Bickel detector

[sammyfig]

armin bickel

hi, my name is sammy figueroa, i was a friend of armin bickel, i would like to know if his family still is around because im filming a dacumentary on him, about new science and dowsing, does anybody know where or who is selling armin bickel ditectors, please let me know,i am a film maker and musician, thanks sammy

[Elie]

What did I miss?

[sammyfig]

armin bickel

hi ellie, is there any way to speak to you, sammy

[Elie]

You can send me a message.

[sammyfig]

bickel detector

hi , i just wanted to know if i can speak to you about my documentary about armin bickel, im trying ti find any family member to talk too, sammy

[Max]

After much searching I found the explanation of the Gamma "Signature" that Bickel used. Goto:www.llnl.gov/str/September03/Becker.html

Ain't science wonderful?

Randy

Hi Randy,
I think it's a good way. You need some photomultiplier tube e.g. Photonics or something like that, with Gamma scintillator too (small disk made of germanium etc). The approach of llnl is for hi-resolution and too difficault to homebrew...at least for a middle range hobbyst. Don't know if you could made one of these 90kelvin stuff but if you can would be even better.
Now you can find many tubes e.g. on ebay and from some surplus dealers in south california too...very cheap stuff and nice to experimenting with.

Problem could be that too low emission is from a target due to the absence of right Au-isothopes or you need to point device on something then giving time (hours) to collect data.

Anyway, this seems a good project maybe not for treasures but for right ores locating!

Best regards,
Max

[Elie]

Anyway, this seems a good project maybe not for treasures but for right ores locating!

That is the point which everyone seems to have missed. It has been claimed on this forum that this device is proof that "long range locators" actually work, and that it is possible to sense a very small mass of gold (or other substance) miles away. Even if "long range locators" worked (and they do not work), it would be similar to claiming that some metal detector could sense a single coin dozens of feet underground. There are metal detectors which can sense objects which are as small as coins, and there are metal detectors (with large coils) which can sense large objects dozens of feet underground, but no metal detector can sense an object as small as a coin dozens of feet underground. Similarly, Bickel's device is not a "long range locator," as it is for finding large mineral deposits, not anything as small as a cache of coins.

[J_Player]

Some Facts

I think it's a good way. You need some photomultiplier tube e.g. Photonics or something like that, with Gamma scintillator too (small disk made of germanium etc). The approach of llnl is for hi-resolution and too difficault to homebrew...at least for a middle range hobbyst. Don't know if you could made one of these 90kelvin stuff but if you can would be even better.
Now you can find many tubes e.g. on ebay and from some surplus dealers in south california too...very cheap stuff and nice to experimenting with.

Problem could be that too low emission is from a target due to the absence of right Au-isothopes or you need to point device on something then giving time (hours) to collect data.

Anyway, this seems a good project maybe not for treasures but for right ores locating!

Best regards,
Max

The isotope detectors built by Dr. Bickel did not use Germanium sensors or any cooling. Gold and other common metals have a very easily recognizable signature without the need for a high resolution of a germanium scintillator crystal. His detectors were true long distance locators for large ore bodies as well as bodies of underground water and oil. These detectors were never intended to find a single coin or even a large cache of metal. They are best suited to pinpoint large deposits of ore, like a a 20-ton deposit of copper ore for example, up to 5000 feet deep. There is no need to wait a long time to collect samples. These detectors are commonly used to survey an area of land from a small airplane flying in a grid pattern, or from a car driving in a grid pattern. In addition, the operator of this ion detector needs to be familiar with the way the subterranean geology will influence and skew the readings if he wants to be able to accurately interpret the results.

The web page link shows a different variety of isotope sensor that is optimized to give very high resolution for identifying elements used in explosives. While this technology is different than the Bickel machines, the final stage of spectral analysis is very similar. The Bickel detectors also generate an output that can be charted similar to the chart on the web page, but without the fine resolution. If you were to draw a line to show the curve without the sawtooth fluctuations, it is what the Bickel detectors are sensing. There is more than enough information in this lower resolution curve to easily identify the common minerals like copper, gold, silver etc. The only difficult part of building a homebrew version is to calibrate the electronics to recognize the isotope that you are looking for. This requires an oscilloscope and samples that have been irradiated to put out large amounts of known signatures to calibrate it against (the irradiated samples can be omitted if you have a table that specifies the signature so you can calibrate the electronics). It is also important to use a high quality scintillator crystal and photomultiplier tube in order to sense the low level natural gamma radiation. Keep in mind, if you build one of these machines, you should not expect to find nuggets or treasure chests full of metal objects, only larger ore bodies, water and oil.

