Mineoro Challenge... maybe

[Carl-NC]

Well, there will be no problems anymore as I have gave you Damasio's email. Now you have direct contact with the man.

As I suspected would happen, my email was again returned... "Access Denied." Since Damasio's personal email uses the same "mineoro.com.br" server as the company email, it is useless to me.

Well, I'm not going to waste any more time trying to figure out how to get around their email bouncer. If Damasio wants to read my replies, he can read them right here on this forum. Of course, he can continue to send me emails, or he can just jump right on this forum, and save me the trouble of re-posting them.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

Carl, I'm just curious. How would using either fresh buried, or long time buried Gold, have any revelance to your dis-proving Mineoro's, claim of detecting Gold ions and electrostatic fields?

They claim to be able to detect "fresh gold". This makes it incredibly easy to test whether their LRL will detect gold using a known target. If it won't, then their technical claims are false.

- Carl

[hung]

FG80 FRESH GOLD

We'll use the gold bar, since this is what they claim.

I don't think you know what he means by Damasio & Alonso method of detection.

I own a FG80. It detects fresh gold. But special conditions have to be met. Humidities well lower than 50%. I already had the detector beep at my ring at over 10 feet, but I it's not consistent cause mu huidity here is almost all the time over 70%.
The rules mention 'according to the Damasio & Alonso method of research.
It's clear. Read all the explanation on their site about their method of research wich explains the phenomena and how this manifest.
The PDC210 and 205 for instance can't detect fresh gold as the FG80 can.
However even if the right conditions are met, fresh gold detection cannot compare to a long time buried target in terms of long range.
This is part of their discovery. LONG TIME BURIED GOLD PRODUCES AN IONIC FIELD WHICH IS PRONE BY DETECTION BY THE DAMASIO & ALONSO METHOD (MINEORO DETECTORS).

Despite of that I'm sure if conditions allow, we will be willing to demonstrate fresh gold detection with the FG80 and FG79.

[hung]

As I suspected would happen, my email was again returned... "Access Denied." Since Damasio's personal email uses the same "mineoro.com.br" server as the company email, it is useless to me.

- Carl

Sounds like an 'anti spam' working. They had problems with antispam in the past. I has happened to other people as well.
I'll report that to Damasio tough.
Don't start to make tricky conclusions leading to believe this is all fake. He himself told me to give his email to you. I'm sure he is not aware of what is happening.
Maybe he will send you an email and you just reply.

[Jim]

As I suspected would happen, my email was again returned... "Access Denied." Since Damasio's personal email uses the same "mineoro.com.br" server as the company email, it is useless to me.

Well, I'm not going to waste any more time trying to figure out how to get around their email bouncer. If Damasio wants to read my replies, he can read them right here on this forum. Of course, he can continue to send me emails, or he can just jump right on this forum, and save me the trouble of re-posting them.

- Carl

Call me madcap (or Quiz Man)….but, me thinks not only is your posts being read by Damismo, but they are also involved in the reply.

[okantex]

WHY NOBODY READ MY LAST MAİL

[okantex]

HUNG ,
FORGET İONİC PHENEMON.
ATOMS ARE MADE OF İONS.THAT İS OKAY.
NO PROBLEM.
BUT ,HAVE YOU EVER USED COATED (İNSULATED) COPPER WİRE
OR A WİRE COATED BY PLASTİC( WİTH PE,PP OR ELSE)
WE GENERALY USE İT İN DAYLY LİFE FOR ELECTRİC APPLİCATİONS.
WHEN YOU WİND TWO İSOLATED WİRE ,YOU CANNOT CAUSE SHORT CUT(SPARKS)
SO HOW WİLL YOUR GOLD İONS PASS THROUGH THAT RESİN FİLLED ANTENNA. CAN YOU EXPLAİN.?

[okantex]

AS CARL SAYS
"
But here's the odd part... they also tested the FG80 with AM signals from 80MHz to 1GHz. They reported that the FG80 is "extremely sensitive across the range of radiated RF interference." Now, you and Mineoro have claimed these devices work on ions, and NOT RF. Yet users report that the devices seem to just randomly beep, and this EMI test confirms that the FG80 will just sit there and beep in response to RF signals. This is also what I found when I dissected the PDC205... it was actually designed to respond to RF signals.
"
THİS DEVİCES ONLY DETECTS RF WAVES.
HOW?
READ MY FİRST MAİL ,THERE YOU WİLL SEE HOW İT WORKS?
WHERE İS DOMASİO FAULTY AT HİS THEORY.
ACCORDİNG TO HİS CHALLENGE,
""
WE WILL PAY US$ 50,000.00 (FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS) to whoever proves the directional detectors below:

• PDC 205;
• PDC 210;
• HC 300;
• DC 2008;
• FG 79; e,
• FG 80,
• IGD2005 (Ionic Electrostatic Inherent Gold Detector-just for gold)
• DIAS2005 (Ionic Electrostatic Inherent All Substances Detector)

Do not detect according theDamásio&Alonso © research method.

"
WHAT HE SAY?
PROVE THİS MODELS WORKS.
BUT İN DİFFERENT METOD.NOT İN DOMASİO'S.

İF YOU READ MY EXPLATİON.

SO ı DİD THİS.
TELL HİM TO SENT MY MONEY.
İF HE BELİEVES HİS MACHİNES WORK.HE HAVE TO SENT .
İF NOT TELL HİM TO STOP SELLİNG THİS UNİTS.

