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  • #16
    very nice detector
    is your detector for sell? do you want to sell it or just it is for yourself ?
    thanks

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    • #17
      the LRL´s rebellion

      Originally posted by J_Player View Post
      Well well,
      Rebellion? What rebellion?
      Everyone knows that neither Geo or you will be showing complete details to make construction of your LRLs.
      Nobody is making a rebellion about this fact.
      The stream of people who believe you will show them how to make a copy, and then learn you will not show show them has long been established.
      I am simply congratulating michael and Nelson for discovering this fact. Do you believe I have the wrong idea?

      This never was a rebellion, yet you try to make it seem as if it is a rebellion?
      For what reason?
      Does it make damage to your sales of PDK if I congratulate michael and Nelson for finding the truth?

      Everyone here knows you are selling various versions of your PDK LRL.
      You must tell the truth, Morgan!
      The truth is you continue to promote your PDK and take orders even while you say you are not promoting your PDK.

      Here are your words from various posts you made in this forum:



      And look at the PDK promotion you make in your reply to this post..!
      Look at the top blue box where I quote the words you just typed into the forum....
      You are advertising the performance of your PDK and the price...
      People can see your advertisement here and send in their order.
      Who are you trying to fool?

      We already know you are a manufacturer of LRLS.
      We know you are promoting your PDK in this forum.
      Look at the post below this... you can see daryo is already responding to your advertisement!
      You must send him a PM to tell him you are very busy, but you will sell him a PDK as soon as you have time to build it.

      Your method of advertising is the same method which Dell winders uses to advertise his Omnitorn products.
      Dell has a long history of hijacking threads to change the topic to his products.
      It is exactly as you did to hijack the new Crypton Mini topic to change the focus to the PDK....
      See here:
      Discussions on LRLs of the electronic variety which also utilize L-rods or other swiveling methods.

      Discussions on LRLs of the electronic variety which also utilize L-rods or other swiveling methods.


      Dell Winders makes most of his Omnitron products by hand and sells them using the same method as you do.
      Dell advertises by looking for a competitor product shown in the forum, then he puts a new post to tell how his products are really really working, maybe better than the competitor product, same as you do.
      Maybe you learned this technique of advertising from reading posts that were made by Dell Winders?

      You want me to believe there is a rebellion starting, and that you are not advertising to sell your LRLs?
      Ok, I will pretend to believe you.
      Just as I will pretend to believe that you are really trying to show other readers how they can make a copy of the wonderful PDK that you show photos of.

      But just because I pretend to believe you are only interested to show other treasure hunters how to build a really, really working LRL does not mean it is the truth.
      Other readers can decide for themselves what is the truth, just as michael and Nelson did.
      Again... congratulations to michael and Nelson for discovering the truth about the longrangelocators forum


      Best wishes,
      J_P
      Yes,it start the rebellion

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      • #18
        Originally posted by J_Player View Post
        Well well,
        Rebellion? What rebellion?
        Everyone knows that neither Geo or you will be showing complete details to make construction of your LRLs.
        Nobody is making a rebellion about this fact.
        The stream of people who believe you will show them how to make a copy, and then learn you will not show show them has long been established.
        I am simply congratulating michael and Nelson for discovering this fact. Do you believe I have the wrong idea?

        This never was a rebellion, yet you try to make it seem as if it is a rebellion?
        For what reason?
        Does it make damage to your sales of PDK if I congratulate michael and Nelson for finding the truth?

        Everyone here knows you are selling various versions of your PDK LRL.
        You must tell the truth, Morgan!
        The truth is you continue to promote your PDK and take orders even while you say you are not promoting your PDK.

        Here are your words from various posts you made in this forum:



        And look at the PDK promotion you make in your reply to this post..!
        Look at the top blue box where I quote the words you just typed into the forum....
        You are advertising the performance of your PDK and the price...
        People can see your advertisement here and send in their order.
        Who are you trying to fool?

        We already know you are a manufacturer of LRLS.
        We know you are promoting your PDK in this forum.
        Look at the post below this... you can see daryo is already responding to your advertisement!
        You must send him a PM to tell him you are very busy, but you will sell him a PDK as soon as you have time to build it.

        Your method of advertising is the same method which Dell winders uses to advertise his Omnitorn products.
        Dell has a long history of hijacking threads to change the topic to his products.
        It is exactly as you did to hijack the new Crypton Mini topic to change the focus to the PDK....
        See here:
        Discussions on LRLs of the electronic variety which also utilize L-rods or other swiveling methods.

        Discussions on LRLs of the electronic variety which also utilize L-rods or other swiveling methods.


