Gravitator small but powerfull

[Great_Alex]

Dear Michael
I respect to carl or other members opinion even they don't believe me.i try to do my job well,and nothing else matters.

This is my email : GreatAlexx@yahoo.com
I invite everyone to communicate.


Best Regards
Alex

[michael]

I respect to carl or other members opinion even they don't believe me.i try to do my job well,and nothing else matters.

And me too.

[robert]

Jars,jars....jars all arround!?



"...two jar of golden coins ..."
Say, arent you Michaels relative...? Jars all arround??? How come that none of us ever find any gold in jar? I know people who found many times gold...but never in jar?
Gravitatir is BULLSHEET same as any mineoro device, same as Dell Omnitron, same as Lectra,blah,blah....tellers....BULLSHEET! PERIOD!
No jars....just your imagination!

[Great_Alex]

Hey Robert

So say you're a nugget hunter not a treasure hunter.

[michael]

Hey Robert
So say you're a nugget hunter not a treasure hunter.

That's it, one nugget or for high optipism is a coin shooter. I said you Alex some people oppose to this why? cose what they haven't experienced, is impossible from their standpoint, and start to accuse us as mineoro personnel or relative or..... other absurd things. what a rational and logical guys.

[robert]

Hello again!


Hi Michael!
Whats new with your mineoro? (wasted money)
Any founds with it? Any jars in a sand?
regards!

[michael]

Hello, Adios.

Hi Robert, honestly nothing, maybe a wasted money, I've come back from our latest expedition.
as a matter of fact this unit gives signals and becomes giddy in special places where are somehow hot from treasure standpoint. of course it's not at all like they claimed, at all. and I can't tell it work and can't tell definitely doesn't work, but you can only find some hot places where worth to be concentrated with pinpointers nothing more, to find a point is impossible as it gives false signals frequently one of these places was checked by Rover C and it shows one big underground cavity like a hidden room. there had been one digging by other team who were explicitly searching for a treasure without any success. mineoro gave signal 2 meters beyond the dug place and we all checked there by FG80 and all got signal of course we didn't get from far distance, just from 3- 4 meters.
(why lie? it's a fact it's an erroneous thing this device doesn't worth more than 500$ and they should be ashamed for sellind such rip-off price.)

But this is one thing, existence of jars of gold coins other thing, why do you mix them up each other?
one instrument works or not doesn't concern to existence objects or change it.
meanwhile here we less often deal with sands. jars are not on surface in sands or beaches, man, ancient people were much more intelligent to put big objects in loose and insecure areas. in these places you just find single coins or maybe nuggets.
Robert, albeit you are a bitter sarcastic I respect your knowledge.

[hung]

to find a point is impossible as it gives false signals frequently

Sounds like over tuning. The FG does not give false signals. It beeps because it's in presence of an electrical field causeing ionization. If for some reason it's falsing, it's definetly overtuned causing higher threshold and naturally beeping. Try this:

Mark the spot where you say it's beeping. Now lower calibration and very slowly scan from left to right the spot from a confortable distance. If it does not beep, start to gently increase sens until you hear the beep over that spot. Confirm this by keeping scanning the area and making sure it's beeping only over the mentioned spot.
I can't see why you could not be able to pinpoint it. The only situation I fore see some difiiculty is when you detect coins for instance which are spread on the ground. But still they can be recovered one by one with some experience and patience.

We had 2 FGs in my expedition. Both beeped at the same spot. I took one to go inside the cave and could easily pinpoint the location on the wall pretty much doing what I told you above. I don't see why you cannot do the same.

one of these places was checked by Rover C and it shows one big underground cavity like a hidden room. there had been one digging by other team who were explicitly searching for a treasure without any success. mineoro gave signal 2 meters beyond the dug place and we all checked there by FG80 and all got signal of course we didn't get from far distance, just from 3- 4 meters.

Sounds like either a small object or a weak ionic/electrostatic field. How recent had this side been dug?

I'm sure if you had the GIG on, it would be easier to pinpoint, provided there's really something there as I think it does.
Despite of that there's no reason why you should not be able to do so with your present model anyway.

As I told you in the past, the more you use it on the field, the more experience you will get regarding calibration tricks, and emiting more precise diagnostics, as it seems only now you returned to the field due to weather conditions.

I wish I was there to help you. But it seems as difficult for me right now flying there, as it is to you going to Mineoro to remedy your doubts.

