Misc Mineoro Banter

[Esteban]

Hi Hung

Thanks for the history. Very details. I love it.

I know the words of Mr. Baldwin to Mr. Garrett.

Garrett had much US$ for put in production the invention, pistol type RF. But Mr. John Baldwin at last moment don't wish to sell, and the business ends. Mr. John was partner in the invention.


Do you want some clues?

Yes, I want.

[Dell Winders]

Jim Mitchell, was a friend of mine. When Thomas Affalini, published that Jim's finds were found with the Electroscope, Jim sent a letter to Electroscope, and Lost Treasure magazine, emphatically denying that he had found anything with the Electroscope. A retraction or apology was never made,to my knowledge.

Jim Mitchell, was a real, true grit, Treasure Hunter. it was his life. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

That I would love to know as I have a 'wild guess' on it. Do you want some clues?

You don't need to guess. Carl funds Geotech from his own pocket.
You should be grateful.

[hung]

Do you want some clues?

Yes, I want.

First clue: Texas.

[hung]

You don't need to guess. Carl funds Geotech from his own pocket.

Yeah, right...

You should be grateful.

I am.

[Carl-NC]

When Thomas Affalini, published that Jim's finds were found with the Electroscope, Jim sent a letter to Electroscope, and Lost Treasure magazine, emphatically denying that he had found anything with the Electroscope. A retraction or apology was never made,to my knowledge.

This correlates to what I was told years ago in an email. I was also told the silver dollars were found with a metal detector, no mention of Mineoro. The email must be from my Compuserve days, and I no longer have it, nor can I remember who sent it.

There is still a problem with this issue. There is a photo of Jim Mitchell holding an Escope in one hand, and silver dollars in the other. If he did not genuinely find the silver dollars with the Escope, then there aren't many ethical reasons he would pose for this photo, and any other photos of him posing with an LRL cannot be trusted.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

So Mineoro DON'T USE THESE PHOTOS FOR ADVERTISEMENTS. Also, any type of article regarding Mr. Mitchell. Is this clear for you?

Uh... you guys are using the photos for advertising, right here on this forum, apparently with the knowledge & consent of Mineoro.

Carl and others: Do you want to investigate the several times manufacturers paid "treasure hunters" for to appears with a famous brand? Not cache found with machine, found accidentally!!!

Sure, give me some examples and I'll take a look.

Carl, a simple question: Do you think remote sensing for find metals is possible?

I have yet to see any LRL device work. That includes Mineoro.

Another: is Geotech site sponsored by brand(s)?

No. I pay 100% of the costs of running this site. The $25,000 prize is funded 100% by me. The 24 LRLs, roughly 100 metal detectors, and any other equipment I own, were paid for entirely by me.

The only advertising you will see on Geotech are complementary banners for the publishers who gave me permission to post copyrighted material.

- Carl

[hung]

Uh... you guys are using the photos for advertising, right here on this forum, apparently with the knowledge & consent of Mineoro.

1 - The only picture showing a Mineoro logo Esteban posted here is the one including Mr. Mitchell. And his intention was for record purposes. Most of the time he posts pictures of his team and their detectors made by him.

I myself, don't do advertisements. I discuss the LRL I happen to own.

2 - Mineoro is not aware of the 'advertisement' you talk about and don't care for it. Damasio never watched this forum. Maybe because I am a user and told him about the existence of this site he possibly MIGHT look at here a few times for now one... Who knows..

I have yet to see any LRL device work. That includes Mineoro.


No. I pay 100% of the costs of running this site. The $25,000 prize is funded 100% by me. The 24 LRLs, roughly 100 metal detectors, and any other equipment I own, were paid for entirely by me.

The only advertising you will see on Geotech are complementary banners for the publishers who gave me permission to post copyrighted material.

- Carl

The same way you seem to be skeptical about Mineoro I am totally skeptical at your claim regarding sponsors in your site.

Also your reports were made with the LRLs have the true intention of making believe they all don't work.
Although some of them might not, I am positive some might work. So the impression all LRLs don't work is CLEARLY a cult started by you to fit some kind of agenda which apparently has some reason to happen other than what it looks.

[Carl-NC]

The same way you seem to be skeptical about Mineoro I am totally skeptical at your claim regarding sponsors in your site.

You are free to believe what you want, and I encourage you to find and post evidence that I've accepted money from any sponsors, ever.

Also your reports were made with the LRLs have the true intention of making believe they all don't work.

I report what I find. If I find one that works, I'll report that.

Although some of them might not, I am positive some might work.

Can you name one?

So the impression all LRLs don't work is CLEARLY a cult started by you to fit some kind of agenda which apparently has some reason to happen other than what it looks.

All the manufacturers are well aware of my $25,000 prize. If any of the LRLs I've reported on Really Work, then someone should step up and take my money.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qiaozhi
You don't need to guess. Carl funds Geotech from his own pocket.


Yeah, right...

