Dell's complaints

[Lost in NC]

There is an obvious difference between the control box of a VR-800 and a Pro-GS that even an idiot can see.
An apology is in order. Dell

you are most likely correct dell only idiots can see the difference . hence, mostly idiots buy these machines without thinking of those famous woids ... Caveat Emptor.

[Dell Winders]

Another thread is needed called "Carl's nonsense & BS " For Carl, to post his made up facts extracted from his own imagination.

Is any one else here obsessed enough to want to own 20+ locators, and doesn't know how to use any of them?

Carl, I'll go as high as $40 to purchase the Raven from you, but I'm guessing your LRL obsession will not let you part with it unless you can make an even bigger profit on your $3 AM radio. Is Thomas, an EE, or tech and you thought you were going to reverse engineer his design?

Your history shows you will never allow the Raven, to work for you, but I think that with a couple of simple modifications I will be able to get the Raven, to work for me, and most any one else. Dell

[Kev]

hustlers, cons and beguilers

Anyone who knowing sells, or promotes a pseudo electronic device, consisting of $40 worth of components and meagre R&D (evident by complexity or innovation) for $1600 is the lowest form of life.

Your unending character attacks Dell, on Carl’s integrity, unmistakably show that he has uncovered your game. I can assure you that Carl without question has the backing of any honest IEEE member, and in fact deserves a medal for all that he has been doing to expose this money making racket.

You Sir, by knowingly promoting this rubbish deserve only a prison cell, otherwise only pity for also having been duped.
Kev.

[hung]

Anyone who knowing sells, or promotes a pseudo electronic device, consisting of $40 worth of components and meagre R&D (evident by complexity or innovation) for $1600 is the lowest form of life.

Your unending character attacks Dell, on Carl’s integrity, unmistakably show that he has uncovered your game. I can assure you that Carl without question has the backing of any honest IEEE member, and in fact deserves a medal for all that he has been doing to expose this money making racket.

You Sir, by knowingly promoting this rubbish deserve only a prison cell, otherwise only pity for also having been duped.
Kev.

Your words above would be hylarious if not extremely worrying.
Man, now I believe in hypnosis.
You are the proof Carl/Randi really can hypnotize people to make them their disciples..
Thank god I'm imunne.

[Kev]

You're in need of help Hung

Your words above would be hylarious if not extremely worrying.
Man, now I believe in hypnosis.
You are the proof Carl/Randi really can hypnotize people to make them their disciples..
Thank god I'm imunne.

These are the thoughts of a dissipated mind.
Hung, can't you see that it draws into question everything you have ever said on this forum, its validity and its sanity.
Kev.

[hung]

Sorry Kev, I don't see it like that.
Dell is a respected researcher with years of experience on his back. I really feel it's a shame anyone can even suggest something nasty about him much less what you stated in your post above.
Although he builds and manufactures his LRLs, he was honest enough to come public and recognize the Mineoro detector worked. If he was dishonest, he could state the opposite due to competition.

Again, I urge people here and everywhere, not taking a single person's words for granted. There might be many working LRLs and concepts which really deserve experimenting. Otherwise it's better to erase Remote Sensing from this forum for good.
What purpose there is, if people just show up to discredit them?
Kev. I'm proud of my detector and I bet Dell is also regarding his own.
Unless you try both and make your own conclusions, don't get lost in conjectures as they will take you nowhere.

[Kev]

I've got nothing against people using LRL, and from Carl's comments nor does he. It would be fantastic if there was merit in these philosophies, but what makes me bloody wild is the rip offs, the exorbitant prices these outfits are charging for a few bits and pieces.

Sure the Mineoro units have a pretty box with some knobs on and a uC that makes it go beep in close proximity to metallic objects, but it's still not worth the price, you don't get the bang for buck you pay for. It has obviously not cost millions of $ in development, the complexity shows that, so there is no valid reason on earth to charge such inflated prices other than to fleece people of their money.

What is worse is the inflated claims of what these devices are meant to do, this is deception, once again tailored to relieve the gullible of their cash.

I've got nothing against people making and using home brew LRL, or buying realistically priced ones for that matter. I truly hope you find your pot of gold. But if you then start selling your contraption at over 1000% mark up, making claims that cannot be substantiated by logical reason, then you're nothing more than a con artist. :mad:


The truth sometimes hurts.
Kev.

[Jim]

Two Thumps Up For This Post!

Anyone who knowing sells, or promotes a pseudo electronic device, consisting of $40 worth of components and meagre R&D (evident by complexity or innovation) for $1600 is the lowest form of life.

Your unending character attacks Dell, on Carl’s integrity, unmistakably show that he has uncovered your game. I can assure you that Carl without question has the backing of any honest IEEE member, and in fact deserves a medal for all that he has been doing to expose this money making racket.

