miracle device

[Qiaozhi]

Lochinvar, your eyes are starting to open and see the truth--this is a skeptic forum. I like to make the analogy of the difference between optimism and pessimism is the same as between Heaven and Hell. These people are in purgatory and are helpless. Pray for them.

Lochinvar - Although it is true that the Administrators of this forum are both skeptics, the majority of the members here are not. If you stick around long enough you will be able to determine on which side of the fence everyone sits. Some even sit on the fence.

The various member's opinions have nothing to do with being either optimistic or pessimistic, or even Heaven and Hell. And the skeptics here certainly are not interested in whether you pray for them or not.

Generally you will find that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so prepare to be challenged. If you're not making a claim, but asking for advice, be prepared for many points of view ... including many that are laughable, ridiculous and self-deluded; but also some that mock your question with amusing anecdotes. However, in general, members here are only trying to help in their own way. It's up to you to make your own decision as to which answers are correct and which are plain wrong.

In order to educate yourself about the wonderful world of LRLs, I [unashamedly] urge you to get a copy of "Inside the METAL DETECTOR", and read Chapter 13 thoroughly ->

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/content.php?125-inside-the-metal-detector

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...-Detector-book!

[daryo]

To return to reality, there are some hard questions which need an answer:

1. We see saleh has posted that he saw a miracle locator which he think uses radio waves.
Saleh described the miracle detector to be two laptop computers connected together by wireless link which create a video of buried treasure 7 meters under the ground.
Saleh says "he not allowed me to see the programme he said this is secret) but I think he using ( GPR , AUTO cad and workflow . visual basic.targets)"

2. Saleh says "his device can photo any thing under the ground live vedio as any picture very very clear!!!!!"

3. Saleh says "This person use programmes only."

We see what Saleh says, but I see some problems of what Saleh says:

problem-1: Saleh thinks this locator uses radio waves.
Then saleh says he thinks he is using gpr, auto cad and workflow, visual basic targets.
The problem is: What does saleh really think?
Is it radio waves or radar, which is a higher frequency than radio?
Saleh did not tell us if this locator works with radio waves or radar.
It appears that saleh is only guessing what principle this locator works with.
We have read no real information of what principle this locator uses except to know that there are two laptop computers involved, and a video.

Problem-2: Saleh tells us that this miracle locator made a video of a treasure placebo that is buried 7 meters under the ground.
The problem is: How do we know it is true that there is a treasure placebo buried 7 meters under the ground?
Did saleh bury this treasure placebo 7m under the ground?
Or did saleh simply believe his friend who keeps secrets, and then expect us to also believe there is a treasure placebo buried?
If Saleh did not see this treasure buried, then how can we believe this treasure is really buried?

Problem-3: Suppose there really is a placebo treasure buried, then the miracle detector made a video to show where it found the treasure.
But all of the laptop screens are kept secret until the final video is given to show that the buried placebo treasure was found.
This sounds exactly how a magician would make a fake video to cause people to believe a miracle has happened.
Do we see saleh is believing he saw a miracle?

To summarize, we know saleh saw two laptops produce a video that showed a buried treasure.
The buried treasure was never seen or recovered.
As far as we know, buried treasure exists only because the person who uses the secret miracle locator says it exists.
We see saleh tells us that "this device can photo any thing under the ground live vedio as any picture very very clear!!!!!"
But saleh shows us no evidence other than he saw a video of the supposed buried placebo treasure.

Ok. Let us suppose I am wrong, and there is no secret magician tricks, and this locator really can find anything under the ground.
If I am wrong, and this is really a miracle locator, then Saleh will be able to bury a placebo treasure in a place where this miracle detector can find it.
Then the user of the miracle detector should be able to find the buried treasure even when he does not know where this placebo treasure is located.
I think I will begin to believe after I read some reports that this miracle locator can find treasures that other people hide for the miracle detector to find.
I would like to read reports where the miracle locator is able to show where to dig to recover a buried treasure that the operator of the miracle detector does not know where is buried.
I would like to see the treasure dug and photographed to prove the treasure was recovered. Then I will see something to believe, not magicians tricks.

Final note: The post that WM6 made shows that he is very well informed about real radar technology which can locate things that are hidden behind layers of concrete or other materials, and can pass a double blind test to prove that they work.
This is the exact same technology that saleh has suggested in his first post when he said "I think he using ( GPR , AUTO cad and workflow . visual basic.targets)".
If saleh thinks that WM6 does not understand this science, then saleh is wrong.
No amount of money can change this.


