LRL working principle solved !

[Dedevil]

The Geotech forum has one of the best repositories for VLF coils of this nature I have seen online, and also has quite a bit of cutting edge VLF magnetic technology being developed which has not been found in the commercial market yet.

Yes because they are using navagational signals as part of the detection.
What would happen if you sold someone a detector and then the navigational signal was shut down? I think you would want to grap your sales commission and run!

rgds

[Dedevil]

LITTLE g

I'll have to disagree with that one Dell. If this is so then the majority of our streams would be running n-s or s-n. The magnetic effect is fairly constant, an overall effect of the overall direction of particles in the earth. The change you see when a compass goes slightly off track over water is static gravity. I find it best to think of the earth as a multiplate capacitor with the centre as the -ve plate. It all gets confusing when you switch from conventional current to electron flow so i stick to electron flow.
The water moves from hillside stream to ocean via gravity. So what is gravity? Simply it's mass/charge, the more the mass the more the charge, and so although a stream and the oceans are both water the oceans have a bigger charge and therefor the streams with a lesser charge are attracted to the ocean. And there is a type of charge flow happening which is what distorts a compass over a river.

Think of what is a compass? It's a solid piece of metal with it's charges arranged to point in one direction. When placed on the ground it shows the overall direction of all the other substances on earth and when bought near a stream will deflect due to the electrified charges of the stream.

Have you ever tried this one; When divining a river with Lrods, stop where the L rods cross over, then stick one of them into the ground and hold the other out. It will point in the direction that the water is taking ( it's path of least resistance ) to the ocean.

Amazing that the French revolution was started by arguements on this subject.

rgds

The effect is known as little g which is differnt to BIG G

[Qiaozhi]

There the same thing just depends on what it is relative to.
eg looking from out in space the atmosphere can have numbers assigned to the area.
Back on ground the referance point is inside the scalar field and therefor can have magnitude and direction which is relative to the observers reference point within the field.
rgds

Wrong!
Scalar measurements are the same for all observers.

[Dell Winders]

Along with with moving warer Iron, is another strong concentrator of the Earth's magnetic field. Dell

[J_Player]

The Earth's Magnetic field will collect (concentrate) around, and follow even slightly moving water. Dell

Does this mean we should look for our compasses to shift and follow the direction of this concentrated magnetic field when we walk near the edge of a stream?
Can we turn on a garden hose and watch the compass needle turn as we move the hose closer to the compass, and move the hose to point different directions above the compass?


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Dedevil]

Along with with moving warer Iron, is another strong concentrator of the Earth's magnetic field. Dell

The moving iron is moving under gravitational pull not the Earths magnetic field. Otherwise the streams would run n-s or s-n. It is still under the earths magnetic field and if in a stagnent pool may swing n-s but your instruments are giving you an incorrect reading making you conclude the magnetic field is being changed. Think about it Dell.
They call it a magnetic field abnormality but it is actually not. It is a gravity abnormality.
It is called this so it is not confused with a big G "gravity" scan which is taken vertically and shows heavy and light materials under the overall effect of the Big G field.

[Dedevil]

Does this mean we should look for our compasses to shift and follow the direction of this concentrated magnetic field when we walk near the edge of a stream?
Can we turn on a garden hose and watch the compass needle turn as we move the hose closer to the compass, and move the hose to point different directions above the compass?


Best Wishes,

J_P

YES Simple experiment! But you do not use your everyday compass. You use a ?? I quess I would call it a de tuned compass. To cancel the earths magnetic effect ( in a mechanical way ) take one compass and physically bond it to another compass in the opposite direction, with glue. Now suspend the two needles just as you would with a normal compass. But to see the dowsings effects at work you need to clip a tiny piece of one of the needles. So you still have a compass, just a very weak one. If you move this towards a stream you will see deflection of the needle towards the flow in a horizontal direction. But it wont work vertically! This a different system again.

[Dedevil]

Right!

Wrong!
Scalar measurements are the same for all observers.

Take for example being in outer space and looking at the atmosphere of the earth. Give it a scale of 1-10 and take a refernce point of 5. You can divide the atmosphere up into numbers from 1-10 take it to binary and give the numbers colors. As an observer from outerspace you see a colorfull picture. Now go to ground level and stand in a 1 zone and the observed colors are completly differnt. Two different observers and two differnt pictures.