        Dell Winders makes most of his Omnitron products by hand and sells them using the same method as you do.
        Dell advertises by looking for a competitor product shown in the forum, then he puts a new post to tell how his products are really really working, maybe better than the competitor product, same as you do.
        Maybe you learned this technique of advertising from reading posts that were made by Dell Winders?

        You want me to believe there is a rebellion starting, and that you are not advertising to sell your LRLs?
        Ok, I will pretend to believe you.
        Just as I will pretend to believe that you are really trying to show other readers how they can make a copy of the wonderful PDK that you show photos of.

        But just because I pretend to believe you are only interested to show other treasure hunters how to build a really, really working LRL does not mean it is the truth.
        Other readers can decide for themselves what is the truth, just as michael and Nelson did.
        Again... congratulations to michael and Nelson for discovering the truth about the longrangelocators forum


        Best wishes,
        J_P
        Understand that even if i post here the complete schematic of PDK-2, nobody can put it to work 100%, unless if travel to my field test to make the coils tuned near a real long time ago buried gold or silver object.
        The process of tuning coils and adjust value of capacitor to locate the electromagnetic field around the buried object,IS EXTREMLY DIFICULT,not for everybody,need skill and patient.
        Sure i will not put the schematic here.

        10 PDK´s was sold, and oly three of the owners complain that PDK not locate gold yet,however i said them to send me back the PDK´s if not happy,they refuse,what you think about that ?

        For your happiness i decide today finish PDK´s construction,are you happy ? not want to use the forum to promote LRL,the few people that are waithing this devices can forget it.
        Now i will spend the free time in searching for treasures,of course,with PDK and a good metal detector,i have the best for TH...

        Regards

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Morgan View Post
          Yes,it start the rebellion


          Understand that even if i post here the complete schematic of PDK-2, nobody can put it to work 100%, unless if travel to my field test to make the coils tuned near a real long time ago buried gold or silver object.
          The process of tuning coils and adjust value of capacitor to locate the electromagnetic field around the buried object,IS EXTREMLY DIFICULT,not for everybody,need skill and patient.
          Sure i will not put the schematic here.

          10 PDK´s was sold, and oly three of the owners complain that PDK not locate gold yet,however i said them to send me back the PDK´s if not happy,they refuse,what you think about that ?

          For your happiness i decide today finish PDK´s construction,are you happy ? not want to use the forum to promote LRL,the few people that are waithing this devices can forget it.
          Now i will spend the free time in searching for treasures,of course,with PDK and a good metal detector,i have the best for TH...

          Regards
          What? A rebellion?
          You are telling all the readers of this forum that if they learn the truth, then you will start a rebellion?
          Who is this rebellion?
          Is it Morgan and Geo against the world?
          I don't believe it!

          I think the people who read this forum are smart enough to understand what is truth, and what is advertising to sell LRLs.
          But why must you start a rebellion?

          You see all the people who beg for you to sell them your PDK.
          And now you tell them you will not sell them your PDK because you want a rebellion?
          Why?

          This is difficult to understand.
          Is it because michael and Nelson and saw the truth?
          Sure, we know you are selling your LRLs, but what is wrong with selling LRLs?
          There is no rule which says you cannot use this forum to advertise your LRLs and sell them here.
          I think it is a good idea to sell your PDK in this forum.
          If enough people buy the PDK, then we can see people post the results that they find with the PDK.
          We all want to see treasures that were found with the PDK, because the PDK is the most highly advertised LRL in the forum at this time.
          It is good for the forum to see more reports of recoveries made with the PDK.
          Why must you make a rebellion to stop selling PDKs?

          You must understand...
          I do not have any problem to see many photos of your PDK and your advertising for the PDK in this forum.
          The only problem I explained is that you are not honest, to say you are not advertising your PDK.
          It is fine with me if you advertise your PDK, but you should not pretend you are not advertising your PDK and selling it here.
          There is no shame to advertise your LRLs for sale here. Dell winders has been advertising his Omnitrons here for many years.
          You certainly are permitted to use the same forum as Dell Winders uses to advertise your PDKs.
          Selling PDKs here is good for the forum, to help remain the biggest LRL forum in the world.
          I am sure your customers will forgive you if you do not post your schematics here... same as they forgave Esteban.

          You say only 3 of 10 PDK customers complained about poor detection?
          I think this is not a problem for us.
          We all know that Carl's test requires only 70% detection... So your PDK has passed the 70% rule and is proven to be good.

