Mineoro FG80

[hung]

Finally.
My FG80 arrives tomorrow.
Unfortunately I would like to use it at my friend's region where the PDC ruled this weekend.
But I will test it in other places.
Allow me a week for test. Will post my impressions on how it relates to the PDC.

[michael]

Oh! Good news Hung. I hope have nice and satisfiable results.
Haven't you forgotten do and make my proposed 6 test points? Dear friend! don't forget please.
But still can't understand ; when it's ready to be shipped, definitely a manual could be put in their site.
As I see in their site still no info of new models,....!!! why? please remind them. I am much eager to know if is really able to detect a fresh gold from a distance.

[Esteban]

Hi Hung

Let us know your impressions and experiences with it.

[hung]

OK. Got it this morning.
More later.

[hung]

PRELIMINARY 1

First, I really wish the device had arrived prior to the weekend when I went to my friend's place out of state. But if the PDC 210 rocked, this one model theoretically would surpass it. Well... I'm not there anymore, so you just can't get what you want all the time...

The FG80 arrived this morning and the first thing I noticed when I unwrapped the package is that it feels slightly lighter than the PDC 210. Good, because for long sessions, it will be less fatiguing.

I has only one knob. A numbered pot in which you can lock the best setting through a switch.

In the afternnon I had a little spare time and performed initial tests. The manual says to simply turn the knob up until beeps are heard, then you go back one turn or more (based on the numbers gauge). Unlike the PDC in which you fine tune two knobs and if you exaggerate you hear an ocasional beep, in the case of the FG80, no beep is heard after calibration, which you do aiming the antenna perpendicular to ground. Also there's an infrared sensor at the top of the 'black nose', quoting Esteban..

I imediately headed to the beach for a quick check on how it would react at the two targets I have here at sea. Probably shipwrecks. When I pointed the device, no beep was heard. Then I kept increasing sensibility till it beeped distinguishly. And I'll tell you.. Unlike the PDC which used to give an ocasional beep in that direction, the FG beeped loudly and when precisely over the target I believe, the beep turned into a continuous sound. Yeah, scream baby!
Being seasoned to the PDC, and as no beep was heard following the manual's recomended calibration, I ramdonly calibrated it until I had the result expected.
Since this new model circuitry works in the edge depending on the humidity rate, mine here is currently around 55 to 60%, I believe the distance was too far for a standard calibration, so when I decided to increase the sensibility on my own, I got the beeps. The manual says the best possible range is achieved in humidities lower than 30%, so as I am almost 100% higher in humidity, the detection power was more than fair, specialy because the PDC gave me 2 targets. But the FG clearly gave me a third one which the PDC might have missed. Don't know for sure yet.
Probably if it is truly a shpwreck, then the gold must have spread in the sea floor along the decades.
One thing I noticed tough is that if you increase too much the sensibility and you happen to hit a target, the detector being so sensitive, may trigger the signal somehow to a point where the beeps turn constant and you really have to decrease the knob in several turns..

As I had not much time, I did not did a search at the beach yet to see if I find something. I headed back home and tried its ability to beep at gold in air.
I used my wedding ring for this. Once more, it feels like you are tuning a radio, for best calibration. In my case, I increased fine tuning to a point where I could pick up the ring in several distances. Being from milimeters away from the nose to a max of 10 feet. Could be more distant tough, but I had to recalibrate it several times to get it.
One point to mention. It's not all the time the ring is sensed. Sometimes yes, sometimes not. Since my humidity is a little high, I believe it's got to do with it. So if the ring is not sensed at one particular instant, no big deal, the fine tuning vary according to your objective.
Next time I will do a search in the beach and see how it goes.
Well that's all for now.
Be back maybe in a couple of days.

[michael]

Hi Hung. Thank you for your efforts. By here is good news.
1- Before every thing please give info of how is pinpointing & depth determining mechanism?(without center & deep)
2- How was it's stability and sensitivity in comparison with PDC210? Didn't get any superfluous signal when increased sens. and moved device?
What was the distance with FG80 and PDC210 for the places you guess have object?
3- If had time, Would you please make all my offered test points? how are you serious in this case?
4- won't you dig those places got signal? I think it's best time to find out what have you done and compare with PDC210 from any aspect( size , depth and point of target).

[hung]

Hi Hung. Thank you for your efforts. By here is good news.
1- Before every thing please give info of how is pinpointing & depth determining mechanism?(without center & deep)

Actually you still can use the 'center&deep' if you like. You use it in the regular way (see site) or you may only use the detector. In this case once you find a target, the auto trigger mechanism will emit a constant beep, then you decrease tuning until you only get a beep (pinpointing) until you end up pointing to ground. Once you determine te center, simply mark the spot and positioning the detector in a 45 degree angle pointing to the spot and walk back until you hear a beep. The distance walked is the depth (Bishop's rule).