You Sir, by knowingly promoting this rubbish deserve only a prison cell, otherwise only pity for also having been duped.
Kev.

Well said...well said

[hung]

How much for the concept?

I've got nothing against people using LRL, and from Carl's comments nor does he. It would be fantastic if there was merit in these philosophies, but what makes me bloody wild is the rip offs, the exorbitant prices these outfits are charging for a few bits and pieces.

Sure the Mineoro units have a pretty box with some knobs on and a uC that makes it go beep in close proximity to metallic objects, but it's still not worth the price, you don't get the bang for buck you pay for. It has obviously not cost millions of $ in development, the complexity shows that, so there is no valid reason on earth to charge such inflated prices other than to fleece people of their money.

What is worse is the inflated claims of what these devices are meant to do, this is deception, once again tailored to relieve the gullible of their cash.

I've got nothing against people making and using home brew LRL, or buying realistically priced ones for that matter. I truly hope you find your pot of gold. But if you then start selling your contraption at over 1000% mark up, making claims that cannot be substantiated by logical reason, then you're nothing more than a con artist. :mad:


The truth sometimes hurts.
Kev.

What about 50 years of researching the phenomena which allowed them to build a device which it is today? Isn't it worth something?

Pal, take it from a popular short story among us audio engineers. A Sony technician was called to repair a 3348 digital recorder once. When he was finished he said the culprit was just a tiny resistor that had burned. When asked how much he would charge he said 1,000 dollars. The facility owner almost collapsed. What kind of resistor could possibly cost him 1,000 dollars?
The repairman said: "Actually the resistor is 50 cents. I'm charging $999.50 for discovering which one was it."

[Kev]

What about 50 years of researching the phenomena which allowed them to build a device which it is today? Isn't it worth something?

It will be enlightening to see what 50 years of researching has produced once the reverse engineering has been completed.

Pal, take it from a popular short story among us audio engineers. A Sony technician was called to repair a 3348 digital recorder once. When he was finished he said the culprit was just a tiny resistor that had burned. When asked how much he would charge he said 1,000 dollars. The facility owner almost collapsed. What kind of resistor could possibly cost him 1,000 dollars?
The repairman said: "Actually the resistor is 50 cents. I'm charging $999.50 for discovering which one was it."

Are Sony aware of this?
Where their ECOs or service manuals consulted?
Seems to me it's just another example of unscrupulous people taking advantage of others for monetary gain.:mad:

[Qiaozhi]

What about 50 years of researching the phenomena which allowed them to build a device which it is today? Isn't it worth something?

Pal, take it from a popular short story among us audio engineers. A Sony technician was called to repair a 3348 digital recorder once. When he was finished he said the culprit was just a tiny resistor that had burned. When asked how much he would charge he said 1,000 dollars. The facility owner almost collapsed. What kind of resistor could possibly cost him 1,000 dollars?
The repairman said: "Actually the resistor is 50 cents. I'm charging $999.50 for discovering which one was it."

Actually, this is one of those modern myths, like the one about the woman who tried to dry her dog in the microwave.

The usual version is this one:
The manager of a manufacturing plant who, unable to solve a mechanical breakdown, sent for the retired engineer who had installed the machinery. Following a brief inspection, the engineer took a hammer and hit a pipe which did the trick. The next day the engineer submitted a bill for $1,000 to a horrified manager. Above the protests at the charge for a solitary hammer-blow the retired engineer explained, "only $1.00 of it is for hitting the pipe. The other $999 is for knowing where to hit it."

As far as LRLs are concerned - well that's another modern myth. But in this case the charge should only be $1.00, as the "knowing" part is nonexistent.

[hung]

It will be enlightening to see what 50 years of researching has produced once the reverse engineering has been completed.

Kev, looose your hope. It can be reverse engineered. There's essential information missing which makes it impossible to work. Anyone who states the opposite will be lying as he simply don't know about it.

Bt the time of the ionic electrostatic phenomenon discovery, Damasio meet NASA scientists and they agreed it was a new phenomenon which derserved further investigation. He is writing a book about it.

[hung]

It can be reverse engineered.

Sorry, it should read 'it can't be'

[Qiaozhi]

Sorry, it should read 'it can't be'

Did you know that you can edit a previous message several minutes after it was posted? Just click on the "Edit" button below the post.
I note that only one minute had elapsed between your original and corrected versions.

[Jim]

Bt the time of the ionic electrostatic phenomenon discovery, Damasio meet NASA scientists and they agreed it was a new phenomenon which derserved further investigation. He is writing a book about it.

LoL...about tossed my cookies reading this song/dance routine.

I assume that by the mere mention of "NASA scientists" we (the casual observer) should be impressed. Nope.

Damasio should take Carl Moreland’s 25K challenge and prove his scam/fraud device REALLY works.