          Originally posted by Morgan
          For your happiness i decide today finish PDK´s construction,are you happy ? not want to use the forum to promote LRL,the few people that are waithing this devices can forget it.
          Now i will spend the free time in searching for treasures,of course,with PDK and a good metal detector,i have the best for TH...
          Morgan, my friend,
          You make a mistake.
          I am not happy to see you abandon your customers. I prefer that you spend your time manufacturing LRLs for them.
          Treasure hunting is a fun hobby.
          But there is a business ethic to be loyal to your customers, which is more important than to ignore your customers so you can use your time to indulge in your favorite hobbies.
          If you want to make me happy, then you will spend your time manufacturing your PDKs, and give good service to your customers.
          Best of luck with your LRL business.

          Best wishes,
          J_P

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          • #20
            You are 100% correct Qiaozhi
            The book explains everithing you need to buils, experiment and test a pdk. Even you can get correct information to upgrade you basic pdk build by some members and also my self.

            Regards

            Nelson


            Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
            Aha!
            Maybe that's where I went wrong with the TOTeM PDK in Chapter 14 of "Inside the METAL DETECTOR". I should have made a number of intentional mistakes in the design, missed out some vital pieces of information, and only hinted at the correct method of coil balancing.
            Because everything is fully explained in the text, and it was designed by a skeptic, it cannot possibly be any good.

            The whole point of TOTeM is to act as an experimental platform, if you want to investigate the exceptionally "gray" area of LRL pistols. There are no guarantees that you will find any treasure, but there again you won't have to spend mega-bucks on an LRL that will give the same result. Even if you're a skeptic (like me) it's an interesting project to build and test. You can see first-hand why so many people are convinced by this "technology".

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            • #21
              Sorry Morgan, but i think J_Player is correct.
              My english is not 100% correct, but i just want you to know that i agree with J_Player comments.
              You know what, i m tired to read post about pdk with no sense at the end, no full schematics, just sales and more sales.
              I don´t like to get a schematic telling you that this is the correct circuit for a working machine. Then you go and buy electronics components, build or design a pcb, mount components, test the circuit and finally you see a non working machine. Then you ask for help and here the problem starts when you just recibe smoke curtains to confuse you and also to obligate you again to buy more components, because the bad calls gurus, are telling you that your must go and replace or mod your circuit. THen again you go for more components to do this gurus mods, and then the same, pdk does not work. Again, you the stupid or ignorant that did not assemble pdk in the correct way, so again you must correct the supose errors you made. For example, when you send me pdk schematics you said, here is pdk schematic, but this is secret and don´t tell anyone that i send you this.
              Today i m still waiting for that working pdk schematic, and i thank Good i did not buy pdk from you, because we know that information will be realise here very soon or someone will post working pdk circuit.
              About crypton mini, this is diferent, cause Andreas have made his work on secret and results of his work are posted on his web site. Andreas never send non sence information, and if he is now selling a new machine, that fine because he is working by his own and not with the help of longrangelocators.com members.
              I hope not to hear again and again the same words, i hope to hear some real information for hobbist interest about a pd or pdk build.

              Regards

              Nelson


              Originally posted by J_Player View Post
              Well well,
              Rebellion? What rebellion?
              Everyone knows that neither Geo or you will be showing complete details to make construction of your LRLs.
              Nobody is making a rebellion about this fact.
              The stream of people who believe you will show them how to make a copy, and then learn you will not show show them has long been established.
              I am simply congratulating michael and Nelson for discovering this fact. Do you believe I have the wrong idea?

              This never was a rebellion, yet you try to make it seem as if it is a rebellion?
              For what reason?
              Does it make damage to your sales of PDK if I congratulate michael and Nelson for finding the truth?

              Everyone here knows you are selling various versions of your PDK LRL.
              You must tell the truth, Morgan!
              The truth is you continue to promote your PDK and take orders even while you say you are not promoting your PDK.

              Here are your words from various posts you made in this forum:



              And look at the PDK promotion you make in your reply to this post..!
              Look at the top blue box where I quote the words you just typed into the forum....
              You are advertising the performance of your PDK and the price...
              People can see your advertisement here and send in their order.
              Who are you trying to fool?

              We already know you are a manufacturer of LRLS.
              We know you are promoting your PDK in this forum.
              Look at the post below this... you can see daryo is already responding to your advertisement!
              You must send him a PM to tell him you are very busy, but you will sell him a PDK as soon as you have time to build it.

              Your method of advertising is the same method which Dell winders uses to advertise his Omnitorn products.
              Dell has a long history of hijacking threads to change the topic to his products.
              It is exactly as you did to hijack the new Crypton Mini topic to change the focus to the PDK....
              See here:
              Discussions on LRLs of the electronic variety which also utilize L-rods or other swiveling methods.

