Radionics

[Qiaozhi]

...you will probably be unable to find instructions in english on how to build it.
So if you want I can send it to you. It's a really simple device and easy to build but must be meticulously assembled in order to have a perfect balance.

Happy new year.

In the spirit of "looking on the internet", here's a link on how to build the Ripoff Motor, which incidently didn't actually rip anyone off as it was made of one sheet of paper.
http://translate.google.com/translat...l%3Den%26lr%3D

Gardiner's book is also available from Amazon, if anyone is interested, but please be aware that this device was only created as a bit of fun and was never intended to be taken seriously.

[Qiaozhi]

In the spirit of "looking on the internet", here's a link on how to build the Ripoff Motor, which incidently didn't actually rip anyone off as it was made of one sheet of paper.
http://translate.google.com/translat...l%3Den%26lr%3D

Gardiner's book is also available from Amazon, if anyone is interested, but please be aware that this device was only created as a bit of fun and was never intended to be taken seriously.

OK - forget the link shown above. Here's a much better description in English -> http://bizarrelabs.com/psychicm.htm
This device is also called a "psychic motor", and it moves by the warmth of your hand. No hocus-pocus here then.

[hung]

Still there eh?

and it moves by the warmth of your hand. No hocus-pocus here then.

Yeah, right...
So it's the heat of your left hand which is making it turn clockwise and the heat of your right hand moves it anticlockwise... Wow so the secret is in the heat! And it changes direction! No wonder this poor soul (Gardner) calls him a debunker.

It's amazing when people like 'debunkers' wants to remain blind to avoid 'the' other explanation.

Taking a ride on Dell's motto here:

'The door to knowledge is never open to a closed mind'.
Yeah!

PS. Make sure when you build one toy like that, to keep your hand in the freeze for sometime, so when it moves the cold will be the culprit. In fact it's incredible how toys like that many times tell the truth.

[Dell Winders]

That's not the way it works. The onus is on the claimant.

Qiaozhi. I see you have lost touch with reality.

"What has been done, can be done" Dell

[Rudy]

As I thought.
You had no clue about it and took everything above from a link in the internet.
Is this how you research things?
Then I must be one hell of a researcher because, for almost 20 years I look for corroborating scientific claims by trying to recreate the experiments.
<SNIP>
Happy new year.

Nothing wrong with using the internet for research. I started using it back when I worked at Bell Laboratories and it was then called the ARPANET. Only a few Universities and research centers had access to it back then.

You just have to excercise some judgment as to what material you accept, based on the source and I think the American Scientist web site is a pretty reliable source of information, and the person that reviewed the book I referred to, Dennis Flanagan, was an editor of Scientific American.

I noticed you demured about the modifications to Maxwell's equations.

Have a Happy New Year.

[Qiaozhi]

You just have to excercise some judgment as to what material you accept, based on the source and I think the American Scientist web site is a pretty reliable source of information, and the person that reviewed the book I referred to, Dennis Flanagan, was an editor of Scientific American.

Well said.

I noticed you demured about the modifications to Maxwell's equations.

Why are we not surprised?

Qiaozhi. I see you have lost touch with reality.

"What has been done, can be done" Dell

Same old rethoric...
Psychic motors, little green men, Roswell, dowsing - maybe this is the new reality??? Next you'll be telling me that black is white. Time to stop dreaming and see the real world.
Happy New Year (Xin nian kuai le!) or perhaps that's a conspiracy as well.

Yeah, right...
So it's the heat of your left hand which is making it turn clockwise and the heat of your right hand moves it anticlockwise... Wow so the secret is in the heat! And it changes direction! No wonder this poor soul (Gardner) calls him a debunker.

It's amazing when people like 'debunkers' wants to remain blind to avoid 'the' other explanation.

Taking a ride on Dell's motto here:

'The door to knowledge is never open to a closed mind'.
Yeah!

