Best than your Raven!

[Carl-NC]

Well your getting warmer (ah no pun intended). You need to go down to 1.2mm for gold according to the careful experiments of the German Physicist Dr. Paul E. Dobler. I've looked into building an antenna using printed circuit board technology but I don't know if it can be done (Carl, whadda think?). I know their currently using the method used to lay down the traces for IC's for various mm antennas,hmm.

PCB traces down to 0.1mm aren't too difficult.

I've also gotten books on Spectroscopy and at the light frequencies your looking at Molecules if I'm not mistaken,Carl would know.

When you burn things, the light produced has spectral signatures that can identify the elemental makeup. Not very useful in treasure hunting.

Check out the British StarTiger project and the pics I've seen where the Russians have a mm camera mounted in a tank and it showed what a mm photograph looked like of underground objects from a several hundred feet away from the tank-very cool technology!

I've looked at their site, and wasn't impressed. They have very few pics and little explanation as to what they show. I would think that if the technology had value, and especially if their work had produced a lot of good results, there would be tons of info and pics there. But there isn't. And if you click through to the ThruVision web site, it is a whole bunch of nothing.

Esteban, That article is just what I needed,thank you for helping me. Have you had a chance to get a copy of Dr. Doblers book? The original's are in Deutsch,but you can get an english translated somewhat condensed version from "Integrity Research Institute"...

Ouch... I've run across the Integrity Research Institute before... ironic name, considering that Thomas Valone (Director, President & Chairman) bought his PhD from a diploma mill. I wouldn't give much credence to anything you find on that site.

- Carl

[Esteban]

Randy, you're not thinking with the necessary uniformity they want... If you are out the "structure", you're lost, my friend! Please, leave this good persons prepare the correct way... They only want "the better" for you.

[Esteban]

Sorry to say;but there are at least dozen of my projects,right here on this forum.... Many people used alredy....Of course i used another nick to post some posts here and other forums on the internet...

Show us one. If you can, good! If you can't, also good!

[robert]

Truth!!!


"...I wouldn't give much credence to anything you find on that site..."

This is the POINT!

Esteban,i do hope that you'll beleive Carl on this...since you do not beleive me at all...(it showed so far)..

The very same case with a lot of simillar txt's you may find on internet.

About projects...you already used some of them...
It is just my decision not to mix my several nicks one with another, due to integrity....
regards

[Seden]

TRW and Lockheed Martin Passive mm Camera

I typed in the following quote "millimeter wave camera" on google and got many hits. The first one re:TRW's camera is
http:www.spie.org/web/oer/march/mar97/passivemm.html and lockheed Martin's site is http:www.brijot.com. There's also a camera called the "Bolocam" that a University in Colorado is working on try that on Google.

Robert my Albanian critic,please check these sites out and see if your eyeballs roll to the point of facing backwards,then come join in on the research and development effort with me. I need your experience to pull this off (actually I'd rather have Carl's since he appears to be the only real Engineer joining in on the discussion but many hands make light work). And speaking of that, Carl thanks for the confirmation on the using printed ciruit technology for a mm antenna.

Randy

[Esteban]

About projects...you already used some of them...
It is just my decision not to mix my several nicks one with another, due to integrity....

Please, for example, wich of your project I use. I'm skeptic at this point. I don't use your projects!

[Seden]

Gold's IR spectrum

Esteban,

Have you checked out the site with the IR reflectance of Gold and Silver? I'm thinking by getting the bolometer I mentioned it would be out of the range for silver,but I haven't researched the spectral response of other metals.

I have my 5 days off coming this Friday and will now be able to place various metals in this plastic tub with iron rich dirt-pulse it and note their phase vs frequency response as well as spectral response.

Looks like Dave Emery is within months of releasing his "Pulse Devil" and I wish I had the ~$2500-$2900 to buy one. The rich nugget shooters are going to vacuum up what the Minelabs missed and so eventually you'll need a D-9 or a tractor with a scoop to reach the gold!

Since I don't have the bucks I'll just build a simple PI TX with and beat the lo against the return signal for added depth. Have you tried this Carl?

Robert my fellow Technician/experimenter colleague, I have been posting on this forum darn near from the beginning. Mostly lurking as I was spending most of my time studying Geophysics and Geology and didn't have time to play with designs. Have you played much with PI designs? What do you think of the idea of CW vs AM detection? Have you ever tried it? Seems like it would work much better than straight AM detection.

Randy

[robert]

S... m. d... !!!


