Bickel detector

[Seden]

Carl,

I would also be interested in your circuit. Meanwhile I've won off ebay some fairly strong radioactive rocks that I plan on using for the Compton scattering with my lowly Gamma detector. I'm going to connect up my O'scope to the output to see if there's a pulse differance between gold and any other metal. Trying to duplicate Armin Bickels machine if you will. If you have any suggestions along these lines I sure would like to hear it as I am not an engineer.

Randy Seden

[Seden]

Strength of my Uranium

Carl,

The Uranium Phosphate Hydrate is rated at 32,000 CPM. The plan is to have the uranium and the sensor on the same plane and have the gold in the middle and below so as to reflect the gamma rays to the sensor and look at the audio output on my scope to see if there's any differance in the pulse width of gold to nickel to silver,etc.
I sure would like to know what kind of "signature" Armin Bickel was looking at,any ideas?

[Carl-NC]

I sure would like to know what kind of "signature" Armin Bickel was looking at,any ideas?

No idea...

[J_Player]

Hi Seden. It looks like you have a good start in isotope detection. I can give you some ideas about the signatures Doctor Bickel was looking at:

Doctor Bickel did not artificially irradiate his targets. He was sensing gamma waves that emanate from gold under the ground as it decays due to reactions to naturally occurring radiation sources. Gold has several radioisotopes that emit gamma radiation in extremely small amounts. He designed his machines to detect minute traces of the stable gold nuclide 79Au196. His machine was not a simple Geiger counter. His approach in his later designs was to try to ignore the unwanted gamma waves and only look at the gold signature, or silver, copper or whatever other mineral he was looking for. He accomplished this by using methods similar to gamma spectroscopy. Since each element has it's own unique signature that can be seen using gamma spectroscopy, it is possible to differentiate between different elements using this technique. This signature is usually printed as a graph, then compared to the graphs of known elements to identify what you found. But Doctor Bickel used electronics to look at the spectrum sensed rather than printing an image.
You can see some sample graphs of signatures for elements that are sensed with gamma spectroscopy on this page about half way down the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_spectroscopy

Bickel also used electronics to filter out the unwanted signals he was not interested in seeing. Remember, he was looking at extremely small amounts of gamma from deeply buried targets, and interference was always a very big problem making false readings etc. He was only able to overcome the noise and interference by using the highest grade mil-spec components, and very detailed calibration methods. With todays technology, most of the signal processing could be automated, but still there would be noise and interference problems because of the extremely minute amounts of target radiation he was detecting amidst the much larger background radiation.

In order to build a practical sensor as he had, you would start with a scintillator crystal and a photomultiplier housed in a lead tube that is open at one end. The scintillator crystal will make a faint flash of light when a gamma or alpha wave enters it. The photomultiplier will amplify this flash and convert it to an electronic signal that can be processed with electronic circuits. The signals that come from the photomultiplier can be processed to ignore the signatures you are not interested in, and to add a count to the counter when you get a signal from the element you are looking for.

The secret to success in building one of these machines is to use a high quality crystal and appropriate photomultiplier, and to accurately calibrate your electronics to recognize the signatures you are looking for. But it is equally important to understand the geology under the ground, and to know how the geological structures will influence the arrival of gamma waves to your detector.

Bickel's detectors have never been useful for locating a nugget or ring that I know of. They are better for locating large ore bodies or oil deposits.

Doctor Bickel's long range detectors are different than any other LRL in three ways:
1. They don't contain any hot-melt glue.
2. They are built entirely from understandable electronics and physical parts that any electronics engineer can understand and duplicate if he has a mind to.
3. His detectors can be demonstrated finding large deposits of ore in front of engineers and scientists as well as any other witnesses, and all agree: "it sure can find ore".

Hope this helps

[Carl-NC]

Randy, I decided to pull all this out to its own thread...

[Seden]

Thank You!

Carl,
Thank you very much for doing that. With J Players explanation I can now set a course and start saving up for the parts. I have seen those crystals on ebay from reputible sources for a reasonable price. I also seem to remember one of the electronic surplus houses selling them too along with the photo-multiplier tubes.
Once I achieve isolating the gamma signature for gold I certainly would like to use stacking to achieve a better signal to noise ratio-but don't know if it's possible and at what stage in the receiver chain.
Boy, what a breath of fresh air to at last know of a purely scientific method of detecting gold at a distance.

