Are you interested how LRLs really work?

[Funfinder]

If YES:

provide and help to get useful, technical, electronical, reliable test-experience, concrete and other HARD FACTS !


if NO:

play your miserable mysterious-chandler games somewhere else!

I'm so sick of it!

Stupid timewasting "bla bla blas" all over this forum!

[Qiaozhi]

Funfinder - In order to balance the information provided in Chapter 13 of Inside the METAL DETECTOR, I spent some of my valuable time in investigating the claims of the PDK. My findings were presented in Chapter 14, and resulted in the LRL design referred to as TOTeM. In the same way as HammerHead is a learning platform for PI detectors, and Raptor is a learning platform for VLF, the TOTem pistol detector is designed as an experimental platform for electronic LRLs. Unlike the other designs on this site, all the information is provided. Nothing is hidden, and all the facts are open for everyone to see. The device acts like the PDK, passes all the laboratory tests described throughout this forum, and even appears to following a "signal line" when in use. Whether this will lead you to untold riches is maybe a different story, but at least I've provided you with the tools you need to experiment. A couple of members have started building TOTeM, but so far I've not heard of any results (good or bad). Perhaps they're all lounging around on a desert island enjoying their new found riches.

[Funfinder]

Hi Qiaozhi

Very good, you see the hole thing from a scientific and technical point of view, too.

What is that TOTeM abbreviation thing?


In german tot means dead plus em = dead EM Field locator!

And this is a very good decribition for those kind of detectors!


You're talking about "laboratory tests passed" - what has been tested exactly -
earth magnetical field, 60kHz longwave directional signal distortions, electrostatic fields?
At least we must exclude 2 of the here described detection-methods to get a clear picture.



>Perhaps they're all lounging around on a desert island enjoying their new found riches.

Absolutly. On an island at the Bahamas, Maldives or Hawaii, drinking champage
or coconutmilk and looking for pirate-treasures you can't find without LRL.

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi

Very good, you see the hole thing from a scientific and technical point of view, too.

What is that TOTeM abbreviation thing?


In german tot means dead plus em = dead EM Field locator!

And this is a very good decribition for those kind of detectors!


You're talking about "laboratory tests passed" - what has been tested exactly -
earth magnetical field, 60kHz longwave directional signal distortions, electrostatic fields?
At least we must exclude 2 of the here described detection-methods to get a clear picture.

You will need to read Chapter 14 to find out.

https://www.geotech1.com/itmd

[Funfinder]

You will need to read Chapter 14 to find out.
www.geotech1.com/itmd

I doubt we will find ITMD whats going on OTLD.


btw. congrats Qiaozhi & Carl for the book and much success as
authors. I also have written already some books, 15 years ago.

You please may upload an excerpt so I know what's goining on
"inside the inside the metal detector book".


Oh - you still wonder what means: OTLD?

Outside The Longrange-Detector!

[Qiaozhi]

You please may upload an excerpt so I know what's goining on
"inside the inside the metal detector book".

https://www.geotech1.com/itmd

[Funfinder]

www.geotech1.com/itmd

We don't like to buy "LRL-cats in bags" and the same applies to books so its good to have a few excerpt pages so you can get a real impression, not just the content only.


And this ITMB-book should not became another "pseudo-secret-key" to pseudonotworking LRL circuits. It starts with "you must read the book otherwise I won't tell you the meaning of TOTeM" and ends with:

You must buy the book or you can't construct those ominous TOTeM circuits!

No, because I don't buy "LRL-device-cats in bags" and I also don't buy "LRL-circuit-cats-in-bags"! No clever person should!


Otherwise the creators of this ITMD book are on the same step as those mysterious-chandlers begining from hung over Morgan to Geo!


This forum even is all around being skeptical about all those fabulous and unconfirmed LRL claims!

[Geo]

Otherwise the creators of this ITMD book are on the same step as those mysterious-chandlers begining from hung over Morgan to Geo!

I not supply anything. Not trying to sell anything. What i do, it's just my hobby.
You try to represent Crypton in Europe and make a procurement from them. You try to win against from these lrls.
You're a liar, a hypocrite and a fraud.. Sometimes show opponents of lrls , and sometimes trying to sell lrls...

[Morgan]

The PDK story

We don't like to buy "LRL-cats in bags" and the same applies to books so its good to have a few excerpt pages so you can get a real impression, not just the content only.


And this ITMB-book should not became another "pseudo-secret-key" to pseudonotworking LRL circuits. It starts with "you must read the book otherwise I won't tell you the meaning of TOTeM" and ends with:

You must buy the book or you can't construct those ominous TOTeM circuits!