              Discussions on LRLs of the electronic variety which also utilize L-rods or other swiveling methods.


              Dell Winders makes most of his Omnitron products by hand and sells them using the same method as you do.
              Dell advertises by looking for a competitor product shown in the forum, then he puts a new post to tell how his products are really really working, maybe better than the competitor product, same as you do.
              Maybe you learned this technique of advertising from reading posts that were made by Dell Winders?

              You want me to believe there is a rebellion starting, and that you are not advertising to sell your LRLs?
              Ok, I will pretend to believe you.
              Just as I will pretend to believe that you are really trying to show other readers how they can make a copy of the wonderful PDK that you show photos of.

              But just because I pretend to believe you are only interested to show other treasure hunters how to build a really, really working LRL does not mean it is the truth.
              Other readers can decide for themselves what is the truth, just as michael and Nelson did.
              Again... congratulations to michael and Nelson for discovering the truth about the longrangelocators forum


              Best wishes,
              J_P

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              • #22
                Hi All
                I'm an experimenter with a good knowledge and practice in electronics, helped me a lot tips and considerations of Esteban and the experiences of Geo and Morgan, but the essential point was the fact that they testified that the phenomenon is real and this spurred me to continue in my research. I can understand that they don't want to disclose their diagrams but in the RS forum I have given some suggestions and a schemas of my working lrl and I have helped Nelson in its realization. I think that the purpose of this forum it's to share our experiences not the full project with schemas and printed board.

                Best Regards

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by nelson View Post
                  Sorry Morgan, but i think J_Player is correct.
                  My english is not 100% correct, but i just want you to know that i agree with J_Player comments.
                  You know what, i m tired to read post about pdk with no sense at the end, no full schematics, just sales and more sales.
                  I don´t like to get a schematic telling you that this is the correct circuit for a working machine. Then you go and buy electronics components, build or design a pcb, mount components, test the circuit and finally you see a non working machine. Then you ask for help and here the problem starts when you just recibe smoke curtains to confuse you and also to obligate you again to buy more components, because the bad calls gurus, are telling you that your must go and replace or mod your circuit. THen again you go for more components to do this gurus mods, and then the same, pdk does not work. Again, you the stupid or ignorant that did not assemble pdk in the correct way, so again you must correct the supose errors you made. For example, when you send me pdk schematics you said, here is pdk schematic, but this is secret and don´t tell anyone that i send you this.
                  Today i m still waiting for that working pdk schematic, and i thank Good i did not buy pdk from you, because we know that information will be realise here very soon or someone will post working pdk circuit.
                  About crypton mini, this is diferent, cause Andreas have made his work on secret and results of his work are posted on his web site. Andreas never send non sence information, and if he is now selling a new machine, that fine because he is working by his own and not with the help of longrangelocators.com members.
                  I hope not to hear again and again the same words, i hope to hear some real information for hobbist interest about a pd or pdk build.

                  Regards

                  Nelson
                  Hello Nelson

                  If is your desire i can put here one email you sent me. In this letter you telling me that pick clear signals (with your handmade PDK-1) in one parivate propriety,during your vacations. In the letter you explain that is a problem for you if digging in this place...
                  Well,i allways thought that you built correctly your LRL. Now whart you telling me is diferent thig,are you a lier ,or just playing with me ?

                  Best regards

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                  • #24
                    Hi FrancoItaly

                    Yes you are right, but what i don t like is that everytime you need assistance, finally you get uncomplete information that at the end just confuse you.
                    I m not an engenier in electronics, i just have very small knolegmens in electronics, so thing are more complicated for me when one day you get one way to do things and the next day you know that what you have done and invest on a project was wrong. This is different has is on geotech1.com, cause there you start a project and then you do some mods that correct your equipment to get better performance. But here when you build pdk for example and some guru members said that your RX coil is a round coil with xx numbers of turns and xx capacitor value and then you found that the smoke curtain covers your eyes because your RX round coil is the TX coil and this coil works with an oscillator and also that your real RX coil is a ferrite antenna, is not transparent advice has you wish.
                    Another example, i posted a few questions about coils and capacitors value to make a resonant L/C frequency for my pdk. This was calculated at a xx values and then when i asked here if my calculations are correct, then again i receive another smoke curtain telling me that my calculations were wrong. Fortunately today with the help of some good people which includes your self, things are more clear and this also show me who are the real gurus in this topic.
                    GURUS? Not really, i think no one can claim to be a GURU, cause if they got a working pdk, is because they got success thanks to they have access to do reverse engineering on detectors like Mineoro and other brands, devices that are for me to expensive to get on my hands.
                    Andreas have release Crypton Mini, that worked in silence and now he is posting that is ready for sale at a very good price. He did not comment his project here, he just builded and tested his devices, and never posted about his project because at the first time he knows it was for sale and not to be share. So again, if pdk1, 2 and 3 is posted here, we understand that is for sharing information.
                    Honestly if Morgan will have posted something like, "hi members, i m working on a new project named pdk and if i get success with it, i will not release or share any information about schematics, because when i get it ready, this will be a project just for sale". Take for sure that i will not lost my time and happiness bealiving that working together with some members i will get a working pdk has it is on geotech1.com projects.

