CRYPTON MINI

[Nicolas]

Where are you from my friend , can you tell us ?

Hi dear Benzians

It is stated in my profile and my comments. And the gun is not for sale

You are welcome...

[humhum]

Hi Nicolas, Your LRL maybe works with two Transmitter Antenna (58Khz) and one (middle) Receiver Antenna (for electrostatic or different for Hz) .


Regards.

[Nicolas]

Hi Nicolas, Your LRL maybe works with two Transmitter Antenna (58Khz) and one (middle) Receiver Antenna (for electrostatic or different for Hz) .


Regards.

Hi Humhum

If you do the opposite you will succeed.......

[Morgan]

Continue to have misconceptions about the diagram or you want to see what you believe. I don't use feritte. I use three coils (look with ZOOM wires in photo). I don't use shields. If you want to build this, it's difficult because they require precision molds.
regards

hi Andreas

how is going the little LRL POCKET ?

I search for news ,but cant find.

Regards

[Morgan]

hi Andreas

how is going the little LRL POCKET ?

I search for news ,but cant find.

Regards

anyone from the forum who have tested this device ???

[Geo]

anyone from the forum who have tested this device ???

Nothing... even at Greece

[vali]

i do not think ??????????

[Geo]

i do not think ??????????

What you try to say????

[Funfinder]

Hi all
Thank you for invite my person
After long time silence by me, i think is time "open my papers" and say everything is better for all
First for Geo
Why you attack me? Have you buy something by me? Ofcourse NEVER. Have you send me infos about LRL and now you think, i use your infos? Ofcourse NEVER. In this case all members can believe one. You are partner with a commercial user or you need gift-devices and money for silance.
For conclusions leaves the members to have their views. It's crazy a man without a device make attack and publish opinions.. ... no specific reason or you have specific reasons?
Where is your problem mrGeo if crypton OBMD-1 is aandy flind modification circuit?
Do you have something better you say. You afraid if i spoil your market?
Maybe you are afraid lost title "guru LRLs"
I think my friend you are only a copy-PCB man. Nothing i see a schematic or circuit from you.. only copy. If you need more help for attack me, you have friends in Greece for help you here. But here... many members knows well, you are NEVER help them.
OK you are guru. I have not problem. You are knows all. Also i have not problem. For more learn by you, look Switch Section OBMD-1. You can now search if this is copy from... andi flind...who knows!!!!


I think a better solution , i can sell you one crypton (dealer price) for open by you and publish here YOUR OPINIONS!!!
But if you say "i have open a crypton and i know inside parts" you have fantasia, because, never logical man buy a expensive machine send you for open and copy.
Maybe you can buy a "pocket" is small , low price and you can make tests. I have best price for you, BUT I HAVE NOT GIFT OR SUPPLY for you.
If you want say anything .. i cannot see your posts, because, i am tired with your
Now about "pocket"
This is not a magic devices, this is not a "dream LRL", but this is a small real LRL for detect old buried targets.
My philoshophy is simple. We build a small LRL with top quality, best sections work after many test and with very low cost , amateurs can learn "phenomenon" find objects and later with trust my company buy a expensive- machine.
Next post i publish a photo inside pocket and i explain more for circuit.
Sorry i cannot publish analytical infos, but general-infos for help it's possible for me
This is thread only for "pocket". I want all questions only for "pocket"
Best regards

Wow, I see very interesting developments here!

Greetings to Andreas and great you're back! Yamas!


This is a very good idea to offer the Crypton Mini for a fair price of 560 Euro (postage is extra) and 1 year of warranty and with 60 production-pieces per month there should be enough in stock already for everyone interested.

The only problem at the moment is winter time and I doubt it will work if there is the ground covered with snow and even if it works it would be hard to dig.

560 Euro (around 750 dollars) is nothing compared to 10.000 Euro for such an outrageous expensive Mineoro or OKM Bionic "thingy"!

It is very good that it will detect all kind of nonferrous metal because so everyone can test it even if there is no "longtimeago buried gold stuff" around - and in most cases there is no such stuff near!

OK, it will detect copper, silver and gold - but does it also detects alu and alu-foil? Near roads this stuff can became a real problem.



The up to 10m detection capability is OK to start with a real working LRL for a fair price but we need to know the size of the find.

From what distance an usual old 20mm copper coin is detectable and at what distance a 15cm alu-can?

btw. the "just 10m long range" is more realistic anyway if it will come to depth! Because a usual metal detector still is needed for "pinpointing" and therefore it wouldn't be of any good if the LRL-target is outside the MDs detection depth range.


Another question:
How slow you have to scan with the Crypton Mini?
In what short time a 360° turn will still gives good results?


I'm thinking already about purchasing one of those units and I can assure you that I will test it perfectly and give you the best possible test-results-information including video-clips.

As far as it seems yet those Crypton devices are much more reliable and versatile as these PDKs. Looks they are working even if the rain is not too heavy.