Thanks gentlemen! I hope others on this forum will join me in making a Bickel gamma-spectrometer so we can help each other.

Randy Seden

Hey who knows,maybe Damasio and Alonso might make me an offer!

[hung]

Once I achieve isolating the gamma signature for gold I certainly would like to use stacking to achieve a better signal to noise ratio-but don't know if it's possible and at what stage in the receiver chain.

Gamma signatures are unstable and require lots of hard work. Although it might work, there are more practical methods of achieving what you want.
There are several methods to long range gold locating. Mineoro is just a proven one (by me), alhtough it requires weather and nature cooperation sometimes.
Anyway I wish you luck.

Hey who knows,maybe Damasio and Alonso might make me an offer!

Don't blame other people if you can't locate gold...

[Seden]

Talk to me Hung

Ok Hung you've got my undivided attention and I would like to know the ways you have found that work. A schematic would be good but I can work from a description just fine.

Thank you for your help,

Randy

[hung]

Randy,

You can research gamma rays at will. I'm not saying it will not work. If this bickel machine supposedly did work, I'm not the one who will state it won't. But gamma rays as you know are unstable and difficult to deal with. But if you feel you can do it, please do it . I wish you all sucess as I said.

What I'm doing right now is slowly buiding up a working group here which will deal with (in my opinion) the most useful and practical way of long range detection. It involves frequencies. Although the Mineoros work great, the ionic/electrostatic phenomena itself suffer influence of weather. For instance in rainy days, there's not sufficient ionic fields if any to be detectable. This makes research in a region where is raining, longer, as the researcher has to wait for a good weather.

So I decided to 'lay on the table' all data I have from what I know about frequencies, EM, etc. Together with great scientific minds here, I plan to develop a LRL system based on this. The technology involves filtering frequencies which are signatures of the substance to be detected.
This LRL however will be for personal use and will not be sold in case of sucess.
Regards.

[Seden]

Excellant Hung!

Hung,

I really appreciate your openess with me. I am encouraged by what you are working on and wish you the best. It's kinda like were all in a research lab,each with their own assignment.
For now I'm going to stick with highlighting the dirt with Gamma Rays since I don't own one of those expensive/sensitive units and there is no reason why I shouldn't get the same results as Bickel's passive system from what I've read on Compton Scattering.

I got the literature on the "KM 4000" LRL yesterday and it claims to detect gold silver and diamonds up to 2000 meters away wth it's antenna. What I find interesting is the operation frequency given as 10hz-10khz. It has a 1 year warranty and is made in Argentina.

Would be kinda fun if you lived close to New York and contacted the sales division for a demonstration.

Randy

[Seden]

Excellant explanation of Bickels method

After much searching I found the explanation of the Gamma "Signature" that Bickel used. Goto:www.llnl.gov/str/September03/Becker.html

Ain't science wonderful?

Randy

[hung]

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[hung]

Hi Randy,

Thanks for posting the link to that gamma ray device. Well, trough what I've read it is a step ahead as a portable unit, although it does not detect long range. You would have to get closer to the target. Add to this the fact that long time buried gold might be a little different in emitting gamma signatures as it would probably emit unexpected charges which could or could not confuse the radioisotopes detection. Anyway, if you ever put your hands on a device like that, report back your impressions. I think it could be modified to meet other requirements.

About the KM 4000, how you got the literature on it? If it was by mail, would you mind in emailing me a scanned version for instance?

I believe this device is based on the examiner from Rangertell, only it appears to have more 'acessories'. Is it swivel mounted as well?
The examiner works by aligning the antenna with the supposed signal line resonant frequency the target emits once the same frequency is met. In my view, in either case it is a broadcast transmission. And this can be traced and amplitude enhanced.
Sorry, I don't live close to NY but if you lived here in Brazil I would invite you to join my research group.

Thanks and regards.

[sammyfig]

armin bickel

hi, my name is sammy figueroa, i was a friend of armin bickel, i would like to know if his family still is around because im diong a dacumentary on him, about new science and dowsing, does anybody know where or who is swlling armin bickel machines, please let me know,i am a film maker and musician, thans sammy

[sammyfig]

armin bickel

hi, my name is sammy figueroa, i was a friend of armin bickel, i would like to know if his family still is around because im diong a dacumentary on him, about new science and dowsing, does anybody know where or who is swlling armin bickel machines, please let me know,i am a film maker and musician, thans sammy