It's simply relative!

[Qiaozhi]

Take for example being in outer space and looking at the atmosphere of the earth. Give it a scale of 1-10 and take a refernce point of 5. You can divide the atmosphere up into numbers from 1-10 take it to binary and give the numbers colors. As an observer from outerspace you see a colorfull picture. Now go to ground level and stand in a 1 zone and the observed colors are completly differnt. Two different observers and two differnt pictures.

It's simply relative!

Clearly you do not understand the difference between a scalar and a vector.

[Dedevil]

Clearly you do not understand the difference between a scalar and a vector.

Yes actually i do understand and think you have not one bit of understanding of the theory of relativiity.

TRY going back to school with JP. BABY!

[J_Player]

I explained after much frustration that an underground stream has a charge. The fields are "scalar" meaning they have magnitude and direction. Maybe now they will start to understand how the other secret LRL's are working.

Originally postd by Qiahozi
Clearly you do not understand the difference between a scalar and a vector.

Originally postd by Dedevil
Yes actually i do understand and think you have not one bit of understanding of the theory of relativiity.

TRY going back to school with JP. BABY!

What school should we go to where we can learn that a scalars have magnitude and direction?
All the schools I know of teach that scalars don't have magnitude and direction -- even high schools.
I can't find a school which teaches that scalars have magnitude and direction, but I know where to find hungscience and BS.

Are you spreading made-up hungscience BS, or is there a school we can go that teaches how scalars have magnitude and direction?


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Yes actually i do understand and think you have not one bit of understanding of the theory of relativiity.

TRY going back to school with JP. BABY!

As you appear to be having some difficulty understanding the concept of a scalar field, let me explain one last time.
A scalar field is a function that gives us a single value of some variable for every point in space. An example of a scalar is temperature.

On the other hand:
A vector possesses both a magnitude and a direction in space. Examples of vectors are velocity, momentum, acceleration and the force associated with an object.

I would advise you to stop quoting the theory of relativity until you have a grasp of classical physics. The Ladybird Junior Science Book might be a good starting point.

[Dell Winders]

How Childish! You guys will argue about anything to try to make a stupid point. Dell

[J_Player]

How Childish! You guys will argue about anything to try to make a stupid point. Dell

Childish?
What point are you talking about? The only points Mr. Devil showed us are on the tips of his horns.

Mr. Devil told us to go to school to learn that scalars have magnitude and direction... but no schools teach this.
It appears Mr. Devil is a pretend (fake) scientist who frequents this forum with his own style of BS.
What is childish about asking Mr. Devil what school teaches this pretend science that he insists is correct?

Dell, you said "I have never seen a Science that was faked. Only, pretend (fake) scientist who frequent this forum with their own style of BS".
Then you proceeded to tell us about your science.
You told us: "The Earth's Magnetic field will collect (concentrate) around, and follow even slightly moving water".

Is this your demonstration of how a self-professed LRL expert is a pretend (fake) scientist who frequents this forum with his own style of BS?
Or can you answer simple questions that you ignored about your alleged "concentrated magnetic field" around moving water?

Does this mean we should look for our compasses to shift and follow the direction of this concentrated magnetic field when we walk near the edge of a stream?
Can we turn on a garden hose and watch the compass needle turn as we move the hose closer to the compass, and move the hose to point different directions above the compass?

Best Wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

Talking about "higher physics"...

The problem of scientific experiments on earth is that those experiences are not influence free!

Theres a difference if you wheigh 1 liter of milk in the kitchen or in the bathroom under water.
Or if you work with water above (even as steam) or below freezing point.
Or: you can't see weak-bright stars if you're living in a huge city but only a few of the most bright ones.
(so you will get just a distorted, partially or wrong reality from your observation or (scientifical) tests...)


The experiments on earth have to deal with:

temperature
pressure
gravitation
radiation of all kind incl. static fields
air
and other stuff


One very mysterious force as example is gravitation. Its possible to shield the magnetic field through iron etc. but so far it was not possible to shield a thing from gravitation - only by huge distance this force is reducable.