I hope some special forum member and PDK-mysterious-chandler here recognises now that the Crypton works totally different than this unrebuiltable secrecy-PDK-tool and therefore Morgan should stop to blame innocent persons!


If someone from this forum meanwhile bought the Crypton Mini please share your experiences so far with us!

Perhaps Carl Moreland should buy one, too.
Because if this is really for real now he would get his first real working LRL! A first in the whole lifetime chance!

The following info is from the english section of the website:
http://www.crypton.com.gr/crypton.html

[kostas87]

hello!
\ Has found something with this device;
Mr morgan has a PD and works , and here in GREECE you can buy with 650 euros!
Why would someone buy something that has done anything like crypton,,,?i dont have seen!

[J_Player]

hello!
\ Has found something with this device;
Mr morgan has a PD and works , and here in GREECE you can buy with 650 euros!
Why would someone buy something that has done anything like crypton,,,?i dont have seen!

I would agree with that.
I would never spend money to buy any locator that I did not first test to see if it works acceptably for me.

I would not recommend to by Crypton or any other equipment until first you try with your own hands to become certain that it is working to satisfy you.
For me, 560 Euros is too much money to spend for Crypton that I did not test first.
Also I see there are no test reports posted from users of Crypton Mini.
So we have no way to know how well it is working.
Maybe for 10 Euros I would buy without making a test first, but not for 560.


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

The problem we have here is easily solvable because we
have already a small sorta "Crypton Mini - mass production"!

In no time we will have enough Crypton Mini owners and I
doubt all of them will live and detect in Greece.

Probably already over 100 units have been sold, worldwide.

All we need to gather now are true and authentic test reports
including exact describtions of the land, sites, weatherconditions,
ground-mineralization and additional important parameters.

If the Crypton Mini really doesn't work at all this would be
a crime to sell it and the jails in Greece it nost the most comf'table.
But I'm shure we all know that Andreas is not an evil betrayer
that only puts so much effort into his work and little company
to rip off poor treasure-hunters!

We know he is convinced by many tests and technical improvements
that his Crypton works, that it works very reliable compared to all
those other so called LRLs and that he creates technical seen
reliable and good quality products !!!

1 year of warranty already is a very good sign and perhaps he will
have the total breakthrough if he gives people the money back if
they are not satisfied or if the Crypton Mini shouldn't work whyever
in a certain country.

btw. I have asked Andreas and he told me that it will be no problem
to use the Crypton in the middle-european-woods so I assume it
will work almost anywhere, also in Canada or the USA.



@
J_Player, would you buy one if you'll get money-back warranty?
I guess so. btw. thanks to Morgan for his great inspiration because
he wrote that he'd give the persons the money back for the PDK2 -
just noone wanted to give the PDK back so far!

@ Geo
Why don't you test the Crypton Mini for us? We know you as good
electronic engineer / tinkerer and scientifical working person.
Do you have a dispute with Andreas or other problems that will
hinder you from this? And for Morgan now 560 Euro also just is
peanuts after he can became rich with his PDK3 so its no big
deal to buy one and test it in Portugal.

The more reliable test-results the better - for all of us!

[J_Player]

In no time we will have enough Crypton Mini owners and I
doubt all of them will live and detect in Greece.

Probably already over 100 units have been sold, worldwide.

All we need to gather now are true and authentic test reports including exact describtions of the land, sites, weather conditions, ground-mineralization and additional important parameters.

What makes you think probably over 100 units have been sold? -- or even one any Crypton Mini has been sold?
Did Andreas tell you that?
It has been already three months since we saw the announcement of the Crypton Mini in this thread.
Where are these "true and authentic test reports" you are talking about?
I have been looking for Crypton Mini test reports and I cannot find any.

... We know he is convinced by many tests and technical improvements that his Crypton works, that it works very reliable compared to all those other so called LRLs and that he creates technical seen reliable and good quality products !!!

We all know?
How do we all know?
I have not heard of any tests or technical improvements Andreas made, nor do I know that it works.
Did somebody make a report that the Crypton Mini works?
I don't see any evidence of testing.
How do you know this?
Are you guessing that there were tests and technical improvements? - or did somebody tell you this?

...1 year of warranty already is a very good sign and perhaps he will have the total breakthrough if he gives people the money back if they are not satisfied or if the Crypton Mini shouldn't work whyever in a certain country.

Mineoro also publishes a 1 year warranty for their long range locators.
I would not even consider buying a long range locator from Mineoro.
The Mineoro 1 year warranty is not a good sign to me. It is a joke for Mineoro fradsters to take my money.
I would trust the overwhelming body of evidence that I can find in this forum which tells us the Mineoro is not a good way to spend my money.
In the case of the Crypton Mini, there is no body of evidence I have found anywhere to show that it is really working long range or not.
All I see is an announcement and pictures, but not a single report of performance from users.

.. @ J_Player, would you buy one if you'll get money-back warranty?
I guess so.

