Mineoro FG80

[michael]

Again thank you Hung. anyway I impatiently wait for your complementary tests, especially including my points.

[robert]

Where is Caarlo!?


Carlo oh Carlito!!!
Where are you to erase those "sucks...". Please muchacho Carlito do that!
Save us from rude Sony and rude Robert....Ohhhh!
Hac,hac,hac,hac...
Carlito help us!

[robert]

A lot of kisses !!!


A lot of kisses dear friend ! Flowers around....flowers around....
Soft, nice easy....
polite,polite.....
SINCE CARL DID NOT READ MY LAST POST - JUST DELETED IT WITHOUT ANY INTEREST FIRST
TO READ IT...I AM REPEATING IT AGAIN:
Just to remind present people here:
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Hung to Esteban : "...Esteban, don' let tis guy take your time. Leave him talking alone.."
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Well,well ...!??? I do not remember, that, me or Esteban mentioned your name or anything
connected to you Hung.....Correct me if i am wrong.
We were discussing some Esteban's claims and i was very ready to calm down my tone and
start a sort of dialogue with him, cose he looks like a man with who man can talk even
if not agree in many points.
Esteban showed some respectfull character here on this forum....
I was ready to discuss more deeper any of aspects of his ideas and claims.
To tell the truth i was(and still i am) very interested about some of Esteban's experiments,
claims and opinions.
I am EE and profesional, i do rank my self very high, i am not false modest, i am not
hypocrite to think about myself high but at the same time present myself very modest here...
Esteban is not EE....so what? I do not mind.... All of his previous posts showed me his
great dedication to this md subject. I was ready to argue with him(polite), exchange some
knowledge etc...
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But all of the sudden you showed, unbidden, unnasked with a brilliant sentence:
"...Leave him talking alone...."
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Bravo Hung! Very easy you trampled over my effort to make at least some comunication
with Esteban...!!!????
That is this Forum for! To comunicate,cooperate....exchange....Even between people with
very oposite opinions and attitudes....
But not for you! For you this forum has only one purpose: to advertise only one product,
to spit on others and from time to time to provoke everybody else who do not agree with
that....
I am sure that you gonna disregard my posts, and i am glad for that.Better to stay that way!
I am writting this for others to explain my behavior, language and attitude...
When you asked for trouble, be sure, you'll get it !!!
I do not feel any remorse. My reaction was very right! I can react even worse, But trust
me, you do not want that!
I deleted here some words .....
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Esteban we may continue or not...As you wish.. I have no hard feelings on you at all.
Your sketchy list of principles is interesting me. I would like you to go detailed and
explain some of your claims and ideas. You do not have to uncover your secrets but
just a bit to explain what you listed above....
I posted my critics on it, as it was - sketchy, in manner to provoke you to explain more.
If you feel angry and do not want to, than O.K. ...
"...Bla, bla, bla. Inflate texts!
Theory, theory, this is the reason why nothing work for you! All I said here about kinds
of detection, include FM radio, is true! This violates your academicism and diploma!
You fail because you pretend show small signal in a meter or ear sound as metal detector,
but this is so small, "a soft breeze", so you need to convert... Ok...."
My "inflated texts" are not empty retorics! You may check my claims any time....
Theory.......without theory the rest is "fog" walking or jump from a clif....
".....You fail..."
What makes you think that i failed ??? You do not know yet about my experiments on that
subject...??? Be pationed, talk, give and wait to take....
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The rest of people here can see and check every claims....This is very public, so if you do
not have anything "tactile" to say here.....well??? Disregarding is very weak weapon....
Somebody showed his illiteracy. He also showed will only to advertise and provoke....
Esteban it is your turn now to make difference ...

I DELETED A FEW WORDS FROM THIS POST....O.K. CARL YOU CAN ERASE ALL... BUT FIRST READ AND
TRY TO UNDERSTAND BACKUP OF THAT - THAN ERASE....
OTHERWISE....!!!!????

[Jim]

This is a very interesting report/review. So far, in all appearances, it seems as if the $49 detector that can be bought at Wal*Mart will out perform this unit.

Please continue with your report/review and post some pictures when you can.

HH, Jim

[robert]

Strange !!!???

Strange i can not log out from here !!!???? SOmebody is trying to trace me and mine ipp...!??? Ha,ha,ha.....

[hung]

This is a very interesting report/review. So far, in all appearances, it seems as if the $49 detector that can be bought at Wal*Mart will out perform this unit.

Please continue with your report/review and post some pictures when you can.

HH, Jim

Jim,

This is not a regular proximity or electrostatic field detector. This is an ionic field detector which detects specifically gold although some elements of the above fields mentioned are present.
Be careful, quick conclusions may lead to incorrect diagnostics.

[Jonas]

ions detector system for vacuum

ions detector system for vacuum
http://www.amptek.com/md501.html

[Jim]

Jim,

This is not a regular proximity or electrostatic field detector. This is an ionic field detector which detects specifically gold although some elements of the above fields mentioned are present.
Be careful, quick conclusions may lead to incorrect diagnostics.