2- How was it's stability and sensitivity in comparison with PDC210? Didn't get any superfluous signal when increased sens. and moved device?

To answer that question correctly and precisely I need to get my PDC which I left in my 'summer' house. As I told, I have detected already 2 targets in the ocean with the PDC, but only in certain ocasions due to distance I think.
Yesterday I had to increase sensibility to have the FG80 picking it up. I will compare both this next week. But so far, the FG80 is much more sensitive than the PDC as I could notice. But again allow me more time to go out with it to check stability and sensitiivty. Having both detectors with me at the same time, I will clearly check differences.

What was the distance with FG80 and PDC210 for the places you guess have object?

Still can't answer that until I pick the PDC up. But as I already told, prior to Paulinho (Mineoro) send me the detector , he tested comparing to the PDC and while this one was only picking up the target exactly over it, the FG 80 was easily getting it at 12 feet away.
Humidity in Garopaba right now is really high . About 85%. Here in Rio luckily, I currently have 55%, real low for Rio standards, but not enough yet to pick the ring in air regularly...

3- If had time, Would you please make all my offered test points? how are you serious in this case?

Number them again please.

4- won't you dig those places got signal? I think it's best time to find out what have you done and compare with PDC210 from any aspect( size , depth and point of target).

Michael, the only significant difference among them would be the power of distant detection. Regarding the depth precision, they are all the same. Precise and millimetrically correct.

[hung]

Also I had a long talk with Damasio today.
The man is so passionate for his detectors that while we were exchanging calibration settings, he had a beeping FG80 at his side on the phone to simulate what I was telling him..
He plans to post in Mineoro's site soon the new pictures of findings made with the FG series.
I hope to be included on this 'extravaganza'..
And as with the PDC... If it's there, I'll will detect.

[michael]

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3- If had time, Would you please make all my offered test points? how are you serious in this case?

Number them again please.

Hung, Of course you are professional, know these and no need to remember them.It's only a suggestion and am sure you will forgive my impudence with your greatness.
With hope for full and great success for you.

1- Make test for air and buried different size of fresh targets and make a comparison list.
2- Evaluate the pinpointing accuracy and precision for a medium size deep buried target.
3- If can detect gold when is near iron or any other metal.
4- If can detect gold near dense minerals ( like as inside a chalk pack or a mix of chalk 50%+ clay 40% + sand 10%; dry or wet).
5- If can detect gold inside or near a mass of charcoal.
6- If can detect gold When put a medium size gold in a thick ceramic vase(in air or soil) ?
*my purpose of medoum size is a 30-50 gram gold plate.
Thank you very much.

[hung]

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1- Make test for air and buried different size of fresh targets and make a comparison list.

Alright, let's try to evolve on your essays here.
You are citing 2 different targets. One fresh and another long time buried.
As I said, my hiumidity here is considered high, since I live in the beach area.
So, my research on determining the results for a fresh target is in relative prejudice right now. I would need to go to a place with a much lower humidity. So for now, I'll leave this particular subject on fresh targets to some pople who ordered the detector and live in such a low humidity.

Regarding your different size objects. If you have a large buried treasure, the FG behaves differently and better than the PDC for this. In case of PDC, you will get a beep from the distance it happens to first detect it. Depending on size of object or mass, it can be from several feet to hundreds or even thousands of feet away. Since as you know every buried object has an intense electric field around it, at some point, you wil find yourself inside this field and the PDC will beep in all directions. You would have to lower the sensitivity in order to determine the center. But this would bring a problem. First, if the target is too large, even if you lower to minimum calibration, the beeps would be sporadically and you could not determine the center. A workaround for this would employing a 1 or 2 kv generator and leaving it on for a while to decrease the field. In case of a smaller object, you could simply vanish the beeps once you decreased sens. Note this is only a conjecture and not a rule. It may or may not happen and your mileage may vary.

In the case with the FG80, This does not happen. It works on a different principle, which I won't talk about here. Once it detects a target, and this can be far more distant than the PDC, it will shoot a beep which will trigger constant when you hit the center of source of the emanating target. Then you walk towards it, having your hand on the knob to decrease it accordingly until you hit the target spot with no pbolems of loosing sens. The FG80 has a multiturn pot which allows dozens of turns and still keep the track on the target.

2- Evaluate the pinpointing accuracy and precision for a medium size deep buried target.

According to my explanation above, this will be no problem at all. But I'll do it for sure.

3- If can detect gold when is near iron or any other metal.

