Advanced LRL from U.S.A

[Qiaozhi]

Although I don't find most LRL's to be as they are advertised, I have experienced some sort reaction from most every LRL I have field tested.

Yes - a bad one - in the wallet.

Carl, on the other hand claims none of them work at all, at the same time other people experience success in their use. Certainly, any intelligent person should wonder why he would try to contridict fact?

Other people "think" they have achieved success in their use. That's a different thing altogether. Self delusion and objective reporting is not a result.

This is not rocket science technology.

That's certainly true - it's not rocket science - it's pseudoscience.

Any idiot can take a few screws loose, open up an LRL, take a picture, and claim it can't possibly work. Even me. It requires no knowledge of the subject or field experience of any kind. Just an agenda.

That's also true, but in this case it's not the idiots who are taking them apart to expose a scam, it's the idiots who are building these devices in the first place.

Until Carl, conducts extensive field testing of the products he reports about, he is being dis-honest. Unfortunately, being untruthful is a habitual way of life for Carl. He appears unable to help himself.

Actually you have very recently been given the opportunity to prove Carl wrong, but you wimped out of attending "The Treasure Expo" in August.

Carl's, own ficticous claims ranks along side the ficticous, or exaggerated advertising claims made by some LRL manufacturers. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Aah! So which LRL claims are not fictitious? Let me guess .... those of Dell Winders?

Yes, it would be nice if there was an unbiased, non-prejudiced scientist that was conducting actual field studies based on fact, and NOT on assumption, or using a cheap advertising gimmick challenge to promote themselves and their agenda.

All scientists are biased. That's why double blind testing is used extensively in real science, and not objective evidence and selective amnesia.

Regretably, there are no real Scientist conducting LRL studies. Only untruthful scientific Pretenders. Dell

Not any more. There are many reports on dowsing and LRLs which prove conclusively they do not work. Why would any real scientist want to carry out such a test? It certainly wouldn't be to enhance his reputation.

[Dell Winders]

Are you Carl?

[Qiaozhi]

Are you Carl?

No. Are you?

[hung]

But he has never demonstrated any Mineoro machine working to recover treasures

What for?

in front of consumers who would like to see them work before buying one.

I'm not a dealer, so what's the point?

People like Hung are either LRL manufacturers or associated with LRL manufacturers,

I told many times I'm not. I just praise a working LRL, in this case the one I own. If I ever suceed with another one, I'll praise it too.

Hung has posted in this forum that his team does testing for the Mineoro factory.

Show me this post.

While LRLs don't locate treasure as advertised,

The one I own sure does. Although I agree that advertising in all business levels due to capitalism has a bit of exageration.
I can't speak for other LRLs but the one I use, detects the phenomena which in turn leads to the target. Sometimes detection is no good. Most of the time it is.

[Carl-NC]

Carl, on the other hand claims none of them work at all, at the same time other people experience success in their use. Certainly, any intelligent person should wonder why he would try to contridict fact?

I claim they do not work the way they are advertised, intended*, or believed to work. But even "psychics" occassionally make correct guesses and, likewise, every once in a while someone using an LRL finds something. I don't deny this at all.

Dell, if you have any convictions whatsoever, come to the Treasure Expo and meet with me. I've privately & publically offered a guarantee of civility and respect, and would love to actually talk to you about this. I will also have some demonstrators that I think you would find interesting, and which are capable of providing hard evidence that "signal lines" don't exist. If you really believe in what you have been saying all these years, then you have nothing to fear in talking to me.

- Carl

*Unless the intent is simply to sell them.

[Morris_jo]

You don't want a Long range metal detector. You want vodoo. For this try their forum.

What LRL you have ? Name it : ? , I think it`s the mineoro scam !!!

Vodoo or magic: i think you are not aware of what you are talking about,i had experience with some in this field, you will never imagine what they able to do, only one member in this forum know what i am talking about !


You may be lucky there and win as a bounus a device which will also dig for you outside while you remain at home watching Indiana Jones DVDs.

May be i can win a real LRL, while watching you digging a trash objetcs with your FG80 ....... !


You show all your inexperience in the sentence above.

