Carl,check this out

[okantex]

Qiaozhi
when you pass elctrons through a wire ,you get magnetic field around it.is this okay.
so think reverse when you form a round magnetic field you get ions gethered around it.
is this imposibble

[Qiaozhi]

Qiaozhi
when you pass elctrons through a wire ,you get magnetic field around it.is this okay.
so think reverse when you form a round magnetic field you get ions gethered around it.
is this imposibble

Hi okantex,
I suspect you are thinking about mass spectroscopy, in which moving charged particles are deflected by a magnetic field. However, in the case you describe, the ions (charged particles) will not be attracted to the poles of the magnet. Ions are attracted to other (oppositely charged) ions.
Also it is worth noting that the force exerted on a moving charged particle is perpendicular to the path of the particle. For the particle to be attracted to a bar magnet, the force would need to be in parallel with the direction of motion.
So - as I said before - nothing will happen.

[okantex]

Qiaozhi
you are right .I could not tell what I thought.
think like this.
when you drive electron through wire you have magnetic force.according to right hand theory it forms circular path around wire.
now for a while think that we change places of electrons and magnetic force.
can magnetic force collect electrons or protons around it

[Esteban]

One more time: yes, emits!

And more: the techonology is used for others! Part of the page (scientific page) said:

Mobile Metal Ions is a term used to describe ions which have moved in the weathering zone and that are only weakly or loosely attached to surface soil particles. It is a widely held belief that these Mobile Metal Ions are transported from deeply-buried ore bodies to the surface. Scientists from around the world have been studying this phenomenon for many years.
No-one is completely clear on exactly how the metal ions migrate to the surface.


... Because the ions have recently arrived to the surface they provide a precise ‘signal’ on where the ore-bodies are.

* * * * *

The red letters are mine. In the same way, the metal of a treasure can emit mobile ions to the surface.

Here the link:

http://www.sciencewa.net.au/science_rd.asp?pg=111

So, the rest of the job is yours: classify the ions.

[Qiaozhi]

And more: the techonology is used for others! Part of the page (scientific page) said:

Mobile Metal Ions is a term used to describe ions which have moved in the weathering zone and that are only weakly or loosely attached to surface soil particles. It is a widely held belief that these Mobile Metal Ions are transported from deeply-buried ore bodies to the surface. Scientists from around the world have been studying this phenomenon for many years.
No-one is completely clear on exactly how the metal ions migrate to the surface.


... Because the ions have recently arrived to the surface they provide a precise ‘signal’ on where the ore-bodies are.

* * * * *

The red letters are mine. In the same way, the metal of a treasure can emit mobile ions to the surface.

Here the link:

http://www.sciencewa.net.au/science_rd.asp?pg=111

So, the rest of the job is yours: classify the ions.

For some reason you have posted this twice. :confused:
Please see my reply to your other posting.

[Qiaozhi]

Qiaozhi
you are right .I could not tell what I thought.
think like this.
when you drive electron through wire you have magnetic force.according to right hand theory it forms circular path around wire.
now for a while think that we change places of electrons and magnetic force.
can magnetic force collect electrons or protons around it

You need a flow of electrons (current) to generate a magnetic field (as you have correctly stated). But - to reverse things - you also need a changing magnetic field to create a movement of electrons. A permanent magnet has a static (non-changing) magnetic field, so there will be no induced current, unless (of course) you physically move the magnet, which in turn creates a change of flux in any nearby metallic object.
Any interaction between charged particles and a magnetic field requires relative motion, which acts perpendicular to the direction of motion. The bottom line is that charged particles do not collect around the poles of a magnet.

[Esteban]

No necessary to floating, I never said these ions are floating. I said there are an electric difference in the soil capable to be detect. The company uses chemical method for to evaluate commercial possibilities. But you can use electronic methods.

In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.

This is the same opinion of Carl. The page don't specify about what kind of ions can migrates, but YOU know!!!!

Can you asure? Can you demonstrate? Can you show me a page wich demonstrates your aseveration? The theme is this: mobile metalic ions in the soil from depth. No more.

Yes, I post twice.

[goldfinder]

Answer to Okantex question regarding ions in rooms

Hi Esteban And Qiaozhi,
please help me with this
it is an experiment time.
let thinkk that we have two special isolated rooms

1. ) first room ,we fill inside with + ions then insert a long bar magnet inside.

2.) second room,we fill inside with - ions than insert a long bar magnet inside

please explain what will happen.
your answers also will answer your problem in mineoro or zahori concept.

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To answer your question - If the bar magnet is conductive and metalic and connects the two rooms it wiil conduct the negative ions to the positive ions in the form of an electric current between the two rooms. If the bar magnet is a non-conductive ceramic nothing will happen.
Goldfinder

[Qiaozhi]

This whole thread is a confusion of ideas between electrostatics and electromagnetism. Electrostatics concerns charged particles. For charged particles to be affected by a stationary magnetic field, the charged particles must be in motion. In this case, there is a rate-of-change of charge with time, which (of course) constitutes a current -> from I = dq/dt.
Even when there is an interaction, the force acting on this stream of particles is at 90 degrees to the direction of motion. i.e. the particles can only be deflected by the magnetic field. They will never collect at the poles of a magnet, which is the hypothesis being proposed here.
End of story.....

[okantex]

qiaozhi
can the part of magnetic field which I signed in circular area,collect + or - ions of air(oxygen ,...etc.)

[Carl-NC]

Haven't had much time to keep up with this... but Qiaozhi is right. A magnet does NOT attract ions to its poles. If it did, all of the magnets laying around would have a thick coating of ions on them. A magnetic field CAN deflect ions in motion... this is used in Ion Beam Depostion for thin-film products like hard disks.

[Elie]

Alonso start in long distance detection in 1959.

I would like to hear about this.

[Esteban]

At age 14... whit success. (Sorry, miracle is for believers!) Alonso was born June 15 1945.

I know details of first detection. From his patio, Alonso detect in direction of a church. With permission of the priest (catholic), they excavate in the site and found silver handles of coffins. In the past, the catholic christians was bury below floor of the churchs, in some countries.

But, in his childhood, Alonso was involved in other things, he built other kind of apparatus, motors, rockets, etc. At this time, Alonso was teach in electricity by an ex IWW German soldier, called Haber, he was an inventor. Haber was radiotechnician and invent a metal detector (during IWW) for unearth unexploded ordnances via low frequency induction (audio range) in the terrain with metalic stakes!

In some parts of his annotations I found dates from feb. 1958, this is the real year of starting in long range detection experiments.

But a man called Toto Coronel (in this time -1959-, 34 or 35 years old, today 80-81) insist in to build metal detector for long distance based on radio (they found some information about metal detection via radio). This information helps him, but isn't enough, regarding was difficult in the first moments classification of material. Alonso and Mr. Toto Coronel work in an idea wich works.This is the old detector, hand-drawing by Alonso (please, can't post other details, as schematic):

[Elie]

I wanted to hear about that guy because Carl wrote something about long range locator ads from 1973, but I guess that the racket is older than that.

[Carl-NC]

I wanted to hear about that guy because Carl wrote something about long range locator ads from 1973, but I guess that the racket is older than that.

Based on magazine ads (Old West, True West, various treasure titles) the earliest for-sale treasure-type LRL I've found is the Anderson rod from ~1973. I've been told that Anderson actually started ~1970. There may have been earlier marketed LRLs that I am unaware of.

- Carl