Dell's complaints

[Dell Winders]

I moved Dell's off-topic complaining to a new thread. This thread is for the discussion of the Sniffex device, if anyone is still interested.

Just deleting your derogatory comment, and a simple apology is suffecient. Dell

** Dell did this years ago, as well. So the Sniffex is not just garbage, it's old recycled garbage.

[Dell Winders]

Michael, if you're happy with your DDL, and it's putting the gold in your hand, then by golly, use it

Carl, there you go again with assumption. The DDL is not a Gold Locator. That is a fact. Dell

[sony]

Again !??

:mad: :confused:
"For you to join in a lie about people without evidence of truth, is not ethical,
or moral. Serious repercussions can eventually happen to anyone who choses that
path in life and who has no remorse, or apology..."
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Look who's talking !? You should think twice about what you just said! The same measures
could be taken in your case....Is there any law there in Miami?
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"Carl, I hope you are smart enough know better. customers wouldn't be sending letters
of praise and providing word of mouth advertising if they thought they had invested
their money in garbage..."
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What customers you are talking about!? Those from TV Shop?Those who advertising all those
scum products every day,again and again....Make's me wanna puke of them!
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"It was not an inference, Dell... you make garbage products. ..."
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Dell for sure is making garbage products! Everybody who had chance to test it, knows that!
Only morons still beleive in those! And morons are the strongest associates in any
advertising business whatever.
Who want to argue any more here? Me not, for sure! But please stop opening more threads
on one only subject here! We have here dozen threads about same stuff. LRL,dowsing,mineoro,
pseudo science,blah-blah, various bogus devices and projects. It is spreading like cancer.
One simple thread is enough. O.K. i can agree that those people can be here,can use this
forum, but give them one thread,their own thread.Do not let them to open a new thread every
day. Just look the forum,count threads by type or thema, and you'll see that they grow up
every day,more and more.But the very same people,same number.No more new names,same people
spreading everywhere,bugging and bashing more and more! They can persuade even a God to
visit hell by weekend, if continue like this!
One thing i do know for sure.Nobody can persuade me to beleive in nonsences.I am not moron.
Only thing,i am gonna leave from here for good. This supposed to be good news for them.But
so as i heared, the other people will leave too.Sooner or later this forum will be the place
just for them, and Carl...you'll be in a big trouble...
Why am i so "called" to mix here? I'll explain.
For a while, let's imagine this situation:
Let's put that you live in a small place.Year by year, you noticing more and more man from
your place turns to be a ***! So,you do not have problem with that, you are straight and
all's fine, at least more girls for you! But, you have a son! As he grows up, you became
afraid that he'll turn to a *** too if you do not undertake something! So, to preclude that,
you must start fighting against them! And,slowly, step by step, you became the great
antagonist against gays. You'll use any means to destroy them.God bless you!
The very same thing here. I know that it is impossible to turn those people to stop.But
i would like to preclude others to be catched in lies, prejudices and frauds!
When tissue is infected at that level that it can endager the rest of body, you simply
operate and cut it out.Simply as that!
So, at the end, since those kind of people exist, and they are already here,o.k. let them
be there, but give them just enough space and no more.Neither one step more! As administrator,
and very accountable person here, you have very serious responsibility, cose this supposed to
be public place.A lot of youngsters coming here.What are they goona learn here?LRL!? Dowsing!?
"Foolishing" and acting like idiot!? Think about that....
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[Dell Winders]

Do you really belive this is Noah's ark?

Leto, Personally, I do not know if if it is, or isn't the remains of Noah's Ark. I will leave that answer to the historians and biblical scholars. As far as I know there may have been several large ships (Arks) and people that may have survived the great flood of that period, although the bible only relates the account of Noah.

A video documentary by G Edward Griffen, "The Discovery of Noah's Ark" http://www.realityzone.com does present some compelling evidence. It is Turkey's #1 archaeology site.

David Fasold, was my dearest friend and we had close communication of the events right up until the day he died. It is my opinion that if there ever has been a man that was chosen of GOD, for a specific purpose on this earth, David Fasold was one of those men. I am humbled and priveledged to have known him, regardless of what people wish to believe, or not to believe. Dell

[Dell Winders]

I on my own, have used Dell Directional Rod (DDL). it's really different from L rods and strongly pulls to target. As I wrote here: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...t=11046&page=9
Honesty to god all of my statements are true.
We could pass all of the double blind tests by DDL. When at first we saw and held it in our hands said "this was DDL?!! don't think can do more than other rods" , but no, honestly it was another thing.
It's unfair to name it garbage. As I had no experience with other Dell products can't emit statement about, but believe one thing; "A handful indicates a kharvar"

Michael, thank you for your honesty, and kind words. Dell

[Carl-NC]

David Fasold, was my dearest friend and we had close communication of the events right up until the day he died. It is my opinion that if there ever has been a man that was chosen of GOD, for a specific purpose on this earth, David Fasold was one of those men. I am humbled and priveledged to have known him, regardless of what people wish to believe, or not to believe.