You might change your name:"Hung the Expert" or ... what ever you like...



First it's not the manufacturers who find gold, It's the users who work hard in the field for this to happen.

You are wrong here, a company or manfacture which made any kind of MDs, must show their test fields to the public! what do they have to loose ?!!




Also take my word. Detection is the easiest part of all. Digging and recovery depending on the location (which most of the time has terrible conditions) is the important part and don't even compare in terms of EXTREME difficulty and hard work. Or you think the people who hid their values placed this on a tray ready to be delivered?

The real talks here: i know what difficulties you are talking about, you must know we work in any locations we put our hands on .

We don`t search in open lands, it`s not the good luck we looking for !




Add to this, treasure found in private lands, trouble to deal with the owner, discovery leaked attracting people to the site AND the high possibility of bandits shows up which would involve violence, etc. and etc. and etc.

even the valued places, we set and talks to the owner, and take their permissions with a solid agreement.

I don`t know what violence you had faced, for my own experiment i had twice guns shoot ...


Yes. We must be careful.
Maybe we have fake jobs, a fake house, a fake wife... Hey we might even be 'fakes' too..

Good point, don`t forget FAKE AND SCAM LRL !!!!



I really think you would experience enough amusing just by reading treasure hunting books. Not 'living' it by yourself.

Sure, so you are the expert here Hung !!, every T.H learns more every day, it`s opened universe, no limits at all ....


'Many are called. But only a few chosen'. (thank God)

The chosen one: i don`t think we are in a church right now!!


Finally: most of your post, replys and even the arguments indicates that may be you are assigned by Mineoro to be: a LRL Lawyer .
Regards.

Best Regards

[hung]

I claim they do not work the way they are advertised, intended*, or believed to work. But even "psychics" occassionally make correct guesses and, likewise, every once in a while someone using an LRL finds something. I don't deny this at all.

Hey, this is new !
So you begin to change your mind?

which are capable of providing hard evidence that "signal lines" don't exist. .

http://www.rangertell.com/siggfgnalline.htm

Signal lines mostly are results from the resonance equivalent of Inverse Faraday Effect (magnetization by a circularly polarized electromagnetic field). NMR for instance, is the resonance equivalent of magnetization by a permanent magnet. In both cases resonance occurs between the spin states of the Pauli matrix.

[J_Player]

My original post:
Hung makes a lot of talk about how well the Mineoro and other LRL machines work, But he has never demonstrated any Mineoro machine working to recover treasures in front of consumers who would like to see them work before buying one.

Hung's reply to what I posted:

What for?
I'm not a dealer, so what's the point?

There is no reason you should demonstrate a Mineoro machine retrieving treasure. In fact it is very important that you never attempt to demonstrate a Mineoro device, in order to prevent people from discovering that you are not able to locate treasure with it. There are a few suckers who still believe the unprovable stories you tell in this forum. And if you were to actually attempt to demonstrate a Mineoro machine locating treasure, these last followers would join the rest of the forum in their laughter.


My original post:
People like Hung and Dell winders are either LRL manufacturers or associated with LRL manufacturers, and have a vested interest in convincing people to pay money for these machines.

Hung's reply to what I posted:

I told many times I'm not.

I have never heard you say you are not associated with a LRL manufacturer. In fact I read a number of posts you made where you associate yourself with Damasio, the designer and builder of the Mineoro LRLs. You also associated yourself with Myron Evans, and went on to attempt to defend the inventor of "alleged" free energy from a vacum like Bearden, and also the concept of spiritists dematerializing, psychics who bend spoons, Hutchinson, Cathie, Flamarion, TT Brown, etc.

Judging by the amount of work you did testing and posting about the Mineoro LRLs, It seems quite obvious you have a vested interest in the Mineoro machines, and are associated with the manufacturer as you have demonstrated in your previous posts in this forum. That is assuming that you were not lying to us when you talked about the long conversations with Damasio, and visits to the Mineoro factory, and field testing done with Damasio.

[Qiaozhi]

Hey, this is new !
So you begin to change your mind?