                    Finally i just want to thanks to you and good friends who are helping me to develop a pdk and lrl that is still under test and some mods to get it working soon i hope. Also thanks to good information posted on "Inside metal detectors book", that it has very clear information about LRL, PD and PDK and also full schematics of a working TOTem that in a few steps show you get a clear picture on how to build and work this device. Sooner i will draw a pcb for TOTem and i will posted here with authorization of Qiazori.

                    I hope anyone understand my opinions and just let know that i don t want to fight with anyone, cause i just want to build and test this tech for my own personal use.

                    Regards

                    Nelson

                    Originally posted by FrancoItaly View Post
                    Hi All
                    I'm an experimenter with a good knowledge and practice in electronics, helped me a lot tips and considerations of Esteban and the experiences of Geo and Morgan, but the essential point was the fact that they testified that the phenomenon is real and this spurred me to continue in my research. I can understand that they don't want to disclose their diagrams but in the RS forum I have given some suggestions and a schemas of my working lrl and I have helped Nelson in its realization. I think that the purpose of this forum it's to share our experiences not the full project with schemas and printed board.

                    Best Regards

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by nelson View Post
                      Hi FrancoItaly

                      Yes you are right, but what i don t like is that everytime you need assistance, finally you get uncomplete information that at the end just confuse you.
                      I m not an engenier in electronics, i just have very small knolegmens in electronics, so thing are more complicated for me when one day you get one way to do things and the next day you know that what you have done and invest on a project was wrong. This is different has is on geotech1.com, cause there you start a project and then you do some mods that correct your equipment to get better performance. But here when you build pdk for example and some guru members said that your RX coil is a round coil with xx numbers of turns and xx capacitor value and then you found that the smoke curtain covers your eyes because your RX round coil is the TX coil and this coil works with an oscillator and also that your real RX coil is a ferrite antenna, is not transparent advice has you wish.
                      Another example, i posted a few questions about coils and capacitors value to make a resonant L/C frequency for my pdk. This was calculated at a xx values and then when i asked here if my calculations are correct, then again i receive another smoke curtain telling me that my calculations were wrong. Fortunately today with the help of some good people which includes your self, things are more clear and this also show me who are the real gurus in this topic.
                      GURUS? Not really, i think no one can claim to be a GURU, cause if they got a working pdk, is because they got success thanks to they have access to do reverse engineering on detectors like Mineoro and other brands, devices that are for me to expensive to get on my hands.
                      Andreas have release Crypton Mini, that worked in silence and now he is posting that is ready for sale at a very good price. He did not comment his project here, he just builded and tested his devices, and never posted about his project because at the first time he knows it was for sale and not to be share. So again, if pdk1, 2 and 3 is posted here, we understand that is for sharing information.
                      Honestly if Morgan will have posted something like, "hi members, i m working on a new project named pdk and if i get success with it, i will not release or share any information about schematics, because when i get it ready, this will be a project just for sale". Take for sure that i will not lost my time and happiness bealiving that working together with some members i will get a working pdk has it is on geotech1.com projects.

                      Finally i just want to thanks to you and good friends who are helping me to develop a pdk and lrl that is still under test and some mods to get it working soon i hope. Also thanks to good information posted on "Inside metal detectors book", that it has very clear information about LRL, PD and PDK and also full schematics of a working TOTem that in a few steps show you get a clear picture on how to build and work this device. Sooner i will draw a pcb for TOTem and i will posted here with authorization of Qiazori.

                      I hope anyone understand my opinions and just let know that i don t want to fight with anyone, cause i just want to build and test this tech for my own personal use.

                      Regards

                      Nelson
                      Originally posted by FrancoItaly
                      Hi All
                      I'm an experimenter with a good knowledge and practice in electronics, helped me a lot tips and considerations of Esteban and the experiences of Geo and Morgan, but the essential point was the fact that they testified that the phenomenon is real and this spurred me to continue in my research. I can understand that they don't want to disclose their diagrams but in the RS forum I have given some suggestions and a schemas of my working lrl and I have helped Nelson in its realization. I think that the purpose of this forum it's to share our experiences not the full project with schemas and printed board.