Best wishes,
J_P

very good explain .thank you

[daryo]

I searched online and I cannot find any x-ray LEDs for sale anywhere, and I cannot find any information for x-ray LEDs.
Can you tell us what is an x-ray LED?
Best wishes,
J_P

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[J_Player]

Wow...
Two amazing stories in the same thread with no way to check to see if they are true...!

I must add my amazing story:
One day I went to San Francisco to visit a friend who wanted to go treasure hunting after I showed him the posts in the longrangelocators forum.
My friend told me about the legend of buried gold at the south end of the San Francisco bay.
Few people heard this story, but he had a document that was hand-written on parchment from the days when the Spanish were exploring the area.
They left a treasure map to show where they buried a really, really large chunk of gold just before they were driven away by invaders who wanted to steal their gold.
I don't know how my friend got this treasure map from the 1500's, but there it was right in front of me.
We were both excited at the idea of going treasure hunting, since we had an authentic treasure map.
The problem was I didn't have any metal detectors with me.
But we were lucky, I had my Mr. stick LRL in the back seat of the car.
This would really, really work to find the treasure...

We drove to the south end of the San Francisco bay where the map showed the really big chunk of gold is buried.
But the treasure map did not tell exactly where to dig for this treasure because the land had changed since the 1500s when they made the map.
But this was not a problem, because my Mr. Stick LRL is really, really working, so we could use the Mr. Stick to find the treasure.
After many hours walking through the cold winds and rain, we began getting a signal which was partly magnetic and partly ionic.
We were able to pinpoint the location only after downloading a program from a satellite to an iphone.
This iphone application was super-secret only for the few people who knew the codes to crack it.
But my friend knew all the codes because he is a genius.
Then, after hours of downloading, he started his magic iphone application to see under the ground.
We watched the iphone application to see clear videos of everything under the ground.
We saw the roots from trees, and underground water, rocks. We even saw a jinn hiding under the safe deposit boxes at the local branch of the World Bank.

After using the Mr. Stick to find the area of the large chunk of buried Spanish gold, we took a look on the iphone to search the area.
Finally we saw a very large chunk of gold in the area where the Mr. stick LRL located it.
This chunk of gold was really, really big.... It was as big as a car!
We got excited about the big chunk of gold we found with the magical iphone application, then we marked an X on the ground and began digging.
It took almost 2 hours digging before we hit the corner of the large chunk of gold.
We continued digging down along this corner for another full meter, until we got tired of digging.
Then we decided to see how wide this chunk of gold is, so we widened the hole to expose all of the top of this chunk of gold.
After removing the dirt from all of the top of this gold, we could see this was one giant chunk of gold that we found, exactly as the image we saw on the magical iphone application.
We were both amazed. We knew we would need some heavy equipment to recover this big chunk of gold because it was too heavy for us to dig out of the hole.
We covered up our hole so nobody would know where the gold is, then we went home to rent an excavator machine to dig the gold out and dump it in the back of a truck.
We planned to drive the really big chunk of gold home and then sell it on ebay.

We returned to the treasure location with a rented an excavator and a dump truck.
We went to exactly the same place where we were digging yesterday, but there was no gold there.
We found an empty hole there!

Then my friend waved to me to me... he found something...
We could see a deep mark scratched along the ground that went from the hole to a place where we found tire tracks on the ground.
It appeared that somebody took the really big chunk of gold and dragged it to a where they had a really big truck to load it on.
We followed the tire tracks back to the road, and we could see these tire tracks left mud markings on the pavement.
So we followed to see where these mud tire marks led to.
After about 2 km of following these tire tracks, we came to a parking lot of an office building.
At this time, my Mr. Stick got a strong signal, which means the gold is not very far away.
We got out of the car and we saw a sign that said Google.com World Headquarters at the entrance to the parking lot.
But we could not drive into the parking lot, because a lot of office workers were standing in front of the entrance, blocking the driveway.
We could see the really big chunk of gold in the parking lot behind them, but they would not let us come in to get it and take it home.
We told them it is our gold that we found yesterday.
They laughed at us.
There was a fat guy on bicycle who told us that he wrote the iphone application, that we were illegally using yesterday to find the gold.
He said he was able to watch us dig from his computer screen in his office, from the camera on the iphone.
He said it is illegal to crack private application programs...
Then the told us: "get lost losers... If you don't leave, we will call Google security to chase you away!"

So we left.

Of course, I can't prove any of this story, but it's all really, really true! Honest!


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J-P.

Amazing story, honestly is it a real genuine story or like some of such your posts for fun?