No, because I don't buy "LRL-device-cats in bags" and I also don't buy "LRL-circuit-cats-in-bags"! No clever person should!


Otherwise the creators of this ITMD book are on the same step as those mysterious-chandlers begining from hung over Morgan to Geo!


This forum even is all around being skeptical about all those fabulous and unconfirmed LRL claims!

About me, maybe you think I use this forum to sell crap PDKs, but no, I help people to find treasures with PDKs, and if PDKs are BS fraud nobody found nothing with them,they become useless,however I have a big list of people demanding this LRL becouse friends found gold and silver with PDKs and they want the same LRL for them to try,pherhaps you not believe...maybe you think is coincidence...and people found the objects just by chance...

well,I made many tests with many metal detectors and LRLs,I found many objects with the old Alonsos PD, and PDK-2 and PDK-3, I know when the LRL mark a real spot,no coincidence.

[Qiaozhi]

We don't like to buy "LRL-cats in bags" and the same applies to books so its good to have a few excerpt pages so you can get a real impression, not just the content only.

Chapter 14 begins:

We have already explored several types of long range locator (LRL) in the previ-
ous chapter, but the pistol detector (PD) is a curious beast that warrants a chapter all
to itself. Firstly, the term “pistol detector” does not refer to an ability to detect pistols,
but instead describes the mechanical construction and the way it is held. Traditional
metal detectors have a search coil attached to a long stem that is swept back and forth
across the surface of the ground. In contrast the PD is held at chest height, some con-
siderable distance above the ground, in the manner of a pistol; see Figure 14-1 for a
typical example. The search coil on the device points forwards in a horizontal fashion,
and not downwards. The general idea behind this device is to detect any anomalies,
which may be present in the background electromagnetic noise, which might be asso-
ciated with longtime buried treasure.
It is easy to dismiss LRLs as working by self-deception, because the final recov-
ery is nearly always performed using a conventional metal detector. However, in the
case of the PD, the device incorporates a TR-type detector that can be used to pin-
point the target. Therefore it is difficult to use the same argument as for the other
LRLs, because there is no doubt, in the case of a recovered target, that the PD was
involved. The important question is whether this device has any credibility as an
LRL, or is this just another case of wishful thinking? Note that many LRL proponents
claim the PD is really a medium range locator (MRL) with detecting distances mea-
sured in meters rather than kilometers.
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The chapter continues with a description of the PD, and a discussion of the "phenomenon" that is supposedly associated with longtime buried gold. The TOTeM design begins with the receiver, followed by the TX circuit. There is a short section on the sky and compass effects, and how the overall design is used to detect the anomaly. We then proceed to coil nulling (using a unique technique). Finally we ask the question "But Does it Actually Work?".
Here's a small part of the answer:
The purpose of this project was to develop a “working” experimental platform
for anyone wishing to investigate this grey area of metal detecting. This is a highly
speculative area of research, and there is absolutely no guarantee of success. Remem-
ber... here there be dragons!

The technical descriptions conclude with:
At the very start of this chapter it states “The TOTeM Project”, but what is the
meaning?
Is it?
1. Because
you can see a long way from the top of a totem pole? (ie. A tenuous
reference to long range locating.)
2. An abbreviation of Totally Electromagnetic?
3. Or simply a “Trick Of The Mind”?
Whatever you believe, have fun building and experimenting with this device.

Lastly we end the chapter with full constructional details.

There are 21 pages in Chapter 14, so it's not an empty discussion of PDKs. This was a real attempt at producing a pistol detector from scratch, and not just another clone. It reacts in the same way as the Alonso PD, and offers both passive and active modes, with an audio output that can be turned on or off, LED indication (both analog and digital), and a meter (switchable between slow and fast response). If an anomaly truly exists, then TOTeM should be able to detect it. Now there is nothing stopping anyone building their own PDK for a fraction of the cost of a commercial unit, and then making up their own mind as to whether the phenomenon exists or not.

So, it's up to you!

[nelson]

Hi Qiaozhi

I agree with you and also i will like to ask who design ToTEM schematic?