It seems that Carl has something against my previous wish
and intention to distinguish my nationality.
Randy,first of all i am not Albanian, i am Serbian...I am,
kind of sensitive on those things.Sorry,but i would like to
keep some facts clear.No big harm done,just i need to clear
this up.
Carl if you have something against that, thats your problem!
But you should be honest and let me to clear up those, not
to delete my posts, while Seden's post remained undeleted?
( "...Robert my Albanian critic...")
As time goes by i see so few reasons to be here any more!
Mainly thanks to Carls onesided honesty/fairness.
Yeah,yeah...i know! Carl,you gonna repeat all the "brain-
washing" rules of this forum.....
But as man can see here very few posts are tightly stuck
to subject at all. 99% of posts are widely filled with
various rethorics and philosophy.
I DIDNT SAW YOU,CARL DELETING OR WARNING THOSE!?
So dont you even try to explain again reasons of your behavior!
I can live with fact that this is your forum and you gonna
do whatever you want here....nobody can stop you!
So after finishing with Seden, i'll spit on you and your
forum and leave for good, on great Estebans&others joy!!!
Esteban start to celebrate from now! No more RObert here to
bug you! Kiss "dear" Carl for that, your good friend!

.................................................
I'll be off this unbenefitial place for good. But i do not
want to "cut off" your questions Seden. I would like to
answer on those, but first try to define me more preciselly
what did you asked me;
"...CW vs AM detection..." What do you exactlu mean by this?
Define me CW detection and AM detection first, than i'll be
glad to answer, even help if possible.
"Have you played much with PI designs?"
Yes Seden! I did a lot of those so far. Mostly relying on
Eric Fosters projects/knowledge. Eric showed as very
conversant,expert and also a great human,always good willing
to help,teach and tip....Thanks to his explanations i learned
so much about pi detectors. Tribute to Eric Foster! And many
thanks to him!
I also tried several other PI designs, some of them very nice.
I can not claim here that i am expert, but for sure
i feel very conversant to talk about those....
One more thing. I even tried to build Carl's Hamerhead PI once!
Catastrofic project! Amateur,stupid,non-working nonsence!
"...Carl's since he appears to be the only real Engineer..."
If Hamerhead is all he can do so far, than i feel very sorry
about his wasted years! "Real Engineer"??? Ha,ha,ha!!!
Like hell he is!!! Ha,ha,ha,ha!!!!

"I was spending most of my time studying Geophysics and Geology.."
Indeed very good news! Very good for you! I salute that!
But you should know by now that some scientific principles are
left for good.....for example those you've been talking about
earlier.
Just define me CW and AM (detection) and i'll be glad to
talk about.

Please stay off mixing radio "detection" usually met in radio
technique with any kind of metal detecting.
P.S.
Since i am not gonna come again here,Seden you may use my
e-mail to continue this subject;
roppod@yahoo.com

[Carl-NC]

Carl if you have something against that, thats your problem!
But you should be honest and let me to clear up those, not
to delete my posts, while Seden's post remained undeleted?
( "...Robert my Albanian critic...")
As time goes by i see so few reasons to be here any more!

I deleted the posts because they amounted to nothing but taunting. I agree, I see few reasons for you to be here... perhaps it's time for you to move on.

- Carl

[sony]

S... m. d... !!!


S... m. d... !!!
This supposed to be S(urface) m(ounted) d(evices), i guess!?

oIo

[Esteban]

Hi Randy

Yes, I check it. I read this info and other papers. IR emission is common for other metals, not only for gold and silver. Copper is great emitter.

I'm planning to build "IR camera" based on IR receiver module of TV, etc. I make some preliminar experiment and found there are regions in the soil wich a type of signal, in concordance with other medium range detector (microvoltmeter and others).

[sony]

for good gye...

Seden, sachen, die Sie sich mit Robert besprechen möchten, sind eine intrersting
spitze. Sie können verwenden Deutsche sprachenhier schuld die tatsache, daß
anderes die leute, die anwesend sind nicht sie verstehen kann hier! Sehr gut,
wenn wir diesen freien raum weg von den nonsences halten möchten! Inhaber dieses
forums bereits gezeigte unfaire, unhonest behandlung gegen einige mitglieder hier.
So wird sie sehr gut sein, wenn wir Ihre fragen über deutsche sprache besprechen.
Alles, das sie bitten möchten, kommen und bitten. Ihre fragen werden beantwortet.
Respekt!
P.S.
Bessere weise soll seine e-mail benutzen. Er bat mich, dieses auf deutscher sprache
zu übersetzen und pfosten hier. Ich kenne Robert während einiger zeit. Er ist nicht
schlechte person. Aber er hat sehr "harte" art des argumentierens mit leuten. Versuch,
zum von von aufmerksamkeit auf diesem nicht zu zahlen. Auch er ist hölle von einem
experten in den themen, die Sie interessiert sind, also, wenn Sie mehr wissen wünschen,
ihn fragen und sachverhalt und wissen warten. Ich mag nicht mit die weise, die Carl
einiges beschäftigt hier bevölkeren, aber, hallo das leben ist!
Respekt


Again "big boss" showed his power here!? Bravo Carl! So few reasons for you to be
proud....
"..But as man can see here very few posts are tightly stuck to subject at all.
99% of posts are widely filled with various rethorics and philosophy..."
This is THE FACT which nobody can beat! Truth! If we accept this as fact, than i do
not see reason why should only Robert's posts been deleted here???

