fitzgerald is a big lie

[Carl-NC]

IMAGINE THAT!
An EE that lies about their product. What a revelation.

What EE?

[Carl-NC]

Just looking a the advertisement, it says it is accurate to 1/10,000 of a Hertz. No way he would be using whole numbers, so something is not right here.

It's called "not understanding what PPM means."

[Mike(Mont)]

Ah Carl, good to see you back. How was your trip to Tahiti Or wherever you were? At least the forum has skeptic that knows SOMETHING about LRL's. Or am I stretching things?

Yes, I now realize he was trying to copy the Vector Trek design and failed. I think the guy's name is Neil Pagal or something like that. It's definitely an older construction with the crystal oscillators. No, I have little electronics knowledge. If I get your take on the parts per million you're saying the accuracy cannot be that good especially if you start in the MHz range. I'm not ready to call them liars because I am not qualified.

[Mike(Mont)]

So if you start with five parts per million that is one part per 200,000 and that is 1/1,000 at 200Hz. You'd have to get down to 20 Hz before you get 1/10,000 Hz accuracy. Since I don't know what freq they use, it is possible they get that accuracy. But that is assuming the freq divider is perfectly accurate. Not likely.

[Carl-NC]

The PDF-1000 is a Vector Trek model made by Neil Pagal. Fitzgerald is just the peddler. I own a PDF-1000 but don't have the design details here in front of me.

The crystals are probably 100ppm which is pretty common. Someone who doesn't know what that means might claim an accuracy of 1/10,000 Hz but that only works if the output is 1 Hz. The "doesn't know what that means" only gets worse from there.

[Dell Winders]

What EE?

Carl, just a reminder of your past. You know as well as I do, that every time you look in the mirror you see the reflection of an EE that has proven himself to be a chronic LIAR.

As long as I am alive I will serve as that reminder. Randi, is busted, you are alone in your cover-ups now. There is still time for your apologies.

I wonder how much you pay your puppet moderator to perpetuate your lies and deception. I can only feel sorry for Qiaozhi, for his mis-placed loyalty to you. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

I wonder how much you pay your puppet moderator to perpetuate your lies and deception. I can only feel sorry for Qiaozhi, for his mis-placed loyalty to you. Dell

You might find this surprising, but Carl pays me nothing to act as co-administrator of the Geotech and LRL forums. I do this out of my volition, and to oppose the dissemination of misleading information by the purveyors of so-called LRLs, which are nothing more than dowsing rods with do-nothing electronics attached.

On the other hand, I am happy to assist and encourage experimenters in their efforts to produce an all-electronic LRL. Their efforts may eventually come to nothing, but as Thomas Edison has been quoted as saying: "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”

As a reminder of your own past:
Your efforts over the last 30+ years have also been a failure. Unfortunately you've not yet recognised that as a fact.

[Mike(Mont)]

Edison was a thief and dishonest. Ask Tesla. He had nothing good to say about him. As I recall he said his methods were like finds a needle in a haystack by removing every last piece of hay. Of course he didn't do that. He had helpers do all the work.

I don't like trying to convince skeptics about LRL's. I use them and they work. It takes lots of time and some form of meditation to gain your focus on your body response. As one guy put it, there are about 50 micro tesla's and the nano tesla's have to be picked out from the background noise. The human body can do this. I've also read some animals can be taught to have the magnetic sense. Maybe humans need to be taught also. Probably better said as taught to be aware of it.

As for the Vector Trek, never seen one other than the photos. I have to assume they would not put something out on the market that did not work. Maybe the 1/10,000 Hz comment was a stretch, but even 1/1000 Hz at 200 Hz is very accurate. Sounds like Mr. Ubram did not get it copied correctly. Possible the frequencies need to be programmed, I don't know. I'm sure Carl could help on this.

[Qiaozhi]

Edison was a thief and dishonest. Ask Tesla.

I'd love to ask Tesla a lot of questions. Unfortunately he died in 1943.

I have to assume they would not put something out on the market that did not work.

That's a very naive assumption.

[Carl-NC]

I have to assume they would not put something out on the market that did not work.

You would then have to assume the same thing for the calculator-on-a-stick thingy.

[Mike(Mont)]

Okay I get your point, but Fitz has a lot more at stake. He had a large customer base and he knows a lot more about it. I don't know if you saw their calculator video. The guy spins the thing around maybe 60 RPM and then zap, he stops it so it points in a direction. The amount of ideomtor required to stop the rotation is about a factor of 100 of a regular dowsing rod.

[Mike(Mont)]

I'm not here to try and tell you all LRL dealers are ethical. But let's not confuse things here. The calculator thingy is not what I consider to be an LRL. It is a disguised dowsing rod.

[Qiaozhi]

I'm not here to try and tell you all LRL dealers are ethical. But let's not confuse things here. The calculator thingy is not what I consider to be an LRL. It is a disguised dowsing rod.

Any LRL with a swingy handle, and something else attached that "enhances" the signal (whether it's a calculator, some do-nothing electronics, mobile phone, egg box, or whatever) is a disguised dowsing rod. This also includes any contraption (such as an MFD) that supposedly injects a signal into the ground.

So what do you consider to be an LRL?

[Fred]

Any LRL with a swingy handle, and something else attached that "enhances" the signal (whether it's a calculator, some do-nothing electronics, mobile phone, egg box, or whatever) is a disguised dowsing rod. This also includes any contraption (such as an MFD) that supposedly injects a signal into the ground.

So what do you consider to be an LRL?

I think random beeping devices should fall into the same category, the only difference being that you turn the device until the random beeping matches your goal.

[Qiaozhi]

I think random beeping devices should fall into the same category, the only difference being that you turn the device until the random beeping matches your goal.

It's the mind's ability to hear patterns in the random noise, that is the most intriguing part of these devices. Far more subtle than a clumsy old swingy handle contraption.