The proof LRLs really work

[Fred]

Mineoro offered a $50,000 challenge for anyone that could prove the Mineoro didn't work.

Do you realize how funny this is ? I mean, a company that offer a reward to be "proven their stuff don´t work " ?!? Ahah. What a joke....
And "according to their research methods" right? Does it includes the use of a hidden transmitter ?

Why not to simply prove their marvellous devices actually works ??
Would seem more logical and productive to me

[Funfinder]

Dell Winders at work

Our dowsing-device and L-rod gurus wanna tell us that's (see below) the way it works - I highly doubt it!


1. You can let attract a thin paper to a charged plastic ball but not
a wooden dowsing-rod to the ground which is immune against static
charge and already shortcuted by the human feet.


2. This also can't work because if the person walks there are
much stronger shocks, vibrations and repercussions than
the static field


3. the static-field difference a small metal objects creates
is far to low to be detectable just by human senses plus
a simple dowsing tool




It is very simple to scientifically test if a person with or without his device is able to detect static. Place him on a wooden floor where below is a room that contains different static charged items.


The human body is no walking electroscope or static charge detector!
Especially not while walking over grass or other areas. No chance.


And there is no way that the landcard of a map-dowser will have special static-charge-hotspots over certain areas that fully match with the real world outside where treasures may be be hidden!


It's really interesting what methods Dell Winders uses to trick or "convince" people so they may think what he tells may be the truth.

The blind will lead the blind...



@ Dell Winders

What's next? The human body as a gravity-field-distortion detector?

Holy cow! Dell Winders found the lost souls from the pirates of the Florida keys with his new model - the detection signal looks like crossed bones!


Dell, enjoy it that I'm not the gouvernator of Florida or you could detect the iron bars of a prison cell already for a long long time, but from the inside!

You are fooling stupid folks who doesn't know it any better with your pseudo wonder machines and you have not the slightest feeling of guiltiness about it. Instead you think you are the best.

All you have are flukes and ideomotoric self-deception!

read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_effect

And now Dell please stop hijacking this thread, if your stuff really works Carl Moreland would have found the proof for this since many many years!
You are just one of so many many esoterical crap provider old grannys and superstitious people fall for!

You also could sell crystals made of glass and tell them it will protect them from evil spirits and many of those extremly mentally poor lunatics out there would believe it!

Perhaps you should go to Haiti and ban the voodoo-gods with your wonder-machines - this land is full of blind believers! Or even better:
Go there an the detect some zombies!



@ all:

Back to topic !!!

This thread is about real electronical EM-field detecting devices and really reliable methods to test them!!!

Angle-poles, pendulums or dowsing stuff for shure never will pass such tests!

[Carl-NC]

Thank you, Dell, you are right, and I had forgotten about that. As the linked thread shows, Mineoro not only refused to follow up on the "challenge," they even blocked my emails. Some challenge, eh?

The question remains unanswered.

[Dell Winders]

Funfinder you present yourself as another example of the cult of WEIS that reside here. Unfortunately, You have been trapped in your little box for so long you haven't a clue how physics work in nature.

Go ahead, Let all those pent up rants out about me, and how uneducated you believe LRL consumers are, and see if it helps ease some of your frustrations. A reality check is probably in order.

If what I say bothers you so much, just ignore me. I don't mind. Dell

[WM6]

If static field attract dowsing rod independent from ideomotoric movement of dowsers hand, then why they must keep dowsing rod in hand during dowsing session?

Wouldn't dowsing rod be more attracted by static field, if hanged on string instead to be held firmly in hand?

[Qiaozhi]

Funfinder you present yourself as another example of the cult of WEIS that reside here. Unfortunately, You have been trapped in your little box for so long you haven't a clue how physics work in nature.

Go ahead, Let all those pent up rants out about me, and how uneducated you believe LRL consumers are, and see if it helps ease some of your frustrations. A reality check is probably in order.

If what I say bothers you so much, just ignore me. I don't mind. Dell

You remind me of a long deceased uncle. When I was studying Physics at university, he asked me, "What's a physic anyway?".

FunFinder's link included a very true statement concerning those self-deluded souls who believe that dowsing really works: "Many subjects are unconvinced that their actions are originating solely from within themselves."

Try looking outside your [trailer] box at the real world for a change. Map dowsing at your kitchen table is a fools' game.

[Geo]

You remind me of a long deceased uncle. When I was studying Physics at university, he asked me, "What's a physic anyway?".

FunFinder's link included a very true statement concerning those self-deluded souls who believe that dowsing really works: "Many subjects are unconvinced that their actions are originating solely from within themselves."

