after day without the aid of any navigation instruments. He told us he invested an additional $100,000 in Fisher's operation as a result of the survey.

It did require a lot of trial & error experience to understand, and learn to interpret the Signal's with accuracy. There are also limitations that renders it impractical for close up applications.

Thank you so very much for sharing. Dell

[hal50]

Hello Thomas,
I accidentially came to this forum and was surprised to hear from your grandfather Dr. Bickel. I am an engineer here in Germany and searching for information regarding the Bickel machine. Is there any chance for getting more information of one of his machines. How can I get in contact with you?

Regards, Hal50