And what David Fasold's final conclusion about the site? Did he believe it was the Ark, or did he finally decide it was a natural geologic formation?

[Carl-NC]

Carl, there you go again with assumption. The DDL is not a Gold Locator. That is a fact. Dell

I know that, and you know that... but does Michael know that?

[hung]

I just visited Dell's products page and all his concepts sound sane to me. MFD's have been around for a long time. The only thing is that it requires skills from the operator since this method generally utilizes dowsing rods. And many people apparently don't have those skills and can't accept that.
Although in my opinion, a completely electronic device such as the Mineoro ionic detectors are much less prone to interferences and false signals,
I strongly disagree and blame who says Dell's products are garbage.
This, besides being a declared disrespect to forum etiquette, proves an offensive attack to a respected member with lots of experience in the field by who in my opinion should be the guardian of good manners as the moderator.

[Carl-NC]

I strongly disagree and blame who says Dell's products are garbage. This, besides being a declared disrespect to forum etiquette, proves an offensive attack to a respected member with lots of experience in the field by who in my opinion should be the guardian of good manners as the moderator.

I didn't say anything about Dell, I just said his products are garbage. I did so with the best manners possible.

Tell me Hung, based on your understanding of MFD, and based on Dell's web site, for what purpose do you think his products are useful? Specifically, what are his products supposed to do?

[Dell Winders]

And what David Fasold's final conclusion about the site? Did he believe it was the Ark, or did he finally decide it was a natural geologic formation?

I'm sorry Carl, I can't speak for other people. Get the video, read the books and learn from that.

It appears to me that David's purpose was to show his research and evidence to allow the professionals, and the public to reach their own conclusions. He didn't seem to feel his personal belief was important

Of course, there will always be Scientific pretenders who will form their conclusion using a single piece of evidence to base their belief on nothing more than presumption and assumption.

"The door to understanding & knowledge is never open to a closed, or prejudiced mind" Dell

[Leto]

The Deluvian Period...

About those "Arks"..
The postcard you got from David Fasold is actualy Durupinar, dicovered by Llhan Durupinar, a captain in the Turkish army while reviewing Aerial photographs taken for NATO's geodetic survey of Turkey in 1974 and not by your friend David Fasold (may he rest in peace) equiped with your "instruments"....

It is Turkey's #1 archaeology site.

Durupinar also is NOT Turkey's #1 archaeology site. Where did you get this idea?

This are untrue informations Dell. Maybe even an apology is in order.

[Leto]

Join the Sceptic Cult.

This is not for you Dell.

Geologists answer for Durupinar ark...

The metal traces that were interpreted as iron brackets were actually goethite, a hydrated iron oxide. This mineral was thoroughly mixed with clay, calcite, quartz, and anthophyllite particles, and it showed a large amount of chemical variability across the sample. Neither of these properties would occur in smelted iron.
The purported walls of the ark are limonite concentrations. Their boatlike shape is consistent with an eroded doubly plunging syncline. The stresses of such folding commonly cause fractures that cut across the layers. Water moving through these fractures would have produced the limonite concentrations that were interpreted as dividing walls.
In short, the structure is consistent with the following geological history:

Rocks formed when sediments eroded from nearby volcanic rocks and were compacted.
These layers were folded into a doubly plunging syncline.
A marine sea eroded a channel into the rocks and deposited fossiliferous limestone in it.
The land was uplifted, and erosion removed most of the limestone and exposed the fold.
A landslide carried blocks of rock and mud around the synclinal structure.
This interpretation is consistent with the structure itself and with the surrounding geology (Collins and Fasold 1996).

No fossilized wood or traces of wood, reed, or elemental carbon were found associated with the structure (Collins and Fasold 1996).

Biblical scholars answer for Durupinar and other "Ark sites"..