                      Best Regards
                      Hi Nelson,
                      I believe you have the correct idea.
                      There was a time when people made posts in this forum to show complete schematics, with no hidden parts, and no secrets.
                      You can see a good example in the Ivconic negative charge detector here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...ad.php?t=11392

                      In this topic, you will see the full circuit for Ivconic's charge detector, with many tips, and modifications to get very sensitive detection.
                      You will see many forum members making comments to improve the electronics. And you will see the final circuit is a rather sophisticated differential amplifier design.

                      As you read through the thread, you will find four additional full schematics of simpler charge detectors posted.
                      This is one place where you will find most of the best designs for electric charge detectors all in one place.
                      Any hobbyists can read, and find all details and tips to build these charge detectors.

                      But most important, Carl-NC is the owner of this forum --- Here is what Carl-NC said when he saw the posts in the Ivconic negative charge detector thread:
                      Originally posted by Carl-NC
                      ... this is a very interesting thread, and exactly what this forum is intended for. Thanks for all the contributions.
                      Discussions on LRLs of the electronic variety which also utilize L-rods or other swiveling methods.


                      You can see that Carl-NC also agrees with your idea.
                      Carl intended for hobbyists to learn how to experiment with long range locating together in this forum.
                      He did not intend that this is a place to show photos of secret LRLs which nobody else can have, or posting misleading information, or missing parts which make the design impossible.
                      But we see most of the posts in this longrangelocator forum are now showing photos of secret circuits LRLs which you will not be shown how to build.
                      The exceptions where we see complete circuits and projects come from a few skeptics who post complete circuits for other people to build, and from a few LRL hobbyists who truly are interested in sharing their experiments with other hobbyists.
                      While Carl did not intend this forum to be used as a place to show photos of secret detectors with false data, and hidden smoke screens, he did not make any rules to stop them.
                      So it is okay with the forum rules for people to come here to brag about locators which you cannot have to make experiments with.
                      And it has always been okay for manufacturers to advertise their products here, as long as they make their advertisements in the form of posts which tell detection information before people to send in their orders.

                      Already you have discovered there are some forum members who send you some real help, not smoke screens and missing data.
                      Maybe you will see these same people are the ones who you read making posts and giving tips in the Ivconic negative ion detector post from my link above.
                      And you have seen some of your best help came from the book that was written by the biggest skeptics of the entire forum... Carl-NC and Qiaozhi.

                      Of course, there is no need for any fight. Manufacturers are welcome here.
                      You have learned that you will not be getting complete details for experimenting from Morgan or Geo or hung, and probably some others who did not post in this thread.
                      But this is not a reason for a rebellion or a fight.
                      This forum was intended for hobbyists to work together to share their ideas and find success with their experiments.
                      The truth is known, so you are now free to look in the directions which you feel are most productive.
                      You already are learning which forum members are interested in this same idea that you have.

                      I see FrancoItaly also understands the truth of this forum.
                      We know FrancoItaly is one of the better engineers in this forum, with a good understanding of electronics and very competent in his design work.
                      I congratulate FrancoItaly, michael, and Nelson for discovering the truth of how this forum works.
                      It seems you all paid the price of wasted hours building impossible circuits, but with your persistence, I am sure there is no obstacle you cannot overcome.
                      Hopefully others can read, and understand to save themselves the trouble you went to.


                      Best Wishes,
                      J_P

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by nelson View Post
                        Hi FrancoItaly

                        Yes you are right, but what i don t like is that everytime you need assistance, finally you get uncomplete information that at the end just confuse you.
                        I m not an engenier in electronics, i just have very small knolegmens in electronics, so thing are more complicated for me when one day you get one way to do things and the next day you know that what you have done and invest on a project was wrong. This is different has is on geotech1.com, cause there you start a project and then you do some mods that correct your equipment to get better performance. But here when you build pdk for example and some guru members said that your RX coil is a round coil with xx numbers of turns and xx capacitor value and then you found that the smoke curtain covers your eyes because your RX round coil is the TX coil and this coil works with an oscillator and also that your real RX coil is a ferrite antenna, is not transparent advice has you wish.
                        Another example, i posted a few questions about coils and capacitors value to make a resonant L/C frequency for my pdk. This was calculated at a xx values and then when i asked here if my calculations are correct, then again i receive another smoke curtain telling me that my calculations were wrong. Fortunately today with the help of some good people which includes your self, things are more clear and this also show me who are the real gurus in this topic.
                        GURUS? Not really, i think no one can claim to be a GURU, cause if they got a working pdk, is because they got success thanks to they have access to do reverse engineering on detectors like Mineoro and other brands, devices that are for me to expensive to get on my hands.
                        Andreas have release Crypton Mini, that worked in silence and now he is posting that is ready for sale at a very good price. He did not comment his project here, he just builded and tested his devices, and never posted about his project because at the first time he knows it was for sale and not to be share. So again, if pdk1, 2 and 3 is posted here, we understand that is for sharing information.
                        Honestly if Morgan will have posted something like, "hi members, i m working on a new project named pdk and if i get success with it, i will not release or share any information about schematics, because when i get it ready, this will be a project just for sale". Take for sure that i will not lost my time and happiness bealiving that working together with some members i will get a working pdk has it is on geotech1.com projects.