Try looking outside your [trailer] box at the real world for a change. Map dowsing at your kitchen table is a fools' game.

So what????, because funfinder told it .. what is mean???, it is right!!!....

Qiaozhi, calm. One day you will see a real dowser and after it you will not know what to say....
For you, all the believers to dowsing are fools and all the non believers are the clever.

I don't think......

[J_Player]

So what????, because funfinder told it .. what is mean???, it is right!!!....

Qiaozhi, calm. One day you will see a real dowser and after it you will not know what to say....
For you, all the believers to dowsing are fools and all the non believers are the clever.

I don't think......

I saw a real dowser, and I knew what to say:
"Why are you finding only gold nuggets which you place on the ground and watch them while you are dowsing?
Can't you find the nuggets when I hide them? "


Best Wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

You have to ask your self, if you are smart enough to learn to use L-rods to detect Magnetic fields?

...If you want to place L rods in a stationary vice that's your prerogative but it sounds like a stupid, awkward way of using them.
Be sure you connect wires to the handles and hold the ends of the wires. A human connection is used to alter the polarity of the Rod(s).

Originally posted by Qiaozhi:
A human connection is used to [unconsciously] move the rod. This is your so-called trained ideomotor effect, or (in other words) self deception.

Hmmm....
It sounds like Dell has suggested an actual test we can perform to prove L-rods will detect the magnetic field of objects which LRLs find...
We can attach rods in a vice and connect wires to the handles and hold the ends of the wires like Dell says.

Then we can get an assistant to wave some targets in front of the rods to see if they move.
We can try samples of the same elements which Dell says he tested on his web page: gold, silver, copper, lead, nickels, diamonds, emeralds, garnet, flint and aspirin".
We will certainly see the LRL L-rod move to follow the magnetic field of these objects....

Will it work as well as this L-rod LRL following the "magnetic field" of a gold ring we wave in front of it when there is no vice?



Now lemme see...
The force vectors go right-left, front-back, and vertical.
I wonder where the imaginary component is?


Best wishe's
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

So what????, because funfinder told it .. what is mean???, it is right!!!....

Qiaozhi, calm. One day you will see a real dowser and after it you will not know what to say....
For you, all the believers to dowsing are fools and all the non believers are the clever.

I don't think......

OK ... I'll take the bait.

What do you mean by "a real dowser"?

[Carl-NC]

I'm still wondering if there is really anyone who can use L-rods to detect a magnetic field, or if that was another spurious claim. I'm sure I could do it if the rods are made of steel. Maybe that's what he meant.

[J_Player]

I'm still wondering if there is really anyone who can use L-rods to detect a magnetic field, or if that was another spurious claim. I'm sure I could do it if the rods are made of steel. Maybe that's what he meant.

I believe you will see the rods Dell sells are made of 1/8" brass brazing rods.
The belief in "magnetic field" causing a brass or copper L-rod to move comes from pseudoscience collected by people who do not have much education.
Pseudoscience practitioners are not very good with scalars, vectors or imaginary numbers; their version of science must explain imaginary signal lines.

Wierd magnetic teachings can also come from practitioners of hungscience, who were taught the facts of magnetic fields, but prefer to make up their own axioms of science.
This helps them to explain how they can locate a coin from a mile distance, as long as they don't have annoying science and reality to get in the way.

Best Wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

JP, is another grand supporter of WEIS, who is locked in his safe little closed minded box where actual field tests, knowledge, or field experience is permitted to enter. Dell

[J_Player]

JP, is another grand supporter of WEIS, who is locked in his safe little closed minded box where actual field tests, knowledge, or field experience is permitted to enter. Dell

It looks like I wandered out of the "science box" to the "land of Omnitronia" where king Dell explained how to make L-rods detect Magnetic fields from a vice....

You have to ask your self, if you are smart enough to learn to use L-rods to detect Magnetic fields?

...If you want to place L rods in a stationary vice that's your prerogative but it sounds like a stupid, awkward way of using them.
Be sure you connect wires to the handles and hold the ends of the wires. A human connection is used to alter the polarity of the Rod(s).

Is this your suggestion to show how field testing an L-rod in a vice really works, from "Dell knowledge and field experience"?
Or did someone else post those words?


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

JP, is another grand supporter of WEIS, who is locked in his safe little closed minded box where actual field tests, knowledge, or field experience is permitted to enter. Dell

Did you mean "not permitted to enter"?

It's strange how the personal insults start when you find yourself in a corner.