Quote:
You should be grateful.

I am.

How can you be grateful, when you don't believe the first statement?:confused:
Anyway, Carl has now told you ->

I pay 100% of the costs of running this site. The $25,000 prize is funded 100% by me. The 24 LRLs, roughly 100 metal detectors, and any other equipment I own, were paid for entirely by me.

The only advertising you will see on Geotech are complementary banners for the publishers who gave me permission to post copyrighted material.

[Kev]

This is nuts...

Hung said to Carl:
So the impression all LRLs don't work is CLEARLY a cult started by you to fit some kind of agenda which apparently has some reason to happen other than what it looks.[/quote]

Hung, anyone with a scant understanding of high school physics knows instinctively that the possibility of any hand held electronic device enabling a person to detect a cache of metal at any distance greater than a few feet is delusion.

I arrived at this conclusion myself many years ago without Carl's help, just by reading electroscope adds in magazines. I couldn't believe that 'people ' could sell this sort of rubbish in the US and get away with it. The US at that time seemed to be this gleaming model of civility somehow, perhaps I was only then just awakening to the reality of just how corrupt this world is, and the adage "a fool and his money are easily parted" had to come from somewhere.

If people would only realise they'd be better investing their money in a good piece of art, because in the end it will return a better investment than any LRL will. If you have to have some form of aid, all you really need is a random beeps generator, because if you go to enough likely places, and dig enough holes, the odds are that eventually "it will go beep" just at the right time to locate something of some sort.

You only need to step back (I mean Hung and Esteban) and just objectively look at your behaviour on this thread. It started as an examination of a Mineoro 210, and for some strange reason you start posting stuff about an obscure find with DCH85, or whatever that occurred over a quarter of a century ago, this is really weird.

I like others here are curious as to just what technology this Mineoro utilises if any, maybe the sensor is some form of flux measuring device making this a crude magnetometer, or something. I certainly hope it does do something , if only for the sakes of all those people who have folked out money, and lots of it to boot!
Even if it does do something more than random beeps, it's still not worth the exorbitant price Mineoro place on it, no way.

How's it going Alex?

That sensor wasn't booby trapped was it?

Kev.

[hung]

You are free to believe what you want, and I encourage you to find and post evidence that I've accepted money from any sponsors, ever.

I will. But I'm not saying receiving money from sponsors is bad. That's capitalism. But then there will always be interests into play.

I report what I find. If I find one that works, I'll report that.

I really doubt it. You made your reputation on this and the day it happens your cult is over.

All the manufacturers are well aware of my $25,000 prize. If any of the LRLs I've reported on Really Work, then someone should step up and take my money.

- Carl

I still insist this is only a marketing/propaganda strategy a 'la Randi' than a serious thing to be considered. I know about Kelly Brown's challenge and in my view you had agreed at first then as Mike claimed, you started to twist the rules, although you might state the opposite.
You have the right to allegate anything in your defense. I have the right to perceive things as happened and make my own conclusions.

I admire tough and thank you for providing a forum with a 'Remote Sensing' topic.
It's one of the few places we can discuss these things.
But you're aware that despite of this space exist to provide discussion on the subject, it's destined to miscredit, bashing, scamming, etc., when not from yourself, from other members based on your line of thought.
That's why Dell Winders frequently refers to 'skeptics cult agenda'. He's absolutely right.
Will it change anything? I don't think so. People who owns working LRLs will go on finding gold and people who never had one, will go on thinking it is a fraud and never get any or leaving his role of skeptics in forums like this one.
That's how things are. That's life. Some get it, some not.

PS. I believe Dell's devices might work, although I've never used one of them. Just by reading his concepts I agree.
I don't need to spot air to know it exists, but unfortunately many do.

[Kev]

Just like Santos Dumont invented the airplane, Damasio and Alonso invented the first true wroking long range locator.
I love those guys.

I seriously think you are the one that's in a cult, or is it the occult?

[Kev]

Alexismex are you OK?

Hey Alexismex,
Are you there?
The Brazilian mafias not got to I hope?
Even worse, Mineoro have not made an offer you can't refuse?
:confused:

[Carl-NC]

Hung, this is my last post on this topic. If this were a Mineoro-sponsored forum, you would not see any skeptical posts. If this were a Garrett-sponsored forum, you would not see any pro-LRL posts. How many of your posts have been deleted?

Despite my own skepticisms, I have tried to maintain a forum for completely open discussions on remote sensing. If it seems to be overly anti-LRL, that's because there are a lot of skeptics. But I still welcome the discussions, and have never ever censored anything pro-Mineoro.

Believe it or not, I will pay $25,000 for a demonstration of a working LRL. Your insistence that my challenge is a gimmick has become the default excuse for people who wish they could take my money, but know they cannot.

And, finally, you can believe Dell's devices might work, but I know they do not.

Now, on to the topic at hand... Alexismex, I hope you will continue with your investigation of the CDM210.

- Carl