When I read Carl's post, the message was quite clear. i.e. LRL users will sometimes get lucky by sheer guesswork. It's a statistical phenomenon. But obviously this was not clear enough for someone with a psudoscientific bias.
Try again Hung.... next time even you might get lucky.

http://www.rangertell.com/siggfgnalline.htm

Signal lines mostly are results from the resonance equivalent of Inverse Faraday Effect (magnetization by a circularly polarized electromagnetic field). NMR for instance, is the resonance equivalent of magnetization by a permanent magnet. In both cases resonance occurs between the spin states of the Pauli matrix.

Complete gibberish.

[Dell Winders]

Dell, if you have any convictions whatsoever, come to the Treasure Expo and meet with me. I've privately & publically offered a guarantee of civility and respect, and would love to actually talk to you about this. I will also have some demonstrators that I think you would find interesting, and which are capable of providing hard evidence that "signal lines" don't exist. If you really believe in what you have been saying all these years, then you have nothing to fear in talking to me.

- Carl

*Unless the intent is simply to sell them.

Carl, if you are so interested in my attending THE,you can pay for my room and expenses. That's $500. Dell

[hung]

My original post:
Hung makes a lot of talk about how well the Mineoro and other LRL machines work, But he has never demonstrated any Mineoro machine working to recover treasures in front of consumers who would like to see them work before buying one.

Hung's reply to what I posted:


There is no reason you should demonstrate a Mineoro machine retrieving treasure. In fact it is very important that you never attempt to demonstrate a Mineoro device, in order to prevent people from discovering that you are not able to locate treasure with it. There are a few suckers who still believe the unprovable stories you tell in this forum. And if you were to actually attempt to demonstrate a Mineoro machine locating treasure, these last followers would join the rest of the forum in their laughter.


My original post:
People like Hung and Dell winders are either LRL manufacturers or associated with LRL manufacturers, and have a vested interest in convincing people to pay money for these machines.

Hung's reply to what I posted:


I have never heard you say you are not associated with a LRL manufacturer. In fact I read a number of posts you made where you associate yourself with Damasio, the designer and builder of the Mineoro LRLs. You also associated yourself with Myron Evans, and went on to attempt to defend the inventor of "alleged" free energy from a vacum like Bearden, and also the concept of spiritists dematerializing, psychics who bend spoons, Hutchinson, Cathie, Flamarion, TT Brown, etc.

Judging by the amount of work you did testing and posting about the Mineoro LRLs, It seems quite obvious you have a vested interest in the Mineoro machines, and are associated with the manufacturer as you have demonstrated in your previous posts in this forum. That is assuming that you were not lying to us when you talked about the long conversations with Damasio, and visits to the Mineoro factory, and field testing done with Damasio.

Let's be objective. You failed to show me the post I supposedly say I do field tests for Mineoro. Where is it?

[hung]

Complete gibberish.

That's exactly what a 10 year old kid would say.
Is your age 10 also?

[Carl-NC]

Carl, if you are so interested in my attending THE,you can pay for my room and expenses. That's $500. Dell

When Don offered to pay for your room, that was at MY request, with MY money. I will still pay for your room. I might even buy you dinner. I will not pay you $500.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

That's exactly what a 10 year old kid would say.
Is your age 10 also?

That must have hurt. You are obviously lost for an intelligent answer.

Pseudoscientific gobbledygook doesn't impress me one iota. Anyone can write gibberish and pass it off as real science. Sometimes naive people will post this crap on an LRL manufacturer's website, even when it was written "tongue in cheek" by a skeptic.
Hmmm... I wonder who that could have been?????

[hung]

That must have hurt. You are obviously lost for an intelligent answer.

Pseudoscientific gobbledygook doesn't impress me one iota. Anyone can write gibberish and pass it off as real science. Sometimes naive people will post this crap on an LRL manufacturer's website, even when it was written "tongue in cheek" by a skeptic.
Hmmm... I wonder who that could have been?????

What I stated in that post is not 'pseudoscience' as you say. It's common physics. And you definitely should know that if If you REALLY have physics background and did not skip classes. But as you show you ignore it, too bad. Limitations hurt sometimes.
This only reinforces my intention of not wasting my time here talking about this with people like you.