I now own a Mineoro FG80

[Qiaozhi]

So you are saying a detector which detects to the 'amazing' depth of 20cm and the range of maybe another 20cm for 3K is better deal than one which can penetrate more than 20 meters in the ground and reach miles in distance for 7K?

Wouldn't it be nice if this was true.
Pity it's only wishful thinking.

Frankly, skeptics' references sometimes can reach the stupidity realms.
No matter how many pictures are posted, how many cases are told, if only one single Mineoro owner drops by saying he did not suceed (yet) in finding gold with it, it's enough for skeptics of the hour start yelling it's all fraud. Jeez..

In Science when someone comes up with an idea, they carry out many experiments trying to prove it wrong, before publishing any information.
In Pseudoscience when someone comes up with an idea, they first publish the information, then search for evidence to support the idea, and in the meantime conveniently ignore negative results.
This is a common occurence with both dowsing and LRLs.
It is not the responsibility of the skeptics to prove that these devices do not work, but the job of the LRL and dowsing proponents to prove that they do.

Well then I have to advice my friend as soon as I can who a few weeks ago found another gold vein at 28 meters depth that will produce about 22g of gold per ton of rock and also quickly tell Crespin dos Santos who found nuggets and recently a vein of gold at a distance of 167 m inside a cavern to quit what they are doing with the FG80 and start to dig rings at the beach with this 20cm depth 'amazing' detector.
Sometime ago I told about a ring being found in a farm by Alonso and some friends employing a DC2008 and how happy the lady who was the owner became, giving a party for them.

Subjective evidence is not acceptable as proof.

[Carl-NC]

What I meant is that someone who buys this expensive detector wouldn't be looking for small itens when the big gold which is almost all the time out of the reach of conventional detectors are what they should seek.

Folks pay $3000 - $4000 on a regular basis for Minelab detectors, just so they can go out and detect tiny gold nuggets. So, yes, people do buy expensive detectors to locate small items. Also, in my area, there are probably no large treasures (if I ignore a couple of treasure myths), so lost rings are exactly what I would go after.

The PDCs, FGs, etc... sure can find small items but I admit in many circumstances it's hard to pinpoint the item.

In those Mineoro demonstrations, they had no trouble whatsoever.

So bear in mind. Unless you have the GIG on the detector, for detecting fresh gold items (in this case not much long range), chances are you will get beeps which is more than 10 years buried and probably deep enough

Classic LRL-speak... always have to get another upgrade in order to achieve what was claimed in the first place.

as the deeper it is, the stronger the signal.

This is a new claim. So do ions have trouble escaping shallow soil depths?

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

In Pseudoscience when someone comes up with an idea, they first publish the information, then search for evidence to support the idea, and in the meantime conveniently ignore negative results.
This is a common occurence with both dowsing and LRLs.

This simply is not true.

In Pseudoscience, when someone comes up with an idea, they sell products.

- Carl

[J_Player]

LRL entrepreneur method

In Pseudoscience, when someone comes up with an idea, they sell products.

Examples:
How can I sell these $5.99 surplus calculators? maybe if I attach a handle and a radio antenna, people will pay $799.00: http://www.rangertell.com/

How can I sell $100 surplus IR thermometers for $6000? Maybe if I say they are made in USA and modified with gold and cave sensors. http://www.knouzm.org/Text/115985885...96269140-1216/

If I glue a piezo buzzer to a soap box and include it with a pair of dowsing rods, maybe people will send $55: http://cgi.ebay.com/Colorado-Gold-St...ayphotohosting

If I add a waterproof electronic box to dowsing rods and an antenna, maybe people will send $2000: http://www.treasure-signs.com/lrl.html

[hung]

Folks pay $3000 - $4000 on a regular basis for Minelab detectors, just so they can go out and detect tiny gold nuggets. So, yes, people do buy expensive detectors to locate small items. Also, in my area, there are probably no large treasures (if I ignore a couple of treasure myths), so lost rings are exactly what I would go after.

Do Minelab detectors go deep say 2 m for a nugget? I don't think so.

In those Mineoro demonstrations, they had no trouble whatsoever.

I agree. In the beach I have never faced a situation like the video. But in mountains away from ocean I have. I think humidity plays a major role for small items with weak fields. Maybe a next generation detectors will deal with the beach issue.

Classic LRL-speak... always have to get another upgrade in order to achieve what was claimed in the first place.

I agree and think the advertising of fresh gold detection is a little exagerated, as for this to happen some peculiar conditions have to be met. I could get a ring from about 4 meters away once in a sunny and hot day, with a FG just like yours.
The GIG was added because of this. To make it happen on a more regular basis.

This is a new claim. So do ions have trouble escaping shallow soil depths?