In orbit an object needs a speed of 8km per second to create the needed amount of centrifugal force to create a pseudo zero gravity, because without the centrifugal counterforce the shuttle or satellite or whatever would still fall down.

Next we have already the proof that light gets attracted by gravity force. If the ray of light from a very distant star crosses near a heavy object it will get distracted (bended).

Why? Because light has weight, it consist of partical-wave quantums!
Or seen more simple: light consists of highspeed moving electrons which still have a weight!

However scientifically there is no doubt that not just substancial things are getin attracted by gravity (huge amounts of substance) but also electromagnetical energy!

btw. if light goes through vacuum (outer space) it has to be a radiated partical-wave package because there is no agens or ether that could get in oscillation/pulsation by wave-only out there.


The problem was that science and scientifical experimentation has started on the earths surface and not in an influence-free environment.


If we are talking about LRLs which are so high senstitive that they can detect a 1.5v battery spark from 2 meters distance then its extremly important to reduce all kind of negative interfering parameters!

As example I am no friend of testing such devices by holding in the hand and walking around!

Those should be mounted for tests on large wooden rods or lightweight planks so there's at least a 5 meter distance.

And for finding out what they're exactly detecting there have to
be frequency etc. filters before or inside the antenna-system.




And please don't talk here about scalar-waves because those
are part of "para-science" like tesla-waves, free energy, orgon-energy, tachyons, kirlian-aura wave, anti-gravitation generators, time-machines and other fantastic pseudo-science-stuff.


In earlier times I really was interested in the Philadelphia and Montauk Project, in pyramid-energy, in parapsychological forces like mental waves that could cause thought transmission or cause plants having panic if someone nearby thinks about destroying them etc. pp. but this whole field is totally unsecure concerning scientifical proofs and therefore I don't like it anymore. btw. I also hate religions and astrology etc. because it's totally the same rubbish! There exists some institutes that want to investigate some of those phenomenons (the famoust is the Society for Psychical Research (SPR) in Kensington, London, UK, existing since 1882) by scientifical methods but the results are not that clear as they should even after thousands of tests. In the beginning they started with chasing ghosts at haunted castles (England is full of them ) and I'm shure they also wanted to find out how dowsing exactly works but... - so far not much luck!


All this esoterical and paranormal stuff may be quite entertaining, exciting or thrilling if you spent a night without light at a poltergeist-house but it has no use for real reliable working long range treasure locating!

If you find treasures with a pendulum and a treasure map go for it but I'm 100% sure that 99.99999 % of all people who try it will not have success with this method, otherwise all kind of treasures would have been lifted since ages!

btw. the most evil scam are clairvoyants and mentalists that offer their help - of course for a large amount of money - if a person is missing or suspected as dead or murdered!

You can ask all those desperate parents or relatives how high was the success-rate with those quacks and false hope makers! Near Zero!

They are the same useless as fortune-tellers that are too stupid to tell the next lottery-numbers! All just betrayers or self-betrayers that think they have some higher kind of perception but they have nothing than malice, depravity and illusions in their sick minds! Many of them even think they would have a personal contact with some kind of gods or higher spirits - how ridiculous!


the upshot of all this is:

- we need scientifical work and experiments on an as good as influence-free and therefore really reliable test- and recognition basis

- after dozens of years we should know by now what is real science (because it leads to reliable and working results!) and what is pseodoscience, esoterical nonsense or self-betraying

- we shouldn't waste our precious time with the always again and again remaining unclear questions but starting the needed tests and discovery-experiments to find out what is really going on!
(per instance if the LRL beeps at location A but doesn't beep at location B and this is repeatable all the time, we have a starting point to begin with the investigation ...why it beeps! Or is this simple method already too complicated to understand ???)

- we really should start to sue LRL producers their *ss off if those can't provide scientifical proven and reliable device test results! Either they sell good and reliable working stuff or nothing at all!
Their have to be laws established that the proof compulsory for such critical or highly suspicious products lies at the producer and not by the customers! And if the producer is unable to provide those needed certificates he can go to hell or to jail! This should clear the muddy water!