                        Finally i just want to thanks to you and good friends who are helping me to develop a pdk and lrl that is still under test and some mods to get it working soon i hope. Also thanks to good information posted on "Inside metal detectors book", that it has very clear information about LRL, PD and PDK and also full schematics of a working TOTem that in a few steps show you get a clear picture on how to build and work this device. Sooner i will draw a pcb for TOTem and i will posted here with authorization of Qiazori.

                        I hope anyone understand my opinions and just let know that i don t want to fight with anyone, cause i just want to build and test this tech for my own personal use.

                        Regards

                        Nelson
                        Dear Nelson

                        I start here as a forum member with the name Morgan,the name of a famous pirate,becouse i´m not a saint,but i realy put here valuable information,remember the Alonsos PD,it take me one week to dismantle and make drawings of this schematic to share with forum,becouse i know PD is working as LRL,I never sold one clone PD becouse is not my project,but the PDK is another story,and what is PDK-2 ??? is the PDK-1 (same as you build) with simple but great modification that make it 7X more power than the PDK-1,this way power is enough to pick the small size targets.
                        As i remember i post here the complet schematic for PDK-1,and said that there is a simple modification that UPGRADE the circuit 7X more.
                        Once someone open (destroy) one PDK-2 and see the inner ,will find how simple is this modification,childrens work...however,to make the PDK-2 clone , the person need to know how to calibrate it in the way to make it detect the PHENOMENON,this is dificult task.


                        Regards

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                        • #27
                          Dear friend J_Player

                          In very short response to your post about my comments, i just feel well interpreted and thanks for helping me to express what my feelings and thiks are about how some members works on the forum.
                          No no no, of course i will not fight with any member, is just that i believe is correct to express my opinions about what you can find here to stop uncomplete projects. May be the basic pdk is correct, but we all know some basic information was never release, for example when i was working and posting lots of questions about RX coils made of some turns on an 8 or 10 centimetres form, none tell me that RX coil mus be made of ferrite and that the coil in front of pdk ita was the TX coil.
                          Ok words appart, i thank you your comments and yes FrancoItaly looks to me like a good person, cuase he is sharing his expirencies about LRL project.

                          Best regards

                          Nelson



                          QUOTE=J_Player;143998]Hi Nelson,
                          I believe you have the correct idea.
                          There was a time when people made posts in this forum to show complete schematics, with no hidden parts, and no secrets.
                          You can see a good example in the Ivconic negative charge detector here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...ad.php?t=11392

                          In this topic, you will see the full circuit for Ivconic's charge detector, with many tips, and modifications to get very sensitive detection.
                          You will see many forum members making comments to improve the electronics. And you will see the final circuit is a rather sophisticated differential amplifier design.

                          As you read through the thread, you will find four additional full schematics of simpler charge detectors posted.
                          This is one place where you will find most of the best designs for electric charge detectors all in one place.
                          Any hobbyists can read, and find all details and tips to build these charge detectors.

                          But most important, Carl-NC is the owner of this forum --- Here is what Carl-NC said when he saw the posts in the Ivconic negative charge detector thread:

                          Discussions on LRLs of the electronic variety which also utilize L-rods or other swiveling methods.


                          You can see that Carl-NC also agrees with your idea.
                          Carl intended for hobbyists to learn how to experiment with long range locating together in this forum.
                          He did not intend that this is a place to show photos of secret LRLs which nobody else can have, or posting misleading information, or missing parts which make the design impossible.
                          But we see most of the posts in this longrangelocator forum are now showing photos of secret circuits LRLs which you will not be shown how to build.
                          The exceptions where we see complete circuits and projects come from a few skeptics who post complete circuits for other people to build, and from a few LRL hobbyists who truly are interested in sharing their experiments with other hobbyists.
                          While Carl did not intend this forum to be used as a place to show photos of secret detectors with false data, and hidden smoke screens, he did not make any rules to stop them.
                          So it is okay with the forum rules for people to come here to brag about locators which you cannot have to make experiments with.
                          And it has always been okay for manufacturers to advertise their products here, as long as they make their advertisements in the form of posts which tell detection information before people to send in their orders.