- Carl

No, this is not a new claim. I have already talked about this in the past. Re-read some of my posts and you will find.
When a small object is buried close to the surface the propagation of the fields are dimished and the detector will only pick it up from a short distance, PROVIDED THE USUAL IONIC CONDITIONS ARE MET. What do I mean by usual ionic conditions? The normal conditions ionic fields emanate and the right periods of the day for this to happen.
This I can corroborate. I have a target here which marks ok. But from 12 noon til 14:30 in the afternoon, the signal disappears. Not even with edge calibration I pick it up. About 2:45 PM the signal starts to return.
This is the phenomena behaviour.

[hung]

Examples:
How can I sell these $5.99 surplus calculators? maybe if I attach a handle and a radio antenna, people will pay $799.00: http://www.rangertell.com/

How can I sell $100 surplus IR thermometers for $6000? Maybe if I say they are made in USA and modified with gold and cave sensors. http://www.knouzm.org/Text/115985885...96269140-1216/

If I glue a piezo buzzer to a soap box and include it with a pair of dowsing rods, maybe people will send $55: http://cgi.ebay.com/Colorado-Gold-St...ayphotohosting

If I add a waterproof electronic box to dowsing rods and an antenna, maybe people will send $2000: http://www.treasure-signs.com/lrl.html

Regarding the knouzm detector I still can't emit a final conclusion as I don't know if it was modified and if it dit to what extent.
The other cases are most radionic devices.
Now if you don't believe in radionics, that's another story.

[Qiaozhi]

This simply is not true.

In Pseudoscience, when someone comes up with an idea, they sell products.

- Carl

OK - I was slight wrong.

In Pseudoscience, when someone comes up with an idea, they sell products. Then Hung posts subjective evidence to support the idea.

[hung]

OK - I was slight wrong.

In Pseudoscience, when someone comes up with an idea, they sell products. Then Hung posts subjective evidence to support the idea.

You like child games don't you?
While you play, I keep getting the gold. Simple. No pain.

[J_Player]

MORE BS....

While you play, I keep getting the gold. Simple. No pain.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Sure you do. BS walks

[Qiaozhi]

You like child games don't you?
While you play, I keep getting the gold. Simple. No pain.

Actually, I like to play mind games. But not the one's you play with your LRLs.

[Clondike Clad]

ionic and electrostatic fields

No. I'm not saying that.
What I meant is that someone who buys this expensive detector wouldn't be looking for small itens when the big gold which is almost all the time out of the reach of conventional detectors are what they should seek.

The PDCs, FGs, etc... sure can find small items but I admit in many circumstances it's hard to pinpoint the item. I know of people who detected gold items at the beach with beeps they could not trace perfectly to the source and had to use a MD for that. Others I know however could do it fine without a MD. Here in Brazil, summer is the best season for that.
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This is due to poor ionic and electrostatic fields build up on those items caused by : relative short time the item has been buried, shallow location, ionic condition of the day not being good, etc. These are factors which might affect good detection.

Sometime ago I told about a ring being found in a farm by Alonso and some friends employing a DC2008 and how happy the lady who was the owner became, giving a party for them. Humidity, ionic conditions at the location, all of this play important roles.

In case of big treasures however you will get beeps even if it's raining, it's night, humidity high, etc. as the ionic fields are really strong. I can corroborate that in a target we are working on.

So bear in mind. Unless you have the GIG on the detector, for detecting fresh gold items (in this case not much long range), chances are you will get beeps which is more than 10 years buried and probably deep enough as the deeper it is, the stronger the signal. Same goes to buried time period.

Can someone show what the ionic and electrostatic fields for gold would look like .

[Qiaozhi]

Can someone show what the ionic and electrostatic fields for gold would look like .

No - because they don't exist, except in the minds of Mineoro users.

[hung]

Clondike Clad, up to now there's no way of visualize them, although I'm thinking of developing a way to be able to do it. It may take sometime tough.
For a full explanation of the ionic/electrostatic fields and for a java rendition on its behavior go to
www.mineoro.com

[Clondike Clad]

FG80

I know a LASER PUT OUT A VERY TIGHT BEAM OF LIGHT
iT LOOKS AS IF THE FG80 IS PICKING UP SOME KIND OF BEAM OR SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE A LASER BEAM. TO TRACK A TARGET MANY FEET OR MILES THE SIGNAL MUST BE LIKE A LASER OR CLOSE TO A LASER .
IN MY MIND ONLY A LASER IS THAT TIGHT OF A BEAM?????
I WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS.

[Rudy]

Clondike Clad, up to now there's no way of visualize them, although I'm thinking of developing a way to be able to do it. It may take sometime tough.
For a full explanation of the ionic/electrostatic fields and for a java rendition on its behavior go to
www.mineoro.com

You should be able to visualize it if you switched to a complex Hilbert space wherein the fields can be reduced to a time dependent function, whose Hamiltonian is defined as a constant K, such as it would be for a system with Continuously Replenishable Asymmetric Particles.

... just a thought.