Carl,check this out

[Seden]

I was reading over this patent I've had and was amazed at the similarity to what the 2 Inventors in South America are claiming. The number is:4,507,611 and basically it involves utilizing the ionic field from the solar winds to locate buried objects by amplitude,Frequency and frequency modulation of the object. I'm not saying these 2 Gentlemen stole this guy's patent, maybe I should say great minds run on the same channel. After you have had a chance to read and digest this, I would like to hear your take on this guy's idea.

Randy

[michael]

Interesting, amazing and noticeable. What do tell skeptics?
Seden, Can you give an address to refer us there or put additional info?

[okantex]

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5148110.pdf

may be a clue could be found .

[Esteban]

Randy, good info, thanks. Alonso and Damásio work in it for decades. Yes, they don't see this patent, the patent is "new".

[Qiaozhi]

Randy, good info, thanks. Alonso and Damásio work in it for decades. Yes, they don't see this patent, the patent is "new".

This is not a "new" patent. It was published on 15th September 1992 - 14 years ago.
Thanks Seden for posting this.

[Qiaozhi]

OK - I've very quickly scanned this patent, and it looks an application of magnetotullerics. This has nothing to do with detecting longtime buried gold using ions. Unless anyone would like to differ.

[Esteban]

This is not a "new" patent. It was published on 15th September 1992 - 14 years ago.
Thanks Seden for posting this.

Yes, for me and the two inventors is new. Alonso start in long distance detection in 1959.

[Esteban]

Here the patent 4,507,711

I was reading over this patent I've had and was amazed at the similarity to what the 2 Inventors in South America are claiming. The number is:4,507,611 and basically it involves utilizing the ionic field from the solar winds to locate buried objects by amplitude,Frequency and frequency modulation of the object. I'm not saying these 2 Gentlemen stole this guy's patent, maybe I should say great minds run on the same channel. After you have had a chance to read and digest this, I would like to hear your take on this guy's idea.

Randy

Also this is "new" (1985).

[Qiaozhi]

I was reading over this patent I've had and was amazed at the similarity to what the 2 Inventors in South America are claiming. The number is:4,507,611 and basically it involves utilizing the ionic field from the solar winds to locate buried objects by amplitude,Frequency and frequency modulation of the object. I'm not saying these 2 Gentlemen stole this guy's patent, maybe I should say great minds run on the same channel. After you have had a chance to read and digest this, I would like to hear your take on this guy's idea.

Randy

Also this is "new" (1985).

As I said before, this is based on the measurement of telluric currents, and has nothing to do with detecting gold ions emitted by longtime buried gold (which incidently do not exist).

[Esteban]

As I said before, this is based on the measurement of telluric currents, and has nothing to do with detecting gold ions emitted by longtime buried gold (which incidently do not exist).

Are you sure? Also, remember my subtitle "The Sun involved" and you reply with a photo of rainbow.

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?p=45699#post45699

[Qiaozhi]

As I said before, this is based on the measurement of telluric currents, and has nothing to do with detecting gold ions emitted by longtime buried gold (which incidently do not exist).

Are you sure? Also, remember my subtitle "The Sun involved" and you reply with a photo of rainbow.

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...5699#post45699

This patent describes a method of detecting subterranean anomalies by monitoring the atmospheric electrostatic potential gradient. There is no mention of ions generated by longtime buried gold, which is the claimed basis of operation for the Mineoro ionic detector.

[Esteban]

But, of course, and this is merit of the both inventors! Repeat: buried good conductive metals buried for long time generated an ionic-electric field detectable for sensitive devices. This patent refers electric leakage, so gold can have leakage, or not?

As I ever said we are move in equilibrate environment an any umbalance of charges in this environment can be detectable. Justly, metal buried for long time causes umbalance of charges in the area, detectable by sensitive instruments. Be sure adjust your detector out this areas under suspicion there are treasure. So, the difference is the umbalance.

[okantex]

Hi Esteban And Qiaozhi,
please help me with this
it is an experiment time.
let thinkk that we have two special isolated rooms

1. ) first room ,we fill inside with + ions then insert a long bar magnet inside.

2.) second room,we fill inside with - ions than insert a long bar magnet inside

please explain what will happen.
your answers also will answer your problem in mineoro or zahori concept.

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Esteban And Qiaozhi,
please help me with this
it is an experiment time.
let thinkk that we have two special isolated rooms

1. ) first room ,we fill inside with + ions then insert a long bar magnet inside.

2.) second room,we fill inside with - ions than insert a long bar magnet inside

please explain what will happen.
your answers also will answer your problem in mineoro or zahori concept.

Answer - "nothing". You'll just have two rooms full of ions - one positive and the other negative.

[Carl-NC]

OK, I finally got a chance to read through this patent. First, the patent describes an alleged scientific phenomenon, and there is no mention of an invention. It would be like Einstein trying to get a patent on relativity. So this patent is not really a patent.

Helms does have two other patents... 4825165 and 5148110. I haven't read through these yet, but the latter appears to have more useful information.

Second, after reading the whole patent I agree with Qiaozhi... this appears to be a variation of telluric current techniques, though Helms says it is different. It is not a case of buried objects emitting ions, or of detecting ionic fields.

Third, I question some of the terminology and claims. "Vertical alternating electrical current" and "solar alternating current" are used quite often in the patent, yet these terms can't be found outside of Helms' patents. Also, Helms mentions that a steel sphere can "modulate" nearby electric currents... modulation requires a nonlinear interface, which a stationary steel sphere won't have.

Interestingly, "Ronald Helms" seems to be completely invisible outside of these 3 patents. He does not show up as a published author anywhere else. The address on the patent is for a medical building.

- Carl