Hope this helps
J_Player

[robert]

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*Notable isotopes of Gold
*Au(195) (116 neutrons)
Abundance: synthetic
Half life: 180.10 days {Electron capture}
Decay energy: 0.227MeV
Decays: 195pt.
*Au(196) (117 neutrons)
Abundance: synthetic
Half life: 6.183 days {Electron capture}
Decay energy: 1.506MeV
Decays: 196pt.
Half life:6.183 days (beta")
Decay energy:0.686MeV
Decay to Hg(196).
*Au(197) (118 neutrons)
Abundance: 100%
Stable with 118 neutrons
*Au(19 (119 neutrons)
Abundance: synthetic
Half life: 2.69517 (beta")
Decay energy: 1.372MeV
Decays to Hg(19
*Au(199) (120 neutrons)
Abundance: synthetic
Half life: 3.169 days {beta"}
Decay energy: 0.453MeV
Decays to Hg(199).

Gold is usually found in veins in the crust,with copper ore and natively.
Pure gold is too soft for ordinary use and is hardened by alloying
with silver,copper and other metals.
So are those alloys with different preferences than pure gold?
How about,if we just try to imagine REAL NATURAL CONDITIONS? How many elements mixed up
in the ground?
How many isotopes in "runing" half lives at that moment? How about overall radiation at
that very moment? What is with all other natural causes at that very moment?
Radio ways,interferences,hums,moisture...natural radiation????
How about sun rays radiation? Ha,ha,ha!!! If you farth at that moment, it can radiate also!
"...It involves frequencies..."
So you mentioned frequency.....Ha,ha,ha,ha!!!! Hung you must be great joker!? Or the biggest
crackpot i ever seen so far!?
Please dont even try to argue with me on this! I am dealing with frequencies all my life.
I am professional on that field, doing that for living...Just shut up about radio ways and
frequencies....just shut up, please!
Have you ever heard about NMR??? Just google arround and try to learn something....
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT,HERE, PEOPLE??? ARE YOU AWARED OF IMPOSSIBILLITY DOING THAT YOU'VE
TALKING ABOUT?
Custom LRL (gamma)......my ***! Never happened, not possible! Only charlatans and naives are
thinking that way! Crackpots also!
Oh, yes! You can detect gamma rays in especially prepared conditions, to aprox. distinguish
its origin.....let's say from gold....Yes! I agree. But only in experimental, already prepared
conditions...and NOT AT LONG RANGE AT ALL!
Again hung with his theories!? Again mineoro??? Again "secret" scientific principles?
Oh man! I am going to jump from nearest clif, to kill my self!
Good bye life!
P.S.
If St.Peter ask me why i killed myself, i am gonna put all guilts to this lrl nonsences...
Than i can suggest him to take Minelab or Fisher or White's or Garrett or any other
REAL detector
and we can go prospecting heaven....at least no lrl'st there...

[robert]

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????? Dont know why this stupid engine put this stupid smiley instead number 8...?????


Carl, what is this about?

Any way to type number 8 without ???

[ivconic]

Glavonjo, zasto se ne javljas bre?
Javi se na mail...
Pozdrav!

[Seden]

Say what?

Du kennst Ivonic, manchmal verstehe ich gerade dich nicht.

[ivconic]

Traurig, wurde es an Robert gerichtet ...

Respekt!

[Max]

????? Dont know why this stupid engine put this stupid smiley instead number 8...?????


Carl, what is this about?

Any way to type number 8 without ???

Hi robert,
maybe that was a smiley...ehm
it happens when an '8' char is followed by a round closed brace ')'.
First time I saw that I said "what the hell is..." but now I'm close to a solution


HERE IS THE PROOF:

WITH SPACE BETWEEN 8 )
WITHOUT SPACE BETWEEN

So the engine is not so stupid...maybe you can escape that pearl with some escape sequence .

Anyway, I think it means a short form for
8 - ) that is "i have googles up"

So is "I have GOOGIES" ???

Best regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi robert,

AFTER A LOT OF SEARCH , FINALLY, A SOLUTION WAS FOUND

check the "[] Disable smilies in text" checkbox
in "Additional options" panel
just before push "Submit" button



Isn't it easy ???

Best regards,
Max