PS. Make sure when you build one toy like that, to keep your hand in the freeze for sometime, so when it moves the cold will be the culprit. In fact it's incredible how toys like that many times tell the truth.

You are such a lost soul. :confused:
The Ripoff Motor (just look closely at the name) - also known as a psychic motor - was a "joke" placed in the appendix of a book written by a self-confessed skeptic, who was also a member of CSICOP; and you believed it!!
That's the real joke!

[hung]

Hi Dell, nice to see you joining here... Your expertise in dowsing is always appreciated.

Oh, how I love debates...

The Ripoff Rotor is another way of demonstrating how magnetic fields in our bodies work and emanate. Actually is pretty simpler holding a pendulum in either hand and the same results as in the rotor will appear.

Never expect to find serious research in the internet. It's either halfway down to truth or it's covered up. Do you really think you will find the plans to a time machine, cold fusion, teletransport, etc. in the internet for instance? But I don't deny it's helpful to some extent.

Serious research is done completely away from public. At least those which 'might' have military interests. We all know what happens to anyone when and if he decides to release such info in the internet...
In the long run misinformation is always a good tactic.

Rudy I said I will not talk about that project. In my research team, we had nuclear physicists, mathematicians, electronic engineers, etc. All I can say is that the quantum leap is not actually a 'leap...'. Please don't try to go over this topic again as I won't make any coment on this anymore. Hope you don't insist.

Well going back to the original subject. I don't really agree with Ripoff who states those are all PSI waves. Not really. I think the pendulum for instance shows that an electromagnetic pattern AKIN from the user's will is also present.
Let's see how what I state above develops here as I will go over a really interesting case next.

[Rudy]

<SNIP>
Oh, how I love debates...

Me too.

The Ripoff Rotor is another way of demonstrating how magnetic fields in our bodies work and emanate.

Have yet to see a piece of paper that can be picked up by a magnet. Static electricity, yes. Magnet, No.

Never expect to find serious research in the internet.

Leading edge and or classified research, no. But plenty of prior art material is available on the internet, or in academia.

Do you really think you will find the plans to a time machine, cold fusion, teletransport, etc. in the internet for instance?

Nice attempt at changing the topic of discussion, but we weren't discussing any of those. We where discussing the Ripoff motor, or is it ripped off?

Rudy I said I will not talk about that project. In my research team, we had nuclear physicists, mathematicians, electronic engineers, etc. All I can say is that the quantum leap is not actually a 'leap...'. Please don't try to go over this topic again as I won't make any coment on this anymore. Hope you don't insist.

Ok, I won't. But I will say that a quantum leap is an infinitesimally small leap at that.

Let's see how what I state above develops here as I will go over a really interesting case next.

Waiting with baited breadth at the next adventure in pseudo science.

[Rudy]

<SNIP>
If I'm right, must tell you this is as a simple demonstrated tool, I've seen it and was really working and there was no hocus-pocus.

Michael, I am sure you saw the motor spinning as you say. But that doesn't mean it was due to misterious psi waves.

Assume for the moment that it was indeed psi waves and not body heat that was causing the motion. One would have to infer that these psi waves are energetic enough to overcome the frictional losses in the motor and the inertia of the paper's mass.

Then, one would expect that these waves would still propagate between the hands and the paper motor across a slightly larger distance, say six inches. So, after the motor is turning (ie. the frictional losses and inertia have been overcome), the hands are moved away to a six inch distance and the motor should continue to turn. Does it? I think not.

A big question mark is for me; why some axioms being denied in this forum whereas accepted in many places and with many people?!!!
like radio waves spreading in soil that some time ago was denying here seriously.:confused: :confused:

Radio waves of extremely low frequency do indeed propagate through the earth. The government used such ELF radio waves to communicate simple instructions to the submerged nuclear submarine fleet for years.

But these are very very low frequency waves, in the 3Hz to ~25Hz range. The antenas needed to transmit and receive these frequencies are of mind boggling size. The transmitter antenas where located by the US government in the central US and they were miles in length. The boomers trailed a very thin antena wire behind them when on patrol to receive the signals.