Regards

Nelson

Funfinder - In order to balance the information provided in Chapter 13 of Inside the METAL DETECTOR, I spent some of my valuable time in investigating the claims of the PDK. My findings were presented in Chapter 14, and resulted in the LRL design referred to as TOTeM. In the same way as HammerHead is a learning platform for PI detectors, and Raptor is a learning platform for VLF, the TOTem pistol detector is designed as an experimental platform for electronic LRLs. Unlike the other designs on this site, all the information is provided. Nothing is hidden, and all the facts are open for everyone to see. The device acts like the PDK, passes all the laboratory tests described throughout this forum, and even appears to following a "signal line" when in use. Whether this will lead you to untold riches is maybe a different story, but at least I've provided you with the tools you need to experiment. A couple of members have started building TOTeM, but so far I've not heard of any results (good or bad). Perhaps they're all lounging around on a desert island enjoying their new found riches.

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Qiaozhi

I agree with you and also i will like to ask who design ToTEM schematic?

Regards

Nelson

I am the designer of the TOTeM project. Many times in this forum skeptics have been accused of having no first-hand knowledge of LRLs, so I decided to remedy the situation and design a pistol detector from first principles. TOTeM is not simply a clone of the Alonso PDK, and is not connected to the work done by Morgan, Geo and others. There are some new ideas in the design to improve coil balancing and increase sensitivity. I make no claims as to the effectiveness of the device in finding longtime buried gold at long (or even medium) range. However, it is (like the Alonso PD) able to detect metal objects at short distances for the purposes of pinpointing. Also, if balanced correctly, it can discriminate between ferrous and non-ferrous targets. Basically, TOTeM is an experimental platform that will allow anyone to explore this grey area of metal detecting for a small amount of money, plus the time required to build the device. You can switch between active or passive modes in order to test the effectiveness of either approach. At times you can appear to be following a "signal Line", but whether this has anything to do with buried treasure is for you to determine. Everything is explained in Chapter 14 of the book, so you are free to modify and improve the design as you wish. The original project was built on stripboard, but Sneshko has designed a PCB to make it even easier to construct. The rest is up to you.

[Fred]

If it not already done, it could be interesting to make the RX coil adjustable in frequency so it could be tuned to some broadcast frequency, like a giant two-boxes.
As you say the TOTeM is an interesting platform.
(But because of the lower case "e", it has to be a "Trick of the mind" :P )

[Qiaozhi]

If it not already done, it could be interesting to make the RX coil adjustable in frequency so it could be tuned to some broadcast frequency, like a giant two-boxes.
As you say the TOTeM is an interesting platform.
(But because of the lower case "e", it has to be a "Trick of the mind" :P )

Remembering that I'm a skeptic ... then TOTeM does in fact mean a Trick Of The Mind.

However, I would like to know what other non-skeptics think. Whether you are skeptical or not, this is an electronic LRL, and therefore should be unaffected by the operator's beliefs. Anyone can take a White's Coinmaster to the park and find buried coins. Believing they're there is not a prerequisite.

[Funfinder]

I not supply anything. Not trying to sell anything. What i do, it's just my hobby.
You try to represent Crypton in Europe and make a procurement from them. You try to win against from these lrls.
You're a liar, a hypocrite and a fraud.. Sometimes show opponents of lrls , and sometimes trying to sell lrls...

Geo, your technical info is near worthless, thats why I call you a mysterious-chandler. You are blocking real scientifical investigations and indirectly protecting the fraud circuits of Mineoro.

If those circuits and devices would be really good, Alonso wouldn't need such cheap tricks to "rob" 10.000s of dollars from people by suggesting them the Mineoro would work as shown or advertised.

Who do you think you are, together with Morgan the holy grail keepers of the great Mineoro LRL secrets?

You can keep your LRL and your anyway useless knowledge for your self, don't waste my precious time with this crap!





> You try to represent Crypton in Europe

Are you crazy - I'm just very interested in this device because it really seems it works reliable, it has a fair price and it is for sale.

Too bad for greedy mysterious-chandlers who like to make a superbig secret out of their circuits and selfmade-stuff.

Before I would represent Crypton in Europe I would make scientifical tests how good this device really works. So Geo don't tell cheap fairytale-stories!



> You're a liar, a hypocrite and a fraud.. Sometimes show opponents of lrls , and sometimes trying to sell lrls...

You must live in a world full of illusions, making such pointless accusations. Dream on if you can't face the truth.



> Sometimes show opponents of lrls , and sometimes trying to sell lrls...

Show me where did it tried to sell LRL - you can't!

And of course I am the opponent against fraud LRLs! Do you think I let BS myself from all kind of fraudsters and
liars in this world? For shure not!

Idiots can't fool me, not by religion, not by esoteric and for shure not by nonworking electronical pseudo device crap!