The only case in which the ionic detectors wil most probably not detect gold is when the gold itself be inside a metal box, which would not allow ions propagation when degenearating. Of course it depends on the decomposing state of the metal box.
Again, although this appears logic, I would not surprise myself if I could detect in such conditions. Damasio told me a few things in the past about the PDC's limitations which proved not to be limitations at all when we (me and my friend) went out this weekend in his mining region.
Guess this is a classic example of the creature surprising the creator...

4- If can detect gold near dense minerals ( like as inside a chalk pack or a mix of chalk 50%+ clay 40% + sand 10%; dry or wet).

You refer to a mineralized soil.This question will only be answered when this actually happens and we dig the place to check the soil. Until I meet those conditions, I can't say much.
My guess is that alhtough those kind of soils can emit electric charges to an extent and make a detector like the PDC beep once a while, the FG 80 is less prone to this (I tested it near electric power lines). Besides a target buried in these conditions wiould emit a much greater electric field and would easily be detectable. Remember... The detector only detects gold. It's 'programed' to gold ions.

5- If can detect gold inside or near a mass of charcoal.

No problem. But again, to prove this , a condition like that should be found in the field.

6- If can detect gold When put a medium size gold in a thick ceramic vase(in air or soil) ?

Absolutely. This has happened with the PDC itself dozens of times. No problem at all. The only issue as I said, would be inside a metal box.
But.. who knows?

*my purpose of medoum size is a 30-50 gram gold plate.
Thank you very much.

In the FG80's front panel, you can read.. 'detects 5 gram micironuggets'... So... Be my guest.

[robert]

How many lies????


Haow many more lies from you Hung!?????
Why dont you tell to people here what is your salary at mineoro!?
Stop spreading lies and nonsence advertisments here!
Drop dead!

[michael]

Dear Hung, thank you, thank you, thank you very much for doing favor to answer.
It seems I should have explained better and clearly about my purposes.
_ When I mention buried target is just for fresh target not old. If detects even from 10 Cm is passed.
_ In numbers 4 & 5 I meant making the test artificially not to waiting for actual happening.(of course if be possible)
_ In number 3 is not necessary be sealed in a metal container. be near or beside other metals especially iron and copper and this
can be done in air test when you hold gold beside other metal, when detects(even from 10 cm) is passed, now if can bury what
a better. As here some gold treasures had been placed in copper or iron pot with open mouth (some of our ancient maps
declares this) this is important for us.
Anyway as I trust you like Esteban (beloved sincere SA people),am eagerly and so much impatiently wait for your results.

[sony]

Do not hide your habits ...


Michael: " Dear Hung , suck...suck....suck...suck...!!!"

Keep it that way! Good job!

I hope those mineoro masters are awared of your hard labour here...

[hung]

Dear Hung, thank you, thank you, thank you very much for doing favor to answer.
It seems I should have explained better and clearly about my purposes.
_ When I mention buried target is just for fresh target not old. If detects even from 10 Cm is passed.
_ In numbers 4 & 5 I meant making the test artificially not to waiting for actual happening.(of course if be possible)
_ In number 3 is not necessary be sealed in a metal container. be near or beside other metals especially iron and copper and this
can be done in air test when you hold gold beside other metal, when detects(even from 10 cm) is passed, now if can bury what
a better. As here some gold treasures had been placed in copper or iron pot with open mouth (some of our ancient maps
declares this) this is important for us.
Anyway as I trust you like Esteban (beloved sincere SA people),am eagerly and so much impatiently wait for your results.

Hi Michael,

OK, Now I understand your points.
Will perform those tests when I can.
The FG80 apparently allows fresh gold testing inside my own house.
Last night (I mean NIGHT, not day), I turned it on in a lower sensitivity and let it rest over a table. It seems it needs some time to sense the fields around it, I don't know for sure, but in about 2 to 3 minutes it beeped at my ring which I was waving about 3 foot away. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes not. Damasio 'joking' at me said it's like the human nervous system, sometimes when you are altered you change your voice tone and even your heart pace, and when you get calm the opposite happens...

The bad news is that rain began last night. It's a drag because I planed to visit some sites around here. I'll have to be patient now and wait for the sun come back again. But as I am a bit stubborn, I will keep testings even with rain. Just to check the differences in a sunny day.
According to my sources, the FG80 is the best detector so far Mineoro has produced. I will try to corroborate that since I love my PDC 210. But so far, despite being not able to start my field tests, only thoroughly exams and pre testing it also, the chances of this one turning to be my number 1 favorite looks promising.

PS. Just to clarify.
I don't work for Mineoro nor receive any money from it. I have friends there, I love the detectors and admire the extraordinaire pieces of equipment Mineoro produces.

[sony]

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