If is serious, really is there any program on iphone cell phones to empower them for such detection?

Please put all details or if know any website to see information.

How was iphone detection details? And; what was detection details?

Hi Michael,
This is not a post for fun. But it is not a completely true story either.

The true parts of this story are:
1. I did go to San Francisco and visit a friend.
2. I did see an authentic old Spanish map.
3. I did find some gold.
4. I did rent an excavator and dump truck.
5. My friend uses iPhone applications.
6. I did use my Mr. Stick LRL, and recovered many treasures by using the method which I often described here in this forum, and which is also used by many LRL enthusiasts.
7. Google office workers did block the parking lot entrance on that day when the photo was taken.

The parts of this story that are not true include the following:
1. We did not go treasure hunting during the time when I visited my friend in San Francisco.
2. The map that I saw which was written by Spanish explorers was kept in a library at the University of California. This was not a gold treasure map, and it was not in the possession of my friend in San Francisco.
3. While it's true that I dug gold jewelry and nuggets many times, I did not find any gold or even go treasure hunting at the time when I visited my friend in San Francisco.
4. The times when I rented the excavator and dump truck were related to a construction project, not a treasure hunt. And it happened at a different time than when I went to visit the friend in San Francisco.
5. I have many friends who use iPhone applications. But none of their applications are used to locate gold.
6. I did not take my Mr. Stick LRL with me when I went to visit the friend in San Francisco.
7. Google employees did not steal any gold that I know of... The photo is obviously a fake, which somehow got mixed in with my photo collection.

How did all this false information get into my amazing gold story?
That's simple: It was just a trick of the mind.

But why must a trick of the mind happen -- Wouldn't it be better if my amazing story was true?
Sure it would be better if the story is true. But it is not true.

So we have a choice:
1. We can believe this story is true, even after I tell you it is false.
For some people, this will be the best choice, because it will make them feel happier, and give them hope that dreams are the same as facts.

Or.....

2. we can choose to believe it is a false story, which has some true elements in it.
However, believing the truth (that this is a false story), is not for everyone.
Only those people who can withstand the hardship of knowledge are suited to believe the truth.

Most people already know the lesson I teach today.
They understand my amazing story post was directed at people who come here telling amazing stories with most of the critical information missing.
You can see my story also includes legends of secret treasure maps, secret treasure-finder programs downloaded, large amounts of gold at stake...
These are all the elements which a scam artist needs to take people's money.
What is so different from the story Saleh told?

Do you remember what Saleh said after telling his amazing story?
"I believe this man about results of his device.... This the man is inventor. He has 40 patents"
If Saleh wants anyone to believe his story is true, he can give us one simple piece of information:
Tell us the name of this inventor who has 40 patents. Tell us what patent office his patents are found at.
Saleh does not tell any information which we can verify. The answer Saleh gives for the patents is:

thanks for you J_ P.
i do not more information .
this is all thing. about him.
thanks

Do you begin to understand?
We are listening to FAKE amazing stories, which naives want to hear.
Saleh will never give the name or the show any patents from this person, because the person is a FAKE!
So I put another FAKE amazing story for naives.
I even tell the missing information which will prove that the story is FAKE, but I am sure there will be naive people who still believe, even after I tell them the story is FAKE.

We see this kind of story attracts other fake information.
Do you remember reading about amazing X-ray LED after Saleh's amazing story post?
Maybe LRL manufacturers will begin marketing fake LRL's which use "X-ray LEDs" to really, really locate treasure.
Maybe they can make fake videos to prove the new "X-ray LED" LRL really really works.
We already saw how well the Mineoro FG-80 works... better to leave your money in the bank and look for a different way.

Then we have another amazing story from lochinvar, who says he located a really big treasure on his land.,
lochinvar tells us he even dug the hole to the point of uncovering the concrete vault.
But the rain caused the hole to collapse and cover the treasure.
Then he goes back to the treasure location with a backhoe after the rain stops.
But he fails to recover the treasure because the backhoe operator is afraid the soil is not very strong.
The backhoe operator is afraid the hole may collapse again at more than 20 feet deep.
Now lochinvar wants to use the magical Saleh treasure finder program to pinpoint his concrete vault.

