CRYPTON MINI

[jimys]

Hi jimys,

did you take LRL-walking along National Bank? Do not breaking in it, there's nothing to dig in there.

i dont understand your joke
i didnt have any care or need of those (targets) IM NOT A THIEF
i have my real targets who hide in mountains
be well

[elhit29]

IT SEEMS YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ME.. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOUR PDK ALSO DETECTS ORE (NATURAL UNDERGROUND GOLD) IN ADDITION TO THE SOLID MAN-MADE GOLD???

REGARDS

[jimys]

IT SEEMS YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ME.. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOUR PDK ALSO DETECTS ORE (NATURAL UNDERGROUND GOLD) IN ADDITION TO THE SOLID MAN-MADE GOLD???

REGARDS

i dont know about this spesific target
we didnt have those targets here to i can test the pdk

regards

[ANDREAS]

hi andreas
as you know here in greece all the fields have ammo's and bullets from ww2
i imagine myself to go for searching and this lrl start beeping in all thats relics
in a few minutes i have already bored and im confused by all thats beeps.
that i have tell you is if you can mode to switching gold silver copper is better
but you have more risk to lose some targets.

i m owner of the first pdk-2.2 in greece and i m very glad for this i can trust this lrl 100% and its working perfect here in greece.
5-6 days ago the pdk-2.2 locate again some gold stripes second real gold target.
never but never beeping at wrong target.
friendly
jimmys

Hi jimy's
Maybe you are correct. But before start a model, we make a search-market for knows better.
In this case , better is pocket.
About a LRL for gold or not.
I have a customer near your city. maybe you know this man. He have not problem send you mobile-number and you can ask for results from him.
I can publish here only one infos. This man find 236 silver and copper coins depth 90cm and 35 meters distance. If he work with a LRL only for gold NEVER HE CAN FIND THIS TARGET. Sorry my friend, this is true. A LRL only for gold is best for market,but poor for search. this machine is best, only for clean - alone gold objects. But if we have (for example) gold inside a copper box or we have a treasure only with silver, a LRL for gold cannot find it and ofcourse we are lost. Later we produce a detector only for gold. Here customer can find the better choice for him.
regards

[WM6]

This man find 236 silver and copper coins depth 90cm and 35 meters distance.

In your sweet dream. Or in scam tale story. Of course "this man" is connected to you in promotional business way.

I do not believe in PDK 2.x remote detecting capability too, but as far I know Morgan done pretty fair business with his devices, with real parts and labour cost, and I can only support this Morgan's approach.

Tale stories as "depth 90cm and 35 meters distance" are simple scam and promotional falsehood to sell extremely expensive non-working devices to naive buyers.

[MIJ]

Hi jimy's
Maybe you are correct. But before start a model, we make a search-market for knows better.
In this case , better is pocket.
About a LRL for gold or not.
I have a customer near your city. maybe you know this man. He have not problem send you mobile-number and you can ask for results from him.
I can publish here only one infos. This man find 236 silver and copper coins depth 90cm and 35 meters distance. If he work with a LRL only for gold NEVER HE CAN FIND THIS TARGET. Sorry my friend, this is true. A LRL only for gold is best for market,but poor for search. this machine is best, only for clean - alone gold objects. But if we have (for example) gold inside a copper box or we have a treasure only with silver, a LRL for gold cannot find it and ofcourse we are lost. Later we produce a detector only for gold. Here customer can find the better choice for him.
regards

Hi Andreas,
For a pocket size LRL I think 35 meters distance and up to 90cm deep is remarkable.

It brings to mind the productive areas on my farm lands that I have found lovely silver Saxon coins worth many thousands of pounds, I wonder how many are still lying there to deep to detect with a traditional metal detector.


I think I may see if you can sell me a pocket to test hear in UK.
Regards Mij

[J_Player]

I see in your CRYPTON circuit diagram that you using the double O coils configuration,this is not new for me,i made many tests with PDK using this system ,see the pictures,however i use diferent coil arrangement in my PDK´s.
Maybe you right, if it can be proved in this forum that OBMD-1 or POCKET work as a Long Range Locator.

Hi Morgan,
I think there is a mistake in the diagram you are looking at for the double-O coils.
The diagram that humhum posted next to the pocket is not the diagram for the pocket.
It is marked as "General schematic diagram Crypton UBMD-1".
This diagram for OBMD-1 is where I see the double-O coils shown.
You can see the correct circuit diagram for the pocket and for the OBMD-1 on the Crypton web page here: http://www.crypton.com.gr/crypton.html
Or you can see the correct diagrams below.

When I look at the photo inside the pocket, and it looks like it has a single coil.
But it is hard to tell because I see a round cover over where the coil is probably located.
We can look at the diagram for the pocket, and we see there are three coils.
Maybe 2 coils are double-O, or maybe concentric, or other?
Also, a third coil is also shown as part of the sampler signal.

After looking at the diagrams for the OBMD-1 and for the pocket, I can see these are not the same circuit design.
The OBMD-1 shows a Tx-Rx method using two coils, while the pocket uses three coils that maybe are not TX-Rx style coils.
The diagrams also show the OBMD-1 has more sophisticated circuitry in the transmitter and modulator, as well as more controls in the signal processing.