No, I would not buy a Crypton Mini if I get a money-back warantee.
You can read above where I already explained....
"I would not buy the Crypton Mini or any other equipment until first I try with my own hands to become certain that it is working to satisfy me".
The only exception is maybe if the price is only 10 Euros I would buy without making a test first, but not for 560.
The only way I would be able to see a Crypton Mini work is if I travel from the USA to where the closest Crypton Mini is located and make arrangements to try it in my own hands.
From what I have read, this means I would need to travel to Athens to make a test for a locator which has no owner test reports available.
I do not think I will do this.
I prefer to leave my money in the bank until I see some compelling reason why I should consider testing a Crypton Mini.

I have observed that Andreas is capable of better electronic designs than the crap circuitry we usually see in this forum.
And I also have seen evidence that Andreas does not make false BS forum posts, and he is trustworthy.
However, the good character of Andreas does not predict how electronic machines will perform in various soil terrains, nor does it provide test data that is not seen by readers of the forum.
I prefer relying on facts and evidence to determine what I consider to be suitable to spend my money on.
Already I have saved more than 150,000 € by simply reading user reports in this forum, which prevented me from spending money on metal detecting equipment that does not work.


Best Wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Already I have saved more than 150,000 € by simply reading user reports in this forum, which prevented me from spending money on metal detecting equipment that does not work.

Good one.

I saved only $78,650 the same way, but I am very satisfied with such easy to loan hoard.

[Funfinder]

Hi j_p

> What makes you think probably over 100 units have been sold?

This was just estimated because why Andreas should buy expensive production equipment and creates the possibility to built that amount of units each month if he only sells ca. 5 units per month?

But you are right - if we don't have (m)any test reports so far
(perhaps because its Winter time in Europe and Greece where
Crypton is more known than in Australia if he sells them there)
we have to wait until more people bought this Mini or we have
to test it by our own. J_P would you trust Morgan if he test it
that it works at least where he lives if his test was a success?


> We know he is convinced by many tests and technical improvements that his Crypton works

Of course he's conviced otherwise why should he built up his
whole life around this project?

This knowledge of course is by suming up the OBMD evidence info and by
other indications. So far there is no clue that Andreas is not a trustworthy person.
But his information always was very credible.

Of course in principle I'm also for hard fact proofs instead of just
evidence even if those are large that's why I wanna discover the
exact electronical principle that leads to LRL detection at all.
This also is needed to understand the reason why such detector
may not work under certain circumstances.


> Mineoro also publishes a 1 year warranty for their long range locators.

There's a difference 1 year warranty and money back if not working or unsatisfied.
OK, so far Andreas doesn't have this but it would be
no problem because if his Mini-LRL really works he can resell the
returned units after refurbishing or function quality check.



> No, I would not buy a Crypton Mini if I get a money-back warantee.

OK, you may lose some postage and bank-transfer money but
what's the big problem if you could test the Crypton Mini where you
living and if it doesn't work or doesn't work good enough for ya
send it back? Whats the big deal? Personally I would be very happy
if a company offers such service because it shows that it really cares
about the needs of the customers.
btw. for LRLs this is a MUST! Because the whole LRL reseller-scene
is infested by 95% of evil betrayers that are dealing with illusional
dream-products (or better: nightmare-products!)


> I would need to travel to Athens to make a test for a locator which has no owner test reports available.

This is a bad idea cause what are u doing if your bought Crypton Mini works somewhere at some coincidentally chosen place outside Athens but not in California? Free delivery from Greece to USA and back including full Money back warranty would be the only reliable
test possibility for you as long as there is no Crypton Reseller in L.A.
or near you.


> Already I have saved more than 150,000 € by simply reading user reports in this forum,

Yeah, this argument is unbeatable!
Saving that much money gives one a feeling like being millionaire.

But honestly spoken, the info about the Jeohunter before I have tested
this "huge" detector since 2010 through and through not really was promising
and reality mirroring in this forum, too.
Here you only can expect the input of people and their actual state
of knowledge or experience and this is not always the absolute
professional and perfect wisdom or point of view they have.

Compared to the hundred of thousanda of metal-detector users
worldwide the input here in this forum is just a small piece of the cake!
And not a small part consists of hearsay, rumors, testresults or
wrong understanding.

Another question is:
Is a detector that has 10m max. distance already LRL?
Because I can search a 10 x 10m field within a few minutes
with the Jeohunter so perhaps the next version of the
Crypton Mini at least should have a distance of 30 meters for
large objects.

But on the other hand this short 10m distance makes the LRL
more reliable because it doesn't interfere that strong with
disturbing energy-fields, electro-smog, humidity or whatever.


> All I see is an announcement and pictures, but not a single report of performance from users.

I really hope this will change very soon. Perhaps some of us should
contact Andreas and ask him how the business and success goes on.

I'm very confident that in a few months after spring started we
will get the needed evidence and user test results.

greetings