But why should we believe he needs the magical Saleh treasure finder to pinpoint his concrete vault?
lochinvar already knows the location of the vault within a few feet, because of the ruins from the old hole, where they used the backhoe.
The recovery is simply a matter of learning hole-digging techniques.
The simplest solution is to use the backhoe to dig a hole properly... dig a big pit with a 2:1 sloped sides at all sides, and dig a ramp to drive in and out of the pit from.
Then continue digging in the pit until the bottom of the hole is 25 feet deep. continue widening the hole along with the sloped sides, until you hit the concrete vault.
This is common digging procedure for backhoe operators who want to safely open a flat-bottomed hole.
Since the location of the vault was already known within a few feet, there is no need for further locatiing.
The recovery is simply a matter of digging with the backhoe.
It can be done in one or two days in good weather.

About iPhones and laptops:
These do not have any X-ray equipment on them.
Most of them have a camera which can take still or moving images from the visible light spectrum, and continuing slightly beyond into the near infrared.
These cameras do not see heat or ions.
They see light that we can see, plus light of a color which we cannot see, that shines from a near IR led or other source of near IR.
There is no known program which will change the ability of a laptop or iPhone hardware to make them see things under the ground, where vjsible light and near infrared cannot pass.
In order to see under the ground, you need additional hardware, such as GPR, Geologist tools for underground survey, scintillators, etc.
These equipment do not exist on a laptop or an iPhone.
No software will change the abilities of the camera on your laptop or iPhone to see objects under the ground as if they are in bright sunlight.
The camera on your laptop or iPhone can make clear videos of objects through the ground -- only in your dreams.
You may choose whichever makes you happier: Your dreams, or reality.


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

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This is not an X-ray LED.
It is an X-ray image of an LED.

[michael]

Hi Michael,
This is not a post for fun. But it is not a completely true story either.

The true parts of this story are:
1. I did go to San Francisco and visit a friend.
2. I did see an authentic old Spanish map.
3. I did find some gold.
4. I did rent an excavator and dump truck.
5. My friend uses iPhone applications.
6. I did use my Mr. Stick LRL, and recovered many treasures by using the method which I often described here in this forum, and which is also used by many LRL enthusiasts.
7. Google office workers did block the parking lot entrance on that day when the photo was taken.

The parts of this story that are not true include the following:
1. We did not go treasure hunting during the time when I visited my friend in San Francisco.
2. The map that I saw which was written by Spanish explorers was kept in a library at the University of California. This was not a gold treasure map, and it was not in the possession of my friend in San Francisco.
3. While it's true that I dug gold jewelry and nuggets many times, I did not find any gold or even go treasure hunting at the time when I visited my friend in San Francisco.
4. The times when I rented the excavator and dump truck were related to a construction project, not a treasure hunt. And it happened at a different time than when I went to visit the friend in San Francisco.
5. I have many friends who use iPhone applications. But none of their applications are used to locate gold.
6. I did not take my Mr. Stick LRL with me when I went to visit the friend in San Francisco.
7. Google employees did not steal any gold that I know of... The photo is obviously a fake, which somehow got mixed in with my photo collection.

How did all this false information get into my amazing gold story?
That's simple: It was just a trick of the mind.

But why must a trick of the mind happen -- Wouldn't it be better if my amazing story was true?
Sure it would be better if the story is true. But it is not true.

So we have a choice:
1. We can believe this story is true, even after I tell you it is false.
For some people, this will be the best choice, because it will make them feel happier, and give them hope that dreams are the same as facts.

Or.....

2. we can choose to believe it is a false story, which has some true elements in it.
However, believing the truth (that this is a false story), is not for everyone.
Only those people who can withstand the hardship of knowledge are suited to believe the truth.

Most people already know the lesson I teach today.
They understand my amazing story post was directed at people who come here telling amazing stories with most of the critical information missing. .........

Hi J_P.

OK, I got it, thank you. I applaud your innovator mind. As I was 99% suspicious about its' truthfulness, it is a mind-made fiction story. Borrow me a little of your time, if you have such extra leisure time to make and write such stories.

Why do you waste your talent here? Why don't you go write charming fiction stories like Harry potter?

[J_Player]

Hi J_P.

OK, I got it, thank you. I applaud your innovator mind. As I was 99% suspicious about its' truthfulness, it is a mind-made fiction story. Borrow me a little of your time, if you have such extra leisure time to make and write such stories.

Why do you waste your talent here? Why don't you go write charming fiction stories like Harry potter?

Hi Michael.
Actually, I do spend part of my time writing for screenplays as well as other literature of various sorts when I'm not busy working at technical things.

But don't think my fake story above is good enough to watch at the movies.
This was written only to illustrate how stupid it is to post fake stories here and to expect nobody here is smart enough to know when we are being scammed.


Best Wishes,
J_P