STORTLY THİS UNİTS ARE FİRST TUNED TO A FREQUENCY.THEN YUO REDUCE FREQUENCY A LİTTLE AND TRACE AREA FOR REFLECTİON OF FİRST TUNE FREQUENCY.
SAME AS ZAHORİ.
SAME AS EMFAD UG12
CAUSE OF ANTENNA DESİGN EMFAD RECİEVES FROM DOWN.BUT ZAHORİ AND MİNEORO AS LONG RANGE POİNTER.
WAİTİNG FOR YOUR REPLY.
DO NOT FORGET TO SENT COPY OF THİS MASSAGE TO DOMASİO
AND ADD MY BEST WİSHES.

[Jim]

Here We Go Again

HUNG ,
SO HOW WİLL YOUR GOLD İONS PASS THROUGH THAT RESİN FİLLED ANTENNA. CAN YOU EXPLAİN.?

The million-dollar question that has been asked many-a-time. The answer still eludes us, and the rest of the civilized world.

[hung]

HUNG ,
FORGET İONİC PHENEMON.
ATOMS ARE MADE OF İONS.THAT İS OKAY.
NO PROBLEM.
BUT ,HAVE YOU EVER USED COATED (İNSULATED) COPPER WİRE
OR A WİRE COATED BY PLASTİC( WİTH PE,PP OR ELSE)
WE GENERALY USE İT İN DAYLY LİFE FOR ELECTRİC APPLİCATİONS.
WHEN YOU WİND TWO İSOLATED WİRE ,YOU CANNOT CAUSE SHORT CUT(SPARKS)
SO HOW WİLL YOUR GOLD İONS PASS THROUGH THAT RESİN FİLLED ANTENNA. CAN YOU EXPLAİN.?

You have two options.
Either believe the inventors found something which is not currently known and accept it or you wait for the releasing of their discovery report in a near future in case the inventors decide to disclose this.
What Damasio tells me when I ask him recurring queries like yours above is:
'This kind of question relates to a conventional ions explanation. It cannot be explained using this kind of ions as methodology. There's much more than that as we found'.

[okantex]

domasio found nothing.
he just does experiments.
results are real facts.
but his theory is out of science.
that is what he believes,nothing else.
here I solve how it works.
If you read all my letters,you will see that
do you know chess
now I am playing to get his king.
and he is defendless against my attack.

AND every patent offeice can give you what you want.it is up to money.you know this better than me.if there is a real patent which hold scientific facts in hand.why they do not explain it to public.they have right to produce it with out dublication of others for years and take second right to produce again with this procedure.
while nobody can produce it ,they have notthing to afraid.

[okantex]

and sent all of my letters in this thread to him.
also emfad has patent and serious users .it is a real machine.
according to same theory their products must work.if they believe their products work.ESteban says this ,too.they know who is esteban .they must believe him ,too.
so I would like to count money.

[Carl-NC]

I don't think you know what he means by Damasio & Alonso method of detection.

One way to win the challenge, is to prove the devices do not detect gold at all. Then the "Damasio & Alonso method" is irrelevant.

I own a FG80. It detects fresh gold. But special conditions have to be met. Humidities well lower than 50%.

Good. We can do the test in an air-conditioned building, where the humidity is controlled.

- Carl

[okantex]

look at antennas
emfad uses selenoid winding
man in pic uses round winding
old mineoro uses rectangular winding
DCH85 uses round a little bit selonoid like round winding.
,SO ALL OF THEM USE DİRECTİONAL ANTENNAS.
NOTHİNG ELSE.
THEY ALL ARE JUST DİRCTİONAL RECİEVERS WORK İN SAME MANNER.

[Carl-NC]

okantex,

Proving the Mineoro devices respond to RF signals does not satisfy their "challenge." Their challenge was to "prove the directional detectors below...do not detect according the Damásio&Alonso © research method." Just because the devices respond to RF (which we have proven, and Hung's report verifies) does not necessarily prove they won't respond to something else.

The challenge is actually very vague. First, notice they say,

"prove the directional detectors below..."

They did not say,

"prove that any of the directional detectors below..."

What this means is that you would have to prove that ALL of the listed detectors DO NOT operate by some claimed method.

Second, you would have to prove they do not detect according to the "Damásio&Alonso © research method." First of all, a "research method" is a method of conducting research. How research is conducted plays no role whatsoever in how things actually work, so this makes no sense. Next, notice that "Damásio&Alonso" is one word, which means that it is an identifier for "something." That "something" has not been described, so right now, there is no way to prove their detectors don't work according to the "Damásio&Alonso...method".

Finally, they ask you to prove their devices "do not detect." They do not ask you to prove their devices "do not detect gold." This is a critical point. We already know their devices detect RF signals. We even know their devices detect 8kV zaps from an ESD gun. So as it is stated, their challenge is already impossible to win.

My request for clarification on these points has been met with silence.

Now, assuming that what they really meant to say is,

"prove that any of the directional detectors below...do not detect gold according the theory of ionic field detection"

then this would be a winable challenge. One way is to prove that buried gold does not produce ions. Another is to gut the device and show there is no ion detecting method inside. But the easiest way to win, is to test a device that claims to detect "fresh gold"... if the device cannot detect the gold, then that is inclusive of "not detecting the gold according to the theory of ionic field detection." Challenge won.

- Carl