Quite simply, the LRL antena is just not at all suitable to send or receive such long wavelength signals, nor is there a mechanism known that would cause metals, such as gold, to radiate such signals in a distinguishable manner.

[Qiaozhi]

Oh, how I love debates...

That won't scare us away.

I think the pendulum for instance shows that an electromagnetic pattern AKIN from the user's will is also present.

You think wrongly. The pendulum example is also a well known demonstration of the ideomotor effect, like dowsing and the ouija board.

[hung]

Have yet to see a piece of paper that can be picked up by a magnet. Static electricity, yes. Magnet, No.

Is static electricity able to rotate the rotor clockwise and anticlockwise?
And why is it important to position the hand facing north? Would this relate with earth's magnetic pole?
Hummm?

But I will say that a quantum leap is an infinitesimally small leap at that.

My dear friend, as I stated earlier, we discovered things which corroborate much of accepted science is WRONG! And they even bother to correct themselves...Humm..Why would that be?
Unless you develop experiments to try to prove or not some allegations in science, you can never state or believe what is estabilished as fact, because sometimes it's not. Eg. Everyday we have the 'experts' changing the age of things in history according to their findings.
In physics, etc, it happens the same thing, but they do not even bother to do it. Humm... Why would that be...?
Today, I can assure you.. Many of us know nothing. We think we do.
Go on, build your rotor and don't keep looking at a drawing, telling yourself the reasons it should not work.
Does this sound familiar here?

Waiting with baited breadth at the next adventure in pseudo science.

Pseudo science eh?
Yes.. I see, everything that can't be explained with our current resources is called that. Specially when this knowledge is not acessible.
Bad start pal, I had hopes you were smarter than that. I was wrong.

[michael]

Assume for the moment that it was indeed psi waves and not body heat that was causing the motion. One would have to infer that these psi waves are energetic enough to overcome the frictional losses in the motor and the inertia of the paper's mass.
Then, one would expect that these waves would still propagate between the hands and the paper motor across a slightly larger distance, say six inches. So, after the motor is turning (ie. the frictional losses and inertia have been overcome), the hands are moved away to a six inch distance and the motor should continue to turn. Does it? I think not..

Rudy, what I alluded was not for body heat. body heat is as a simple affair not need to be determined by this kind of device. one thermometer suffices.
it worked with mind concentration. every time tried to concentrate mind on device, it moved didn't need to get hand near the device.
or another example one of my compatriots who could bend rough things such as steel spoon by his mind power he just held his hand over the object and concentrated his mind, the object was being bended. He did this frequently in front of National TV camera and said to the interviewer that he was supposed to cooperate with an [American]institute which study on man specific or unknown energies. I remember he pointed to one kind of magnetic energy, but didn't point exactly to the institute name. of course every time
he was under a heavy pressure and his eyes became tearful.[it was genuine not hocus-pocus] Now, what can call this kind of energy?
it's obvious has no relation to body temperature. Admittedly he is an exceptional case, but this represents all people; me, you and others have at least a shadow of this energy.

Radio waves of extremely low frequency do indeed propagate through the earth. The government used such ELF radio waves to communicate simple instructions to the submerged nuclear submarine fleet for years.
But these are very very low frequency waves, in the 3Hz to ~25Hz range. The antenas needed to transmit and receive these frequencies are of mind boggling size. The transmitter antenas where located by the US government in the central US and they were miles in length. The boomers trailed a very thin antena wire behind them when on patrol to receive the signals.
Quite simply, the LRL antena is just not at all suitable to send or receive such long wavelength signals, nor is there a mechanism known that would cause metals, such as gold, to radiate such signals in a distinguishable manner.