The Durupinar site is incompatible with the biblical account. Genesis 8:4-6 says the flood waters receded for two and a half months after the ark landed before other mountaintops became visible. The Durupinar site is almost 10,000 feet lower than the summit of nearby Agri Dagh. Agri Dagh would have been visible above water even before the ark landed (Standish and Standish 1999, 236).
The Bible describes a rectangular ark. Wyatt's ark is boat-shaped and about 50 percent wider than the dimensions given in the Bible (Standish and Standish 1999, 106, 230-231).
The "anchor" stones likely had nothing to do with Christianity or the ark. Such stones were known to have been crafted by pagans for their worship before Christianity came to Armenia. The "rope holes" were niches for lamps. When Christianity came to the region, the stones were Christianized by inscribing Christian symbols on them (Merling n.d.).

The rock from which the anchor stones are made is volcanic rock found around Mount Ararat where the anchor stones were found, but not found in Mesopotamia (Iraq) from which Noah is alleged to have departed (Collins and Fasold 1996). If the stones were crafted by Noah, they would have come from the region where Noah came from, not where he landed.

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders
Carl, there you go again with assumption. The DDL is not a Gold Locator. That is a fact. Dell

I know that, and you know that... but does Michael know that?

Carl, Michael's business, or mine, is none of your business!

Michael, is an intelligent person capable of speaking for himself. I don't speak for him.

If you have factual evidence that supports your allegation, and inferences about me or the products I build and sell then show it. Your attempt to rally support for your ego and skeptic cult agenda, appears neither scientific, or rational.

What business do you think it is of yours whether my website meets your expectations, or has your approval as long as I am truthful? What is your problem with folks being honest? Dell

[Dell Winders]

Leto, I am in no way in disagreeance with what you say. That, and much more both Pro & Con, has been written by many people about the subject. I was not there to witness the event (or at least I don't remember) so I do not know any of it for fact, and have no opinion.

It is a fact, that it was regarded as Turkey's No.1 archaeological site at the time of the photo. It is a fact, Turkey, did publicly proclaim the formation to be the remains of Noah's Ark, as a result of Fasold's report, followed by numerous scientific and archaeological survey's. It is a fact, that the MFD was used to plot the locations of probable deep buried Iron anomalies that were in a systematic pattern and appeared strategicly located throughout the entire formation. It is a fact, that the position of these anomalies was confirmed by GPR, and the near surface Iron anomalies, which also appear to be placed in a systematic pattern, were confirmed and ground truthed, with Whites metal detectors, which I supplied. The consistency of the spacing of these anomalies should at least raise questions as to the coincidence comparison of a natural formation to a manmade structure.The technical drawings and measurements relating to these Iron anomalies is illustrated in Fasold's book. A quick view is included in the video.

The wider breadth measurements of the formation can be accurately accounted for by the splaying of the ribs. A natural occourence over time of any ship wreck.

Leto, it's logical to assume this formation has existed for at least two thousand years, geologically speaking. Of course, Fasold, Wyatt, and even Capt.Durupinar, were not the original discoverers of the formation. That is a mute point. According to the description of events in the video documentary, in modern times the geological formation manifest itself to human scrutiny in 1946 or 1947, I forget which. Coincidently, the same year Israel became a nation.

I don't wish to spend time on this subject debating facts I could not possibly know. I apologize if you were somehow mis-lead by my earlier reply. Dell

[michael]

I know that, and you know that... but does Michael know that?

Carl,it was rare for you as a moderator to put such a thread and allege in this way.
Why shouldn't I knew or know that?!!! That's right I am not electrician but I am experienced in detection and doing so much hard tests in field. We are very strict in approving any kind of detector and it never concerns to my electrical knowledge.
preparing useless Notsi LRL made us skeptic of LRLing. but after making that good transmitter our minds changed.
Carl, Where did I write it's gold detector?!
I didn't mention other angles of our tests. e.g. my partners continuously changed the location of gold, iron and silver plates and the transmitted Freq. I never knew each target place or what's freq. set.
As dell is honest from first told me it detects every EM (from near by its own) or far when charged by transmitter.
the accuracy depends on your transmitter be matched with DDL. He mentioned X-Scan is the best choice nevertheless we ordered DDL just to prove ourselves LRLing is subjective or objective , of course proved objective.
Dell frequently had mentioned it is not a gold detector. It's clear in his site and forum. When you take a look there see Goldbeam is being claimed as GD not DDL.
we used DDL with our here-built Tr and got those results. If here some people want not to believe, it's up to them and their problem. which kind of documents satisfies them? of course nothing. of course can't be presented here or if be presented who believes? again a new wave of humiliating, bashing, derogatory &..... starts.
Carl, When you state so, what's expectancy of other who audaciously here liken us to gays??
You should have been moral and ethical pattern.