[michael]

Sounds like over tuning. The FG does not give false signals. It beeps because it's in presence of an electrical field causeing ionization. If for some reason it's falsing, it's definetly overtuned causing higher threshold and naturally beeping. Try this:
Mark the spot where you say it's beeping. Now lower calibration and very slowly scan from left to right the spot from a confortable distance. If it does not beep, start to gently increase sens until you hear the beep over that spot. Confirm this by keeping scanning the area and making sure it's beeping only over the mentioned spot.
I can't see why you could not be able to pinpoint it. The only situation I fore see some difiiculty is when you detect coins for instance which are spread on the ground. But still they can be recovered one by one with some experience and patience.

Hung, about over- tuning I should tell no, even one time didn't happen. we are not novice in this to be unfamiliar to devices adjustment or balancing. in all cases we turned back 10 or even 20 number from border SENS, but after searching area for a while it suddenly started crazy behaves and continuous beeps.
and after exiting the place kept beeping unless to lower SENS much more, after readjusting in out of the hot place couldn't get signal again it has gone, we did everything and exact what you mentioned here, the results were same signal disappeared or got a crazy behave. we experienced this in all areas and places. what is this except to defect?
you remember from my last search expedition, we got a typical signal, this time it had gone and we didn't notice it to be focused by our pinpointers. one time get such signal it's being repeated a few times and then disappears.
what a frustrating!!!

Sounds like either a small object or a weak ionic/electrostatic field. How recent had this side been dug?.

It was dug for more than 2 years ago and abandoned there unfinished and sometimes of searching expedition we passed there and saw there inattentively, only this time as we had patience to search by FG scanned there and encountered it.

I'm sure if you had the GIG on, it would be easier to pinpoint, provided there's really something there as I think it does.
Despite of that there's no reason why you should not be able to do so with your present model anyway.

Didn't you say the GIG is for fresh gold not old buried? there we were not searching for fresh object.
By this time FG80 was doing its' job as the best, now it needs other thing? other thing puts

[hung]

Hung, about over- tuning I should tell no, even one time didn't happen. we are not novice in this to be unfamiliar to devices adjustment or balancing. in all cases we turned back 10 or even 20 number from border SENS, but after searching area for a while it suddenly started crazy behaves and continuous beeps.

Michael I'm sure you are an experienced THunter but you have to bear in mind that with so many devices around, you would have to use the same one on coutless situations in order to master it.

Your description above reminds me of my early FG80 model. When I used to tune it to a 'no target' spot I had to be careful not to over turn threshold as when I pointed to a true target, it behaved they way you describe above.
Also I returned it to factory to have a slight mod in capacitor value which was causing this. I should point however that it was detecting fine, only with this little annoying behaviour. When the cap was replaced it got quieter, that's all. I'm not saying that this is the case regarding yours, specially after you told them you wanted your detector with the cap mod done. So it could be another thing. You will have to discover. And to do this you have to use it all the time and test it everytime so you are ready for a diagnostic.

I, myself when face similar issues, keep investigating till I get a verdict. And in the end, the verdict proves to be true.

and after exiting the place kept beeping unless to lower SENS much more, after readjusting in out of the hot place couldn't get signal again it has gone, we did everything and exact what you mentioned here, the results were same signal disappeared or got a crazy behave. we experienced this in all areas and places. what is this except to defect?

Well if you point it to a spot and it starts to beep 'crazily' simply mark the place and dig. But first try to confirm detection testing it several times and making sure it beeps. Then try to use center & deep to determine depth. If that's not possible, maybe because the object is small, remain in place until you are abolutely sure where the object is and use your Rover C to spot it.

you remember from my last search expedition, we got a typical signal, this time it had gone and we didn't notice it to be focused by our pinpointers. one time get such signal it's being repeated a few times and then disappears.

Recalibrate again and it should re-appear.

It was dug for more than 2 years ago and abandoned there unfinished and sometimes of searching expedition we passed there and saw there inattentively, only this time as we had patience to search by FG scanned there and encountered it.

If it's more than 2 years than the field is fully recovered. Unless the place gets transit by cars, motorbikes, engines, etc.
Again, if the FG beeps there in the same direction, in the same spot, etc. there's something there. Otherwise not. And you have to make sure about this.

Didn't you say the GIG is for fresh gold not old buried? there we were not searching for fresh object.

Yes but it should be a good pinpointer since detection happens at a lower range and should be more precise.
Another thing you could do is while searching having someone using the C&dDeep ahead of the detector, sweeping the ground for pinpoining. Once the detector beeps confirm sweeping it back and forth. Detector should beep accordingly. Although I still did not try this with the FG, only with the PDC, it should work.

Two tips to know your detector is working fine.

1 - Calibrate it as usual. Pass it close to a fluorescent light bulb, infra red source, power line panel, etc. It should emit a continuous beep while in front or at the length of source.

2 - Inside your car if well calibrated, the detector should beep when you press or release the brake light. An optimal setting would be beeping when pressing and releasing the pedal. If it does without 'going crazy' it's sensitive enough.