That is why I said “so far”. You must have assumed that was my conclusion. Nevertheless, at this point, the $49 Wal*Mart detector still seems more feasible, as it does not care if it is day, night, hot or humid.

Good luck with it, Jim

[hung]

That is why I said “so far”. You must have assumed that was my conclusion. Nevertheless, at this point, the $49 Wal*Mart detector still seems more feasible, as it does not care if it is day, night, hot or humid.

Good luck with it, Jim

I still assume what I said.
Last test I made was placing the FG inside a closet (4 X 13 feet) with a installed deshumidifier, in order to try to recreate a low humidity real environment condition, which is needed for the FG 80 to detect 'fresh' gold.

Unfortunately I still don't have a digital hygrometer wich I have already ordered. This is a must for any researcher who decides to get this detector, as humidity conditions can change dramatically in the field and the researcher will promptly be aware of the detecting conditions. The best is the digital model. Don't get the mechanical one which is prone to misgaugings and several inconsistencies due to light transport bumps.

Back to the test.
Raining outside. So inside my 'artificial' environment, conditions are a whole lot better. And as I thought, I could fully corroborate Mineoro's claim about the humidity factor. My gold ring was picked up from about 5 foot easily and consistently.

Before the 'experts' here try to 'imagine' this was done through a simple electrostatic phenomena which the field can be detected by a cheap and simple device, let me add that IT ONLY BEEPED WHEN THE RING WAS IN MY HAND AND IT GOT PICKED BY THE INFRARED IN THE IONIC CHAMBER. Once I discarded the ring and waved my empty hand in front of the antenna, NO BEEPS WERE HEARD.
ONLY GOLD IS ACTUALLY DETECTED.

Does your 'walmart' detector does that?

[robert]

Real thing!


This will be serious post without any of "words" from my
very rich dictionary!
I am writing this for occasional visitors (very rare) here, NOT
for "natives" here, cose i do not want to argue any more on this
very nonsence subject....
BUT AS LONG AS THIS NONSENCE LAST...THAT LONG I'LL CONTRIBUTE HERE
WITH MY MODEST OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES....JUST TO HELP TO
NEWBIES AND VERY RARE VISITORS HERE!!! IT IS MY DEMOCRATIC RIGHT!
AINT NO CARL, CAN DELETE THIS!!!
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"This is not a regular proximity or electrostatic field detector.
This is an ionic field detector which detects specifically gold
although some elements of the above fields mentioned are present..."
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Gold (Au) does not produce ions...this is fact!!!
Even proximity or electrostatic field detector can NOT (impossible)
DETECT ANY KIND OF GOLD.......this is fact !!!
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"...Be careful, quick conclusions may lead to incorrect diagnostics.."
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Conclusions made after weeks of experimenting with a few mineoro
top models are not QUICK !!!
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"...low humidity real environment condition, which is needed for
the FG 80 to detect 'fresh' gold...."
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Real environment conditions are NOT LOW HUMIDITY !!! AND :
the FG 80 CAN NOT detect 'fresh' gold or any kind of gold...FACT !!!
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"This is a must for any researcher who decides to get this detector,
as humidity conditions can change dramatically in the field and the
researcher will promptly be aware of the detecting conditions. The
best is the digital model. Don't get the mechanical one which is prone
to misgaugings and several inconsistencies due to light transport bumps."
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I am very lured to use some of "words" on this...but i will not!
So many craps in a few sentences !!!?????
Somebody once said that mineoro acts like "Tribal Quack" !!!
How true it is! You have to fulfill so many conditions to make it "work"...
ts,ts,ts,ts....even if fulfill all of those it still NOT WORKING, it
still RANDOM BEEPS ! This is fact!!!
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"...Mineoro's claim about the humidity factor..."
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Mineoro have million claims about infinite number of factors so they can
always have good reason why their machine NOT WORKING AT ALL !!!!
This open so many excuses against customer apeals later !!!
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"...My gold ring was picked up from about 5 foot easily and consistently..."
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And my gold ring (11g..999) was picked up from 8 foot easily and consistently
with FG78....Later i repeated with cola can, some iron, glass of water,soldering
iron( off and on)....and empty hand too. When no object or hands at all...again
random BEEPs from time to time !!!! No rule! I found out that FG78 picked up all
present FM radio signals.....When went deep in mountains where supposed to be
a lack of any hum and industrial signals, it BEEPS rarely in any direction....
again no rule....random!!! Also picked up strong FM radio again....
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"...AND IT GOT PICKED BY THE INFRARED IN THE IONIC CHAMBER..."
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WHATTTTT !!!??? HA,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!!! Again ionic chamber but now it is
with some INFRARED !!!????? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha..!!!!!!!!!
Ionic chamber OYE ! Ionic chamber all the time, oye,oye !!!
Muchos ionicos chamberos segnor...oye,oye!!!
THERE IS NOT ANY IONIC CHAMBER IN IT !!!! Either missinformation either wrong
understanding of terms and English language !?
Infrared !????? What is infrared in or about it???
I disected few models so far....nothing ionic and nothing infrared in it !!!!!
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Epilogue
According to my modest(i am not honest here) knowledge i can presume what are
mineoro FG78 and FG80 and simillars....
Those machines are nothing more than mystified Zahori-look-like devices...
First Ivconic made Zahori, than i made it...than both of us took FG78 again
to test and disect it(first time we done that in february as i remember)...
Comparing FG78 with Zahori behavior, we dug conclusion that those are the very
same machines, only made different way!!!! I can even add that Zahori showed
much better and much reliable performances than FG78...
There are not random beeps at Zahori.It beeps only when AC e field is nearby.
Depending of power and radius of that field the distance is longer or shorter..
But FG78 showed much more instabillity and noticeable shorter range of detection!
Ivconic later added much better audio on Zahori, than performances became much
better...
I DO RECOMMEND EVERYBODY INTERESTED TO BUILD ZAHORI AND LATER TO EXPERIMENT WITH IT.
Trust me: What you gain with Zahori would be much better than what you suppose to
gain with any of mineoro model ever!!!
One more thing: Zahori will cost you aprox. $10 to $15 to build, but to buy
any mineoro......hell money!