I can see these two locators are not the same. But the real question is for how they perform when treasure hunting.
I have read several reports and seen videos for the OBMD-1 in this forum, which show it does not detect any iron or magnets, but it has recovered non-ferrous targets. I have also read reports in private emails where Crypton OBMD-1 users report exactly the same detection when treasure they are treasure hunting as we hear reported by users in the forum.

However I have not read any reports about the performance of the pocket except the report where Andreas says the pocket will locate gold, silver and copper, without making discrimination.
Andreas also says a user of the pocket has located 236 silver and copper coins depth 90cm and 35 meters distance in Greece.

Maybe you heard some other reports of detection with pocket you can tell here?


Best Wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Andreas also says a user of the pocket has located 236 silver and copper coins depth 90cm and 35 meters distance in Greece.

J_P

Andreas also says: "I don't use ferrite.." . Look at his block diagram of "Pocket" are those shielding or over ferrite coupling?

[J_Player]

Andreas also says: "I don't use ferrite.." . Look at his block diagram of "Pocket" are those shielding or over ferrite coupling?

Hi WM6,
I don't know if the lines in the diagram are ferrite, or transformer core, or maybe magnetic coupling through the air.
Sometimes I see metal detector coils shown with the same symbols to mean there is no ferrites or transformer cores, but coils are coupled only by magnetic induction through the air space between them.

But it would be good to hear some field reports from people who use the Crypton mini to recover treasures and see what they say for distance of detection, and for pinpointing ability, and also to hear if they are detecting ferrous metals, or only non-ferrous.

Best Wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Hi Andreas,
For a pocket size LRL I think 35 meters distance and up to 90cm deep is remarkable.

It brings to mind the productive areas on my farm lands that I have found lovely silver Saxon coins worth many thousands of pounds, I wonder how many are still lying there to deep to detect with a traditional metal detector.


I think I may see if you can sell me a pocket to test hear in UK.
Regards Mij

Did you already try the PDK-2 in the productive areas ?

I mean in the fields where the tractors not disturb the ground.

[ANDREAS]

I would like to refer to the answers and WM6 Mij.
You understand wrong. My answer for jimy's was reserved for the difference between LRL only for Gold and a LRL detect non-ferrus with a example. My answer was reserved for understand well by members , why i like use LRL without discrimination.
The succes from my customer became with model OBMD-1. This model can detect 30+ meters distance. Pocket start now with very small range. Why i must publish here false infos.
If jimy's need, he can meet this man. They lives very near and maybe are friends.Maybe they want go together for tests etc. This is not my problem.
WM6 Not your precious your post. You see I've been trying to update as you can pocket honest about it without this essential. Probably don't want real answers and you like adorable defamation via your anonymous nickname.
If you continue... sorry, but i think better for me stop here.

[ANDREAS]

for MIJ

Hi Mij

....For a pocket size LRL I think 35 meters distance and up to 90cm deep is remarkable.
I explain again this is a example why i don't like use LRL only for Gold, this is not for pocket

Hi Mij

...It brings to mind the productive areas on my farm lands that I have found lovely silver Saxon coins worth many thousands of pounds, I wonder how many are still lying there to deep to detect with a traditional metal detector.
Ofcourse there are many are still


...I think I may see if you can sell me a pocket to test hear in UK.
Remember my last email's from me. Never i say "i have a dream machine"
For example OBMD-1 cannot work with snow or strong hamidity morning
This is because we have from snow and humidity false IR reflections
Pocket is a new model. With experiments us we see work fine Spring-summer and now. But never we make experiments for strong humidity. Maybe has not problems (pocket don't use IR) and work fine. Pocket is for learn all users LRLs with very low cost.
Next month if i am sure with results (humidity), ofcourse i send you a device

[ANDREAS]

Andreas also says: "I don't use ferrite.." . Look at his block diagram of "Pocket" are those shielding or over ferrite coupling?

Continue to have misconceptions about the diagram or you want to see what you believe. I don't use feritte. I use three coils (look with ZOOM wires in photo). I don't use shields. If you want to build this, it's difficult because they require precision molds.
regards

[jimys]

I would like to refer to the answers and WM6 Mij.
You understand wrong. My answer for jimy's was reserved for the difference between LRL only for Gold and a LRL detect non-ferrus with a example. My answer was reserved for understand well by members , why i like use LRL without discrimination.
The succes from my customer became with model OBMD-1. This model can detect 30+ meters distance. Pocket start now with very small range. Why i must publish here false infos.
If jimy's need, he can meet this man. They lives very near and maybe are friends.Maybe they want go together for tests etc. This is not my problem.
WM6 Not your precious your post. You see I've been trying to update as you can pocket honest about it without this essential. Probably don't want real answers and you like adorable defamation via your anonymous nickname.
If you continue... sorry, but i think better for me stop here.

hi andreas
of cource i accept your invite to contact with this person
we have nothing to lose me or him or all forum
send me via pm his phone number and the town and we come in contact
regards

[MIJ]

Did you already try the PDK-2 in the productive areas ?

I mean in the fields where the tractors not disturb the ground.

Hi Morgan,

I have been out testing PDK-2 as you know but some months ago, I have been to busy with work this year.

I did get a positive signal on one of our club sites in Battle some time ago, and we couldn’t get a signal with any of our metal detectors, we didn’t dig the spot because the field was lush grass on a private estate, and felt that it would cause to much damage, maybe we will go back once we have permission to dig a bigger hole.
I still have many sites to search with the PDK that I am looking forward to, I will keep you posted on the results.

Best regards
Mij