Hope this helps and you suceed at last.

PS. When you turn the switch on does the led lights up (red) or it remains unlit and lights only when beeps happen?

[Qiaozhi]

Hung, about over- tuning I should tell no, even one time didn't happen. we are not novice in this to be unfamiliar to devices adjustment or balancing. in all cases we turned back 10 or even 20 number from border SENS, but after searching area for a while it suddenly started crazy behaves and continuous beeps.
and after exiting the place kept beeping unless to lower SENS much more, after readjusting in out of the hot place couldn't get signal again it has gone, we did everything and exact what you mentioned here, the results were same signal disappeared or got a crazy behave. we experienced this in all areas and places. what is this except to defect?
you remember from my last search expedition, we got a typical signal, this time it had gone and we didn't notice it to be focused by our pinpointers. one time get such signal it's being repeated a few times and then disappears.
what a frustrating!!! It was dug for more than 2 years ago and abandoned there unfinished and sometimes of searching expedition we passed there and saw there inattentively, only this time as we had patience to search by FG scanned there and encountered it.Didn't you say the GIG is for fresh gold not old buried? there we were not searching for fresh object.
By this time FG80 was doing its' job as the best, now it needs other thing? other thing puts

Hi Michael,

It must be abundantly clear to you by now, after all this testing, that you are simply wasting your time with this trash. The FG80 randomly beeps for no apparent reason. The user is tricked into reading something from this erratic behaviour, even when the beeping doesn't make any sense. This is partly due to a desperate desire to justify the exhorbitant cost of this device. The only thing you really get for your money is a nicely polished wooden box and a lot of dashed hopes.
You should demand a refund...

[hung]

Hey Qiaozhi, please don't be a pest.

I'm trying to help Michael here and the last thing we need is someone sneaking in with a negative attitude saying nonsenses about wasted money.

Let's make something clear. You dont own any Mineoro detector, so you don't have the slightest clue or credit to make a coment about it. It's all 'guesses'... Michael owns his FG for several months now and despite of that he did not find any treasure yet. And you say you had a FG in your hands for short a time maybe an afternoon? Yet, dares to say it does not work?
What authority do you have to state such untruth?
Just because Michael still did not find what he intends does not necessarily means he won't. If and when he happens to find a treasure with his FG will it still be a 'waste of money'?

Take this guy's case for instance:

http://www.mineoro.com.br/new/detectoresParaOuro/crispin.php

http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/findingCrespin.php

So Michael 'wasted' money and this guy did not?

I talked to him a couple days ago to exchange experiences. He is a field researcher like I, Dell, Michael and others here. Not an 'armchair' T.hunter like you. He told me he's proud of his detectors and he's very fond of the FG80 his latest acquisition, which enabled him to discover gold veins and nuggets in Brazil's central region. His other findings are listed in that link.

You and other skeptics here must understand that treasure is not everywhere and quite possibly is somewhere else other than where it is tought. If there ain't any treasure the device simply won't detect. Does it make it a scam? Gimme a break...
We al know what you and others think about LRLs. Note that I said 'THINK' because you are not a user.

I have long quit joining empty discussions as yours above simply because I got fed up and realized it would lead to nowhere. So please, don't interfere on the attempt of us owners to help each other. I could have privately emailed Michael, but I decided to answer him here so other users can possibly benefit.

Thanks.

[Carl-NC]

You dont own any Mineoro detector, so you don't have the slightest clue or credit to make a coment about it.

I own one... wanna hear my comments about it?

- Carl

[hung]

I own one... wanna hear my comments about it?

- Carl

Provided that you list your records of expeditions, field research, ground covered, regions researched, method of research, dates, and results I would like to hear yes.

But I doubt you would meet even a few requirements above due to your regular job which has nothing to do with TH and your notorious reputation spread all over forums like this one.

I'm aware that many ionic detector users still have not found anything so what?
Does this mean the detector is a scam???!!
You already know my thoughts.
The link I provided covers one of the many users I know who were sucessful.
In the end it's all a matter of time.

[Carl-NC]

Provided that you list your records of expeditions, field research, ground covered, regions researched, method of research, dates, and results I would like to hear yes.

But I doubt you would meet even a few requirements above due to your regular job which has nothing to do with TH and your notorious reputation spread all over forums like this one.

I see... sounds like only full-time professional treasure hunters are qualified.

So tell me, Hung... is there any kind of test, at all, that can be done with the FG80, that will demonstrably and convincingly show it will detect gold?

If I test it with 10 ounces of fresh gold, it does nothing. If I test it with 3-1/2 year buried gold, it does nothing. Yet it seems to be quite good at picking up multipath RF.

Please suggest a test that will convince me this thing is not a scam.

- Carl