About this as I remember in previous discussions in different threads some members believed high frequencies (at MHZ or GHZ scales can spread or penetrate appropriately in soil and ground) now I see you are in versus.
you believe in VLFs in Hz scale!!! 2 days before I got acquainted with a genius in physic.
We talked much about radio frequencies,...I asked him" do you admit RFs can travel on & inside ground?" his A:" Yes, high frequencies do this much better, the lower the more difficult" As I had made test myself by my RF generator; either in HZ or KHZ, asked his opinion about it. he told : "it depends on power & amplification, in what power?" my A: " e.g. 100 Watt" his A:" yes of course" My Q:" how far? some inches or 1 meter?"[here I knew answer based on my own experience] his A:" no, much more, based on ground condition up to 100 or hundreds meters" I added :" some people who claim are very experienced and knowledgeable in RF sciences, believe that these kind of waves can go only up to some inches,.." He was surprised and told these are axiom.
His comments was exact conjoint to my EE friend comments.
Then he talked much about Satellite, and a kind of nuisance in RF categories (GAMER),... were very interesting and out of here patience.
Now I have reached one point : most of our believes have been wrong. specially after make a connection with one of my compatriots who owns OKM exp 4000 &5000 and knows this forum, but only reads themes.
by 2 weeks ago I believed OKM devices are bogus, now I'm in versus. this guy have found many objects by exps. and mailed me that he has even found 2 object by Lectra search the device that I and even he dislike it.
with exp 5000 there is 4 VLF generators that produce 40 KHZ waves and injected to ground, then you search there by detector, in this attitude it can find metals much more better. why? you see injected Fr. is not in Hz range. it remembered me Okantex notification; he offered me to compose Zahori with RF generator instead of other type of rods. when weather allow,we will do it for every kind of detector; PI MD, Rover C and even FG80.

[hung]

But these are very very low frequency waves, in the 3Hz to ~25Hz range. The antenas needed to transmit and receive these frequencies are of mind boggling size. The transmitter antenas where located by the US government in the central US and they were miles in length.

Are you really sure about this Mr. Rudy?
That's why I say there's much more than meets the eye.
A reduction in antenna's size has been done before in a special case and it proved infinite advantage over the original design.
In the early 80's, a scottish professor named Maurice Hately and Fathl Kabbary were working a completely different antenna design. The great concept of this design was based on the premise that a magnetic field could be produced without a current flow in a wire (hey there, does it sound familiar?) They used the reveresed negative solution of Maxwell's fourth equation and proved that a magnetic field really exists between 2 capacitor plates when a RF voltage is applied.
Years and years later, I believe in the 90's, I think it was Kabbary who made a revolutionary design change in the antenna, employing a top which had funnel shape. This resulted in a design with only 21 feet tall in relation to the vertical design was replaced, 211 feet(!) in height. And later, tests demonstrated it had 800% advantage (about 9db) over the vertical one quarter wavelength design. This antenna was set in Egypt.
So the idea of requiring long antennas for whatever purpose, many times does not hold true.
If you only knew what can be done with 3 helmholtz coils/antennas... Never mind..

[hung]

I remember he pointed to one kind of magnetic energy, but didn't point exactly to the institute name. of course every time
he was under a heavy pressure and his eyes became tearful.[it was genuine not hocus-pocus] Now, what can call this kind of energy?

Aaahhhh.... Now we are getting somewhere.
Good point Michael..

We talked much about radio frequencies,...I asked him" do you admit RFs can travel on & inside ground?" his A:" Yes, high frequencies do this much better, the lower the more difficult" As I had made test myself by my RF generator; either in HZ or KHZ, asked his opinion about it. he told : "it depends on power & amplification,

Yes. He's 100% right. AMPLITUDE.

this guy have found many objects by exps. and mailed me that he has even found 2 object by Lectra search the device that I and even he dislike it.

He,he,he. Why I'm not surprised?
Skeptics will fight back with anger on this one.

[hung]

You think wrongly. The pendulum example is also a well known demonstration of the ideomotor effect, like dowsing and the ouija board.

Sorry. We cannot even start to debate.
It's like we start to talk about earth's atmosphere and you don't admit air exists.