                          Already you have discovered there are some forum members who send you some real help, not smoke screens and missing data.
                          Maybe you will see these same people are the ones who you read making posts and giving tips in the Ivconic negative ion detector post from my link above.
                          And you have seen some of your best help came from the book that was written by the biggest skeptics of the entire forum... Carl-NC and Qiaozhi.

                          Of course, there is no need for any fight. Manufacturers are welcome here.
                          You have learned that you will not be getting complete details for experimenting from Morgan or Geo or hung, and probably some others who did not post in this thread.
                          But this is not a reason for a rebellion or a fight.
                          This forum was intended for hobbyists to work together to share their ideas and find success with their experiments.
                          The truth is known, so you are now free to look in the directions which you feel are most productive.
                          You already are learning which forum members are interested in this same idea that you have.

                          I see FrancoItaly also understands the truth of this forum.
                          We know FrancoItaly is one of the better engineers in this forum, with a good understanding of electronics and very competent in his design work.
                          I congratulate FrancoItaly, michael, and Nelson for discovering the truth of how this forum works.
                          It seems you all paid the price of wasted hours building impossible circuits, but with your persistence, I am sure there is no obstacle you cannot overcome.
                          Hopefully others can read, and understand to save themselves the trouble you went to.


                          Best Wishes,
                          J_P[/QUOTE]

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                          • #28
                            Morgan
                            I m not the kind of person who plays with people, this is not my way of life.
                            I not also a lier, and if my english was wrong is just that.
                            Yes is thru i got some signals with pdk but latter i found it was just a spark from a bad insulation on an electric post, so this made pdk sound. You know that pdk must be tune to some very critical frequency spectrum, so if you don t have a test bed or correct equipment to get tune on that frequency, it will be almost impossible to get a real signal from buried metals. Sparks can be almost detected with any sparks on a wideband spectrum, so again if you don t have the correct frequency and how to tune it, pdk is a no sense circuit.
                            You know that i asked you about how to tune pdk, then you send me some information that was incorrect and this happened many times until today.
                            Finally take a read to J_PLayer post a few hours ago. He interpreted me very well and that is all what i m talking about, nothing more. So my lesson was finally learned and this is that i must keep experimenting and follow orientations and advices from members that today we know are trusted people when you need real help and no more smoke curtains that just confuse you more than help you.
                            If i m lucky with my project i will post for free full schematics and member references that help me to get success.

                            Regards

                            Nelson

                            Originally posted by Morgan View Post
                            Hello Nelson

                            If is your desire i can put here one email you sent me. In this letter you telling me that pick clear signals (with your handmade PDK-1) in one parivate propriety,during your vacations. In the letter you explain that is a problem for you if digging in this place...
                            Well,i allways thought that you built correctly your LRL. Now whart you telling me is diferent thig,are you a lier ,or just playing with me ?

                            Best regards

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Morgan View Post
                              Very interesting

                              Here some questions :

                              1-distance for a 1,5V spark

                              2-target distance

                              3-It can locate gold in front of OO coils ?

                              4-what is the working frequency ?


                              Regards
                              Hi Morgan.
                              Battery spark is about to 1.5m
                              Yes it can locate gold in front of OO coils. It detects better from front size than the rear size.
                              It receives signals at 2 frequences, one at 77,8 and other at 79.6 Khz.
                              Problem is that its very very difficult to calibrate it. With 3 coils it is not easy to make it to receive without a permanent oscillation. It oscillate at 30 Mhz and after a very fine tuning it stop to oscillate and receive signals.
                              This is the reason that i don't put the schematic here.

                              Regards
                              Geo

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by humhum View Post
                                Hi Geo , can you post more photos (front,left right side) or Video from your new very sensitive PDK.
                                Maybe it works with TX-RX (so like Normal MD) + Magnetic Field Receiver and Passive Ferrite Receiver with fine adjust.
                                Congratulation ...

                                Regards.
                                Hi Humhum
                                Now i have closed. When i"ll open it then no problem to take some photos yet.
                                It don't works like a normal PD.
                                The basic is a modificated Alonso's passive receiver plus one extra amplifier plus a magnetometer as you wrote right....

                                Regards
                                Geo

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