Carl your reasons doesnt make any sence;
"...amounted to nothing but taunting...."
Where did you saw taunting in this???;
Roberts deleted post:
"...Esteban, you forgot what you started here?
What is best (should be "better") than whos Raven???
What you posted above has nothing to do with any "Raven" at all!?
What was you idea at first place Esteban?
On your posted photos, man can see ordinary (cheapest one) am/fm radio,
connected in some strange design...??? What is all about?
If you want to be taken seriously, you should explain in details what is
your device??? Part by part...
What is elementar function of every stage in overall design?
Step by step.
You should post partially schematic,points of connection with that radio.
What you used in it? Where did you put input from front end?
Did you used local osci.......simillar?
How device is acting? "Beep"-ing, "Hum"-ing, "Scratch"-ing ...????
How can you distinguish between "detection" and "no detection"???
What can you "detect" with it?
Distant stomach gas,viruses,metal, maybe local station...????
Be serious man! Look at other threads how serious people explained their
projects, and do like they done.
Than we can even take a part in your "research" and maybe help you.
Until than...you can only gain laugh from others...Sorry!..."

Since Esteban started this sad thread named "Best than your Raven", posting
photos of his funny and strange project, it is quite natural and normal
to expect questions from other interested members about posted material.
Isn't that so Carl???
Esteban should take responsibillity and answer on questions here, since HE
started this thread!?
Or you,Carl, are aproving that man can open a thread and post few photos without
any explanations. And also anybody can come here and claim any nonsence
without further explanation!???
Please,Carl explain here this? Try to clear up, once for all, what is proper
way of acting here??? Which people can taunt and wich must not?
You mentioned taunting??? Let me remind you on some sentences here:

Esteban:"Hu!!! I feel trembling!.."
Esteban:"This is the proof you never learn nothing..."
Esteban:"Who are your "professor" or you never learn the lessons? "
Esteban:"The only who wasted time here are you, because you loose the time in the reading"
Esteban:"Randy, you're not thinking with the necessary uniformity they want... "
Esteban:"If you are out the "structure", you're lost, my friend!"
Esteban:"Please, leave this good persons prepare the correct way... "
Seden:"Robert my Albanian critic..."
Seden:"Also ignore the people that are giving you a hard time..."

Of course, almost every Robert's post has taunting also. I do not need to repeat all
those.We all already know about his specific kind of humor.But if we accepted that
as something we can live with, than why deleting ????
Or, why deleteing only Robert's taunting,why not every others???
Carl think twice! You made a mistake! Either you gonna have same rules for everybody,
either you just leave things as they are and only delete "name calling" and "bad" words.
Very bad situation. I liked this forum at the begining very much. Met many real friends
here, new friends.
"As time goes by" so small amount of good informations here,day by day, worse and worse!
But nonsences,missinformations,pseudo-science,lies more and more day by day!
I am sad to say but this forum is to be busted soon if continue like this!
We are different people.Every of us has his own reaction on nonsences. I do not reply
to much on nonsences.Robert is different.He simply can not stand to see lies and
nonsences. His problem. But i can see some benefits from his posts.
Asking questions,provoking to gain more informations for everybody to have here.
If we just sit and let everybody to post here any kind of nonsences without checking,
questioning,peaking and a bit taunting...than what should be the benefit from this
place??? Nothing! All informations and missinformations mixed up togather, on a pile!?
I do not have anything against, if somebody taunt me a bit,make joke on my account,
as far as i can get some benefit from that...
As i see, Esteban (attacked by Robert here) is not complaining much. As i presume,
Esteban is not angry on Robert also.Which is good and shows Esteban's good character.
I respect that!
Also Esteban is not illiterate and can protect himself, no need you to protect him Carl!
But....what has been done by now, is done. All we can do is to hope that this situations
never repeat again.
regards
:o

[Seden]

OK,now back to more technical talk!

Sony, für den freundlichen Rat danke. Gut, dieses über Robert zu wissen, ihm mein apologie für Sein geben, also zu ihm bedeuten.

Has anyone on this forum ever tried pulsing metals in dirt and looking at the frequency spectrum and phase? I find an interesting study and this is already done by a Geophysical Equipment Mfr. but using a swept frequency I believe . I saw the results on a de-mining site how they could identify the differant bombs by their change in phase and amplitude vs change in frequency. From memory they started about 100hz and went up to 10Khz.
Randy

[okantex]

hi esteban
google " leningrad 7"
this is a light meter.visiable light is380nm -700nm
seden says gold is around 900 nm.
can this device detect gold.
I heard a man finds gold with this machine from distance like 100meters.
his last hole was 16meters and aim was to achive 20meters to find target but stoped because of some reasons.

[Seden]

Leningrad 7 light meter as lrl?

Okantex,

I did Google Leningrad 7 and couldn't find any information on some guy using it to find gold,but there are several on ebay for under $20USD though.

I would like more information on this person please. Also I didn't say 900nm but 1.2mm or 249 GHZ was the frequency that gold radiates at based on Dr. Paul E. Doblers work in the 1920's. He basically used some of Dr. Bose's methods minus the photographic film-crude by todays standards but it got the job done!

Will look forward to any info that you've come across Oknatex re:Leningrad 7 as an gold detector.

Randy