Many Thanks to Esteban who persisted on Zahori subject such long time and to Ivconic
who added such rich and nice audio on it!!!
BE SMART! BE SCEPTIC! BE CLEVER! DO NOT BELEIVE IN EVERY"SWEET" CLAIM HERE!
DO NOT LET YOUR SWEET DREAMS LEAD YOU TO BUST!
Best regards!

[hung]

Only three points (well 2 actually, since it repeats itself) that I think is worth comenting on. Nothing more.

And my gold ring (11g..999) was picked up from 8 foot easily and consistently
with FG78....Later i repeated with cola can, some iron, glass of water,soldering
iron( off and on)....and empty hand too.

The first series of FG78s reported problems. If yours is not working, it must be faulty and more than likely one of them.

mineoro FG78 and FG80 and simillars....
Those machines are nothing more than mystified Zahori-look-like devices...

You don't know what you're talking about.

But FG78 showed much more instabillity and noticeable shorter range of detection!

Again, your detector is faulty.

[michael]

The first series of FG78s reported problems. If yours is not working, it must be faulty and more than likely one of them.

But dear Hung, this worried me. from this statement can be concluded FG78 had been released for Europe? the case you disapproved.!!!
This is questionable why did they released such faulty machines?
If it was so, how could make inference about FG80? Have they improved & advanced their controlling standards
so that what happened for FG78 not repeat again for FG80?
What's the guarantee the same case won't be repeated for FG80 like as FG78?
Have they reach to step be thoroughly sure all releasing FG80s are intact?
Regards.

[hung]

But dear Hung, this worried me. from this statement can be concluded FG78 had been released for Europe? the case you disapproved.!!!
This is questionable why did they released such faulty machines?
If it was so, how could make inference about FG80? Have they improved & advanced their controlling standards
so that what happened for FG78 not repeat again for FG80?

Some months ago I reported the case in which Damasio told me some ICs were being replaced due to their inconsistency. I believe when Mineoro acknowledged that, it was too late as one or two devices most likely had already been shipped. I believe it was hard for them to detect the problem as their ionic fields should have not been the best at that time. The ICs apparently did not meet the right specs.If they happened to measure them through the oscopes, my guess is that it appeared correct at first but did not maintain the correct values.
This is just a speculation on my part tough...
They quit shipping them until the ICs with the right specs were switched.
At almost the same time, Damasio and Alonso achieved automation and the DC 2008, FG79 and FG80 were born. So they decided those were the models to be shiped overseas and offered the FG78 only to Brazil's customers due to a native and better full support.

What's the guarantee the same case won't be repeated for FG80 like as FG78?

I can't answer that. But I'm sure if any problem arises they willl simply switch for a replacement model. Simple as that.
If the major automobile corporations have recalls from time to time for exchanging deffective equipment in their models, not a big deal this happening to Mineoro also. Not a worrying situation in my opinion..

[robert]

Big deal!

:confused:
Ido not know what i am talking....well. in case of FG80 it might be so...but in case of FG78 i do know very good what i am talking about...

Faulty machines, you said....which credit is that!? Mine,yours or moneoros???

Who took money for those machines? Me,you or mineoro???

Michael should be very worried if intend to buy some!

Hung, just make Zahori and test it....than we can talk!


About Zahori....you do not know what are you talking than!


Lets involve Estebans experience here....Come on Esteban, but be honest!

[sony]

Huuuuh!!!!


Robert,man...